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Loas Mileghere	Posted - 2011.02.26 20:55:00 - [1] Hi all. How do you go about planning your next ship? I am a Gallante currently in a Catalyst and am looking to change ship. Obviously I haven't got enough ISK to go for the big guns , the likes of megathron's etc. So I need a cheapish ship that's more powerful than the Catalyst. Is there a info anywhere that shows the best route to take when deciding your next ship. Something that rates the ships from basic to best. Cheers.
Long John Silver	Posted - 2011.02.26 21:02:00 - [2] Your next logical step would be to get a battlecruiser, or a T2 frigate. Depends if you want to go bigger or stay small but stronger. Or you could always train up Minmatar and have a much better selection of ships at your disposal.
Bluejacket CT Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.02.26 21:02:00 - [3] I love the Catalyst, learned how to PvP in that thing. Honestly I'd take a good hard look at your wallet and decide how many of each ship can you afford to lose. If you can't lose about 5 of that ship and replace it, I wouldn't fly it until you get a bit more experience or ISK. A great option for the post-catalyst Gallente pilot is the Vexor, but the armor rigs can get a bit expensive (although, they are optional). You could also look into flying a Thorax if you are more of a blaster fan, but I really prefer the Vex.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2011.02.26 21:09:00 - [4] Gallente ships are divided into two basic types, hybrid gun boats (like the catalyst or megathron) and drone boats (like the vexor or dominix). I'm going to leave out T2 ships from this progression as T2 ships usually exist beside other ships rather than simply as a bigger/better version (though not always, and T2 is usually quite good) HYBRID PROGRESSION Incursus -> Catalyst -> Thorax -> Brutix -> Megathron DRONE PROGRESSION Tristan -> Vexor -> Myrmidon -> Dominix Depending on your goals I would advocate away from flying gallente, as overall they are a poor choice in nearly every regard. They'll get the job done, but everyone else will do it faster and better. If you want to do missions or PVE content Minmatar/Caldari are better, and if you want to do hardcore PVP Minmatar/Amarr are better. If you just want to fly Gallente for the sake of good luck though!
Loas Mileghere	Posted - 2011.02.26 21:20:00 - [5] So minmatar are best then in most regards?
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2011.02.26 21:43:00 - [6] Originally by: Loas Mileghere So minmatar are best then in most regards? Yes, Minmatar are the best in every sub-capital regard.
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.02.26 21:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Asuka Smith Originally by: Loas Mileghere So minmatar are best then in most regards? Yes, Minmatar are the best in every sub-capital regard. Just like how Canadians live in igloos.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2011.02.26 22:02:00 - [8] Vexor is probably what you want next. Or Myrmidon if you want so skip cruisers entirely.
MyNameIsSteve DEEEEEEEEERP	Posted - 2011.02.26 22:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Tony SoXai Originally by: Asuka Smith Originally by: Loas Mileghere So minmatar are best then in most regards? Yes, Minmatar are the best in every sub-capital regard. Just like how Canadians live in igloos. And everyone form the USA weighs 400lbs.
Malcanis Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous	Posted - 2011.02.26 22:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Asuka Smith Originally by: Loas Mileghere So minmatar are best then in most regards? Yes, Minmatar are the best in every sub-capital regard. I didn't know that the Abaddon was a Minmatar ship. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.26 22:43:00 - [11] If you plan on using only pve...then skip cruisers and go straight to BC's. If you plan on doing pvp also...then skip cruisers and go straight to BC's You will want to come back for cruisers after a while though...ishtar, but I'd skip the cruisers in the beginning. I wasted some time in cruisers in the beginning and now that I look at it...it was a waste then. Now...well that's another story. Now I like them for...other activities :) Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2011.02.27 00:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Asuka Smith Originally by: Loas Mileghere So minmatar are best then in most regards? Yes, Minmatar are the best in every sub-capital regard. I didn't know that the Abaddon was a Minmatar ship. Well if you want to compare EFT numbers in a hypothetical environment they might not always be the best, or for very specific tasks they might not be the best, but overall? Are you saying that if you had to start over you'd really train anything but Minmatar? Other races have a couple good ships, Minmatar has almost only good ships. In every class of ship in the game Minmatar is either the best or it's debatable. No other race even comes close to that kind of dominance along the entire chain from frigate to battleship.
