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Ira Kin Mayaki	Posted - 2011.02.25 20:35:00 - [1] Hi, Is it wise to use a ship like a cruiser or other frig to scan down mission sites and use it to loot and salvage the wrecks? I am using heron at the moment for its bonuses but I can only fit 1 salvager on it which takes too much time to salvage the wreck... I was thinking about using like a cruiser like a stabber or scythe to fit expanded probe launcher and number of salvagers on it as well as some probe scan strength rigs. I know you can use a destroyer to fly in but I dont want to waste too much time flying to the station and changing ships... I want 1 ship to scan and ninja salvage...
Arien Moyna Caldari Shadow Veil Industrial	Posted - 2011.02.25 22:42:00 - [2] Get Salvaging to 5 and use Salvager II + one or two salvage tackles?
Loraine Gess	Posted - 2011.02.25 23:21:00 - [3] Here you go, lol [Tengu, the funniest ninja salvager] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Large Shield Extender II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I Salvager II Salvager II Salvager II Salvager II Salvager II Salvager II Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Julia Venatrix	Posted - 2011.02.25 23:57:00 - [4] [Reaper, Ninja, yet Lame] Nanofiber Internal Structure I 1MN Afterburner I Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Salvager I This really ****es people off. What are they going to do, shoot you? --- Some days you are the pigeon, and some the statue.
Loraine Gess	Posted - 2011.02.26 00:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Julia Venatrix [Reaper, Ninja, yet Lame] Nanofiber Internal Structure I 1MN Afterburner I Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Salvager I This really ****es people off. What are they going to do, shoot you? Yeah you'd know since you can totally probe people out with that fit...
Ferisko Egivand	Posted - 2011.02.26 02:26:00 - [6] The most effective way is to have two ships. One for scanning: astrometrics frigate like Probe will do. One for salvaging: a fast frig with sufficient High slots (Vigil is the best choice here). Both can be fitted without much investment and still be very effective at their job. Find your target with your scan ship, bookmark location, dock, switch to your salvage ship and go collect :)
NovaCat13 Gallente Cepheid Industries	Posted - 2011.02.26 07:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Ferisko Egivand The most effective way is to have two ships. One for scanning: astrometrics frigate like Probe will do. One for salvaging: a fast frig with sufficient High slots (Vigil is the best choice here). Both can be fitted without much investment and still be very effective at their job. Find your target with your scan ship, bookmark location, dock, switch to your salvage ship and go collect :) Yeah that's what I do too, Imicus rigged for scanning and Catalyst with 10MN AB for ~MWD speeds and 8 salvager IIs really eats up wrecks. Though can't really chase down a wreck being tractored by a marauder, but if you can keep up with it for a few seconds 1 of those salvagers usually can nab it before the missioner can reel it in
Ira Kin Mayaki	Posted - 2011.02.26 14:12:00 - [8] Originally by: NovaCat13 Yeah that's what I do too, Imicus rigged for scanning and Catalyst with 10MN AB for ~MWD speeds and 7 salvager Is really eats up wrecks (I use a slot for cloak to sit and watch). Though can't really chase down a wreck being tractored by a marauder, but if you can keep up with it for a few seconds 1 of those salvagers usually can nab it before the missioner can reel it in Yeah I just got myself a kestrel with 4 salvagers and AB... lost a cormorant yesterday to a paladin. Marauders are being quite the pain the ass when trying to ninja salvage :P as well these new Noctis ships are pain as well... Seems like CCP actually is doing something to prevent ninja salvaging.
Solomar Espersei Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.02.26 22:38:00 - [9] Nah, they're just making it more interesting in terms of the ships a ninja gets on his KB. Noctis are an awesome development and as a result, more mission runners care about their loot and salvage again. Getting the Noctis to turn red is the tricksy part. Best practices for MOST ninja work as outlined above: Scan for Mission Runners in a fully kitted scan frig w/ 2X Grav rigs and sisters gear unitl you can upgrade to a proper Cov Ops frig. Collect hits for 5 minutes or so. Swap to your ninja frigate (Vigil or Drami are far and away the best for normal work) or ninja cruiser (stabber, SFI, Cyna) and go from hit to hit 'til you find one worth harvesting. Take everything that isn't nailed down or on fire. Ninja Extravaganza, Strategies for Ninja Salvagers
Cerneus Sick Tight Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.02.27 03:01:00 - [10] Proper ninja cruiser has the probe launcher mounted. No need to loose time switching ships. Proper ninja cruiser is (in most cases) quite hard to instapop too. Screw frigates, use cruisers!
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2011.02.27 04:28:00 - [11] Edited by: Mr Kidd on 27/02/2011 04:32:26 Originally by: Ira Kin Mayaki Hi, Is it wise to use a ship like a cruiser or other frig to scan down mission sites and use it to loot and salvage the wrecks? I am using heron at the moment for its bonuses but I can only fit 1 salvager on it which takes too much time to salvage the wreck... I was thinking about using like a cruiser like a stabber or scythe to fit expanded probe launcher and number of salvagers on it as well as some probe scan strength rigs. I know you can use a destroyer to fly in but I dont want to waste too much time flying to the station and changing ships... I want 1 ship to scan and ninja salvage... Some things you need to consider: The majority of salvage is in large wrecks. The majority of loot value is split fairly evenly between large and medium wrecks save for the coveted Arbalest Heavy Missile Launcher. Set the way-back machine to before Tyrannis expansion, before the large wreck loot nerfs. At the time I was a ninja salvager/looter. I could net 300mil/week with about 2 hours a day. The trick was to probe out only level 4 missions and salvage/loot only the large wrecks. Using a cruiser to fulfill both the probing and salvaging/looting roles was ideal even if the ship was slow compared to a frigate capable of +2000m/s speeds. The cargo space saved on trips back to station to offload. After the loot nerfs I saw my income drop over half, significantly enough to decide to do something else. The effects of the loot nerf was 2 fold. 1) to limit the amount of valuable large wreck mod drops and 2) to devalue the large wreck loot that did drop since CCP made previously coveted meta4 items drop with increased frequency. At present, I do not believe looting is viable for maximizing profit because of the low frequency of large loot drops. However, considering that most of the salvage value in a mission is still in the large wrecks you'd be wise focus only on the large wrecks. Because it's only salvage, all you need is a fast frigate fitted to handle the task as quickly as possible. The only mission sites worth salvaging, IMO are drone missions. So, it may be handy to have a cruiser salvager at a local station ready to fly. Of course, my perspective is that I could never make as much as I did before the loot nerfs. It may well be worth your effort to loot and salvage large wrecks. But I still believe, that if you ninja focusing on the large wrecks and level 4 missions is the way to do it for maximal profit. As for the ship, if you're going to loot a cruiser would be beneficial in two aspects. 1) You can fit enough salvagers and an expanded probe launcher thereby saving you time switching ships between a prober and salvager and 2) It'll give you decent cargo space saving you time with having to go back to station to offload. Another trick is to park GSC somewhere in space and anchor them and use them for quick offloads saving docking/undocking times. If you decide to only salvage and not loot a one ship option is a T2 frigate. I used to use a Nemesis to both salvage and fit an expanded probe launcher. I would probe more sites as I salvaged ;)

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