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Lady ISK'Alot	Posted - 2011.02.26 16:54:00 - [1] Hi, is evading a war now not classified as an exploit? Let me explain. Corp A declares war on CORP 1 CORP 1's members leave. Closing the Corp in the process. CORP 1's previous members now create CORP 2. Corp A declares war on CORP 2. CORP 2's Members leave. Closing the corp in the process. IIRC This used to be classified as an exploit. It was petitioned and apparently its allowed.
Shoopa Whoopa	Posted - 2011.02.26 16:59:00 - [2] It's allowed and commonly considered 'admitting defeat'. Unless it's a one man corp or the like, then it's called 'choosing the sensitive way out'.
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2011.02.26 17:06:00 - [3] Originally by: Shoopa Whoopa It's allowed and commonly considered 'admitting defeat'. Confirmed it's a legitimate way to evade wars. ...........................................
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.26 17:07:00 - [4] Congrats OP, you won two wars! How about a third?
Tyburn Stannis Caldari Xenon Salvage Inc.	Posted - 2011.02.26 17:39:00 - [5] I think it's still an exploit if they all leave except for one minimally skilled alt as CEO (thus preserving the corp assets and identity) whilst all running away to safety for the duration of the war and all come back the minute it's over?
Lady ISK'Alot	Posted - 2011.02.26 17:42:00 - [6] They all left on every declaration. Created new one and did the same over again.
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2011.02.26 18:00:00 - [7] Originally by: Tyburn Stannis I think it's still an exploit if they all leave except for one minimally skilled alt as CEO (thus preserving the corp assets and identity) whilst all running away to safety for the duration of the war and all come back the minute it's over? Apparently it isn't. Keep in mind that things like corp offices, POS and other corp stuff are all disabled by this. For advanced corporations it's a serious blow, it's just newbie corps that can do this without any practical consequences.
Shoopa Whoopa	Posted - 2011.02.26 18:00:00 - [8] Edited by: Shoopa Whoopa on 26/02/2011 18:01:34 Originally by: Tyburn Stannis I think it's still an exploit if they all leave except for one minimally skilled alt as CEO (thus preserving the corp assets and identity) whilst all running away to safety for the duration of the war and all come back the minute it's over? It's intended. It literally kills the corp for the time being and, unless its a tiny corp, not everyone is going to come back (to a corp that can't defend itself). It's not much different from your war dec targets never undocking, which isn't an exploit either.
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.02.26 19:01:00 - [9] Last I heard its only a exploit of the corp repeatedly joins and leaves alliances to drop decs. As far as your situation no since you are deccing the corp not the individual members.
captain skinback	Posted - 2011.02.26 19:26:00 - [10] maybe op should wardec a corp thats not full of carebears. then they would be less inclined to dodge the wardec

Selinate Amarr Red Water Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.26 19:34:00 - [11] Originally by: captain skinback maybe op should wardec a corp thats not full of carebears. then they would be less inclined to dodge the wardec I was about to say something to the effect of "Sounds like a war dec griefer finally got griefed back, and wants to cry about it".
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.26 19:45:00 - [12] As one of the GM:s succinctly put it: They are free to close and reform the corp, and you are free to wardec the new corp. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.02.26 20:08:00 - [13] How about (as Ive seen done) declaring war, then instead of reupping the war dec, splitting off to a new corp and wardeccing with that one. Isnt that more expensive? ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass"
Tellenta Gallente Pastry Productions Inc. Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2011.02.26 20:27:00 - [14] I've found that you can avoid most wars by going 1 jump in to lowsec. Though there is the flip side that you can avoid most war decs from people in lowsec by jumping in to highsec. It's like there is a great separating divide. Never quite understood it.
Stella SGP The Kimotoro Initiative	Posted - 2011.02.26 20:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Lady ISK'Alot Hi, is evading a war now not classified as an exploit? Let me explain. Corp A declares war on CORP 1 CORP 1's members leave. Closing the Corp in the process. CORP 1's previous members now create CORP 2. Corp A declares war on CORP 2. CORP 2's Members leave. Closing the corp in the process. IIRC This used to be classified as an exploit. It was petitioned and apparently its allowed. Hi, is continuously war-deccing the same group of player not classified as greifing? Let me explain. Corp A declares war on CORP 1 CORP 1's members leave. Closing the Corp in the process. CORP 1's previous members now create CORP 2. Corp A declares war on CORP 2. CORP 2's Members leave. Closing the corp in the process. IIRC This could also be considered greifing if the process goes on. It was petitioned and apparently its allowed. - It goes both ways honey.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.02.26 21:12:00 - [16] just suicide gank them, probably going to get more rage and you don't even have to send them a 24 hour notice
prospector oen	Posted - 2011.02.26 22:14:00 - [17] war decs reduce lag is there a point
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.26 22:20:00 - [18] Edited by: Furb Killer on 26/02/2011 22:20:29 Not an exploit, has never been an exploit and will never be an exploit. A wardec is simply against a corporation, you caused the corporation to disband, goal achieved, what is the issue? Or from another pov: There are no consequences to starting a war, so also not to evading one.