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.02.27 00:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Asuka Smith Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Asuka Smith Originally by: Loas Mileghere So minmatar are best then in most regards? Yes, Minmatar are the best in every sub-capital regard. I didn't know that the Abaddon was a Minmatar ship. Well if you want to compare EFT numbers in a hypothetical environment they might not always be the best, or for very specific tasks they might not be the best, but overall? Are you saying that if you had to start over you'd really train anything but Minmatar? Other races have a couple good ships, Minmatar has almost only good ships. In every class of ship in the game Minmatar is either the best or it's debatable. No other race even comes close to that kind of dominance along the entire chain from frigate to battleship. No other race? Gallente is one...
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2011.02.27 00:57:00 - [14] Are you serious? For PVP the only best-in-class ships that Gallente have are frigates...
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2011.02.27 01:01:00 - [15] Edited by: Omara Otawan on 27/02/2011 01:02:01 Originally by: Asuka Smith Are you serious? For PVP the only best-in-class ships that Gallente have are frigates... Tbh, overall I'd say minnie/amarr/gallente have equal number of great ships that stick out. Caldari kinda got the short end if anything. Edit: While the good minmatar ships tend to be versatile, if it isnt mobility you are looking for you'll always find another alternative that does the job better.
Jennifer Starling	Posted - 2011.02.27 01:58:00 - [16] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/02/2011 02:06:24 Originally by: Asuka Smith Originally by: Loas Mileghere So minmatar are best then in most regards? Yes, Minmatar are the best in every sub-capital regard. EDIT: Obviously you can concoct hypothetical scenarios that prove this statement to be overly broad, but it's purely academic to do so. Well I have to support Asuka Smith here (sort of). Gallente boats do have a few problems. a) In PvP, armor buffering and rigging slows your ship down. Gallente ships have the shortest range weapons. So getting into range (or getting out) can be a big problem. b) In PvE drones are very useful and in L4 missions their permarepper drone boats do great. In Wormholes and Incursions though the improved artificial intelligence targets your drones - so it's very hard to use them and keep them in one piece in those situations. * Minmatar have the fastest ships and very nice range, especially with t2 ammo (Barrage). Their artillery doesn't do the highest damage but their 1-shot volleys are the hardest hitting. They can do all damage types and their ships are often focussed on damage output. Their Rifter, Thrasher, Rupture, Hurricane and Maelstrom are often considered (among) the best of their class. Overall, they do have the best ships. * Caldari have missiles and thick shields which are great for PvE. Their Drake, Raven and Tengu are generally considered among the best PvE ships: for missions, complexes, wormholes. In PvP they're not that great but they have ECM "primary target" boats and of course the FOTM Drake blobs. Like Gallente they also have hybrid boats but those are hardly used. * Amarr have good big ships, usually their battleships are considered the most powerful ones, partially because of their Tachyon lasers and Scorch Crystals. They also have a decent (T2) cruiser and BC line, they're not very strong in the smaller ships department though.
Tony SoXai	Posted - 2011.02.27 04:02:00 - [17] Well, trying to buffer armor tank an extremely close range ship which isn't very fast to begin with and then complaining that said ship can't get into his optimal range is, let's face it, incredibly dumb. You don't see me going, "oh, well the Rupture uses autocannons and it's fast so you need to use barrage and kite but you can't do that with a ship specifically designed to armor tank (lowslots) because plates slow you down and you get caught by those thoraxes wah wah wah..." TLDR use a Thorax because it is the best T1 cruiser and is quite un-popular (for the moment)
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2011.02.27 08:00:00 - [18] Edited by: Asuka Smith on 27/02/2011 08:01:53 Is the thorax the best? [Rupture, Hunter] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Assault Missile Launcher II, Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Hobgoblin II x4 Hammerhead II x1 vs. [Thorax, Standard] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Both of these fits are what I would describe as "standard" and the Rupture will do about 15% less DPS than the Thorax assuming both have gank ammo fitted and also about 20% less tank. But /w Barrage fitted the Rupture is 25% faster and can apply damage to the edge of point range and will easily solo the Thorax. Also, if anything happens to the drones the Thorax's damage advantage evaporates, but the ruptures speed does not and agility and damage does not. I'd rather fly the Rupture, but I can see where some might prefer the Thorax. Calling it the "best" is incorrect however and this is what I meant when I said that any Minmatar ship that isn't the best flat out is in a position to be debated.