Spurty Caldari V0LTA VOLTA Corp	Posted - 2011.02.26 23:05:00 - [19] The real question is now "why are you spending so much time and effort on these people that clearly have nothing of value?" Put anotherway "Are you bullying subscribers out of the game? Because it sure sounds like it" Hoppit!
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.02.26 23:12:00 - [20] Edited by: Jada Maroo on 26/02/2011 23:12:09 Obviously they don't intend to fight so you're just wasting time and isk. Why are you wardeccing them anyway? If your purpose is easy ganks, well, that doesn't seem to be happening. In high sec there's not a whole lot of point to wardeccing an unwilling adversary. If you want to pewpew rent some space in null. If you want to stay in high one other option is to get with some friends and do a Red v Blue sort of arrangement.

Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.27 05:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Lady ISK'Alot Hi, is evading a war now not classified as an exploit? Let me explain. Corp A declares war on CORP 1 CORP 1's members leave. Closing the Corp in the process. CORP 1's previous members now create CORP 2. Corp A declares war on CORP 2. CORP 2's Members leave. Closing the corp in the process. IIRC This used to be classified as an exploit. It was petitioned and apparently its allowed. really? your crying because the group you are trying to force an style of gameplay (pvp) is forcing their style on gameplay (pve) on you? better wars come from people that want to fight back. join RvB tons of fun. or head to nul lots of chances there. stop looking for easy ganks, its poor gameplay. __________________________________________________ stop acting like tw*ts and use your brain
Xina Tutor Amarr Hot Chicks	Posted - 2011.02.27 06:56:00 - [22] Thanks OP, I needed a laugh...
Kerfira Kerfira Corp	Posted - 2011.02.27 08:21:00 - [23] Originally by: Lady ISK'Alot Hi, is evading a war now not classified as an exploit? Let me explain. Corp A declares war on CORP 1 CORP 1's members leave. Closing the Corp in the process. CORP 1's previous members now create CORP 2. Corp A declares war on CORP 2. CORP 2's Members leave. Closing the corp in the process. IIRC This used to be classified as an exploit. It was petitioned and apparently its allowed. In EVE, you can not wardec single players, but only corps. Thus, SINGLE players are individually allowed to switch corp at any time without any problem, because your wardec is on the corp. If you kill the corp as an operating entity, you've achieved your goal, since your wardec was against the CORP, not against any individual. You are thus, by definition, happy with that result CCP devs have on several occasions over the last couple of years (CBA to find the posts) said that they were unhappy with the current wardec mechanics as they were essentially 'pay to grief' (their words, not mine). They decided on the reclassification of this as a partial fix, and to cut down on the number (and expenses) of petitions. There are several options open to you: 1. Go to low-sec 2. Go to 0.0 3. Wardec larger, more established corp, who have some attachment to their corp identity. ...but I guess that what you really want is to grief people out of the game, which is EXACTLY why CCP made the change of practice (and, it seems, for good reason) Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Templar Dane Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2011.02.27 09:55:00 - [24] Originally by: Kerfira CCP devs have on several occasions over the last couple of years (CBA to find the posts) said that they were unhappy with the current wardec mechanics as they were essentially 'pay to grief' (their words, not mine). wut
Nika Dekaia	Posted - 2011.02.27 10:08:00 - [25] Originally by: Templar Dane Originally by: Kerfira CCP devs have on several occasions over the last couple of years (CBA to find the posts) said that they were unhappy with the current wardec mechanics as they were essentially 'pay to grief' (their words, not mine). wut Yes indeed. Originally by: CSM Meeting Minutes 20-23 06 2008 0017 Empire War Dec Mechanics Noah (CCP) believes that the current wardec system amounts to a pay-to-grief system, and that CCP is interested in making war declarations deeper by adding mechanics such as victory conditions that would eventually end wars. Linkage Yes, that statement is rather old but it is still true.
Desert Ice78 Gryphon River Industries R-I-P	Posted - 2011.02.27 10:49:00 - [26] Tis funny, OP used game mechanics to target carebears for cheap kills and lolz, carebears in turn use game mechanics to frustrate and avoide would be pvpers. PvPer's whine to CCP and the forums about the unjustice of it all. Result: carebears carry on playing the game, PvPers rage and end up being classed at griefers..... Karma anyone??
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.02.27 13:06:00 - [27] Can't you just surrender? vOv ?
Stiffen2010	Posted - 2011.02.27 13:32:00 - [28] Let me guess OP, your "1337 PvP corp of pirates and mercs" wanted to war dec a bunch of miners who arent interested in fighting? Sounds like YOU are the carebear, go fight someone willing to fight back.....but that wont happen will it? because then you wont be fighting hulks and retrievers
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.02.27 13:40:00 - [29] Amusing, 5/10. By the way, real men biomass when they emoragequit.
Last Tardfighter	Posted - 2011.02.27 14:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Selinate Originally by: captain skinback maybe op should wardec a corp thats not full of carebears. then they would be less inclined to dodge the wardec I was about to say something to the effect of "Sounds like a war dec griefer finally got griefed back, and wants to cry about it". Enjoying the tears :)

Sadayiel Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.02.27 14:44:00 - [31] Edited by: Sadayiel on 27/02/2011 14:47:40 I'm curious since i'm not much involved in wardec mechanics.. What if they make war mutual then surrend.. shouldn't this drop the wardec too without need to disband corp or there is some monetary/time drawback doing that? meh checked evelopedia, so my previous theory don't work
Shintai Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io	Posted - 2011.02.27 15:23:00 - [32] Confirming the OP got griefed by carebears and cries tasty tears over it. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
omgevenmoarfreemoniez	Posted - 2011.02.27 16:37:00 - [33] Funny how the response to this thread is exactly the same as it would be to a carebear thread whining about getting griefed... "OP IS A ***GOT" Damn, who am I kidding? Every thread is like that.
Hecatonis Amarr	Posted - 2011.02.27 16:49:00 - [34] Originally by: omgevenmoarfreemoniez Funny how the response to this thread is exactly the same as it would be to a carebear thread whining about getting griefed... "OP IS A **GOT" Damn, who am I kidding? Every thread is like that. well that's eve for ya, if you start being a whiner you are called just that. why should anyone be treated any differently. eve is unforgiving and so are the players that play it __________________________________________________ stop acting like twts and use your brain
A Little Girl	Posted - 2011.02.28 10:40:00 - [35] Looks to me like the OP has lost this war, coming crying to the forums about it. Now to discuss the terms of my surrender!
Zelda Wei Caldari New Horizon Trade Exchange	Posted - 2011.02.28 11:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Lady ISK'Alot Hi, is evading a war now not classified as an exploit? Let me explain. Corp A declares war on CORP 1 CORP 1's members leave. Closing the Corp in the process. CORP 1's previous members now create CORP 2. Corp A declares war on CORP 2. CORP 2's Members leave. Closing the corp in the process. IIRC This used to be classified as an exploit. It was petitioned and apparently its allowed. Griefer tears are the sweetest tears.
Nypheas Azurai	Posted - 2011.02.28 11:13:00 - [37] delicious salty tears for make my tear jar happy.
Daenosa Ghost Festival	Posted - 2011.02.28 12:25:00 - [38] troll posts aside it is good to see that the majority of eve players still know what pvp is. To the OP, griefing is apart of eve, your trying to grief them and they are doing it back. God knows why you thought it would be a good idea to post it on here.
Evil piemaker	Posted - 2011.02.28 12:42:00 - [39] Originally by: Tellenta I've found that you can avoid most wars by going 1 jump in to lowsec. Though there is the flip side that you can avoid most war decs from people in lowsec by jumping in to highsec. It's like there is a great separating divide. Never quite understood it. Only once, when living in high sec, I saw WTs in low sec. They were everywhere we went. Cudos to a pro corp. And I've been war deced many times. Nowadays it's mostly Orphanage and likeminded Jita campers tho.
Winters Chill Amarr Diesect	Posted - 2011.02.28 13:26:00 - [40] Its not an exploit, the game mechanics are from 2004 and are fairly ill conceived. Blame the game, not the player.



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