Atholbrose Tazinas	Posted - 2011.02.27 09:50:00 - [19] Edited by: Atholbrose Tazinas on 27/02/2011 09:53:13 Edited by: Atholbrose Tazinas on 27/02/2011 09:51:14 I started playing Eve a couple of months ago and was in a similar situation to Loas - had a Catalyst but did not know which route to go for running T2 missions. After acquiring the funds I purchased a Thorax and fitted her with 250 mm rails and it just never felt right. To put a long story short, I swapped the Thorax for a Vexor and went the drone route. The DPS the drones put out seems to be much better that the Thorax's rails (most MMOs I play I end up playing "pet" classes so I feel at home with drones, and the armour tanking is just as good. Next stop for me is a Dominix as for cost is not that much greater than a Myrmidon but I am also looking at other Drone boat options. Edit - just realised that I've posted this using an alt Amarr char and not my main - so ignore the char portrait :)
Siriani Blue	Posted - 2011.02.27 13:57:00 - [20] Unfortunately not as simple as picking next one from a guide as your choice of ships is largely determined by your specific needs - I assume you're planning on pve at least initally to get that income coming in. Anyway, I'll give you my thoughts on the matter and try and point out where the races strengths and weaknesses. Gallente are passable mission runners, their strengths being largely the drone boats and that those ships are quite forgiving when you have relatively few skillpoints. You have the Vexor cruiser, then the Myrmidon followed by the Dominix (somebody above mentioned the dual LAR domi which is a fantastic mission ship - bit lacking on dps but the tank and ease in fitting is great). However the big issue with this race is that hybrids don't perform well in practise meaning a lot of their ships are subpar (long range rails not really having a place in pve and are outperformed by other races guns in general, blasters just being a pain to use in pve and don't really work well in pvp). You're at a good point now to switch races should you really want to (and given the state of gallente when compared to other the races in general it is something to consider). Caldari Caldari are considered kings of PVE (damage selection, missile combat has certain advantages over gunnery, easy mode shield tanking being I think the biggest factors - oh and the drake...) but are limited in when it comes to PVP. Great BC (drake)for both pve/pvp, good PVE BS, great E-WAR ships (blackbird, scorpion and the always loved Falcon) Minmatar Minmatar are FOTM at the moment, they have a place in both PVE and PVP but they are skill intensive - as a race their ships use mixed weapon systems (meaning you may need both missile & gunnery skills to get the most out the ships) and also are split when it comes to tanking (some ships built for armor tanking, others for shield) Arguably best pvp frigate (Rifter), great pvp cruisers (Stabber & Rupture), Hurricance is great pvp BC (and I expect works well enough for pve), great line up of BS for pvp (and can be made to work quite well for pve also). Oh and some great T2 variants of the T1 ships. Amarr Amarr have limitations in pve due to their damage being EM/Therm, they work very well against certain rat types (Blood/Sansaha/EoM/Mercs) but not so efficient vs others (Guristas/Angels and no doubt others). Certainly have a place in pvp as lazers have a good tradeoff between damage and effective range, in short meaning you hit nicely at distance! Some nice frigs (punisher springs to mind), arbitrator is a nice cruiser (tho it relies on drones for dmg ), Harbinger is nice pvp BC and again a great line up of Battleships for both PVP and PVE (given the dmg type limitations above). Also of note is that Amarr has some of the best solo and gang T2 cruisers around. Hopefully one day hybrids or Gallente will get some love which may take them back to their heyday (Eos command ship use to be great fun before it was nerfed inline with the others and sensor damps on the recons used to be scary) Apologies for the wall'o'text
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.27 15:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Siriani Blue Unfortunately not as simple as picking next one from a guide as your choice of ships is largely determined by your specific needs ...the wall'o'text Pretty much nails it. All and all when you get far enough you will notice than certain ships just work better against certain things. For example you will want to train for BS when it comes to missions, but there isn't a single "perfect" BS for everything. You will probably end up with at least two perfect BS ships for missioning if you want the "good ones". Same goes for all the categories of ships. ANother example, interceptors. Nice ships, but (let's use gallente) if you only want to tackle with them...then it's the Ares, if you want to cause some damage...then it's the Taranis. Both still being interceptors. So there isn't just one ship, or even just a single ship class that is the best choice. If you want to do missions and have a 100% bulletproof tank (even with low SP) then it's the Dominix. Easy fitting, uses drones and with dualreps setups you can permatank the whole room even with low skills. It will take time to finish missions, but you will be safe. When you get better skills (meaning T2 drones...sentry) you can start removing tank and thus making it more efficient. Of course when you hit that area...you will notice that the dominix is heading for a dps wall. Then you crosstrain for minmatar and eventually fly a Machariel :) Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.

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