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Akuma Oni	Posted - 2011.02.27 12:30:00 - [1] Going for a ship to solo level 4's. I've got a Maelstrom currently and can get to tech 2 large artillery & autocannons easily, and have t2 mediums already. I have ~1.9 million unallocated skillpoints and will be able to significantly cut the training time for either ship (would still have ~1 month left for the Vargur; significantly less for Sleipnir). Thanks!
Siriani Blue	Posted - 2011.02.27 12:41:00 - [2] For level 4s? Vargur I would assume is more effective as I've not used a Sleipnir for PVE before, though I've heard many good things. I can see how speed, nice dmg and pimp tank give the Sleipnir a lot of potential - personally I'd keep the sleip for pvp work If you're that close to the skills for a Vargur then having large T2 guns, AWU 5 and BS5 are all solid investments which I wouldn't regret. I use the Vargur for the EM resistant and a few other missions in Amarr space when I'm not using the paladin.
Trader Hansen Failure Assured	Posted - 2011.02.27 14:16:00 - [3] Vargur for level 4's. While I've never flown one on a mission, my spider sense tells me that Sliepner would be a decidedly average mission runner. I'd only suggest the Sliep if your aiming for leadership skills and a semi-decent (and overpriced) PvP boat.
Maz3r Rakum Gallente The Imperial Fedaykin	Posted - 2011.02.27 17:46:00 - [4] If you are intending to do level 4s solo just go ahead and get a mach, it will out preform either Vargur or Sleipnir.
Songbird	Posted - 2011.02.27 17:59:00 - [5] I really like the vargur tracking bonus, mach of course has more space for damage mods / tracking enhancers and 1/2? turret more native dps + more drones. Sleipnir has very small range with ac and about 1/2 the dps. The only reason to train sleipnir over vargur is if you're missioning in hostile 0.0 space.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2011.02.27 19:26:00 - [6] Well, it looks like I might be the only reply so far that has actually used a Sleip for missions. And I've gotta say, this is one of those situations where the numbers don't tell the whole story: it's actually pretty good at what it does. This was my setup: [Sleipnir, mishin] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Domination X-Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Small Tractor Beam I Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I Warrior II x5 Warrior II x3 It's a surprisingly effective knife fighter. It probably isn't as fast as a Vargur (never tried; went straight to a Mach despite having Marauders IV) but it easily gets the job done.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2011.02.27 19:36:00 - [7] Originally by: Maz3r Rakum If you are intending to do level 4s solo just go ahead and get a mach, it will out preform either Vargur or Sleipnir. Puts some facts on the table. Don't just makes a statement.
Aamrr	Posted - 2011.02.27 20:11:00 - [8] I'm going to strongly, strongly discourage the ambit rig. Falloff rigs are, to be quite honest, crap. They give only a 10/15% bonus to falloff, while tracking enhancers and scripted tracking computers give 30%. Use a metastasis rig instead, and try to squeeze in a scripted tracking computer into your midslots.
Ambrosious Martin Anarchist Movment	Posted - 2011.02.27 21:03:00 - [9] Depends on if you want missions to just be a grind or a level of fun. As Zilia I also ran level 4s in a sleip for a while.. and the numbers don't tell the whole story. I used a large booster and 3 resist mods, over a XL and cap booster, but its all preference. Lows and highs were the exact same though. The sleip now that MWDs are allowed in missions, is a great choice IMO. It does just shy of 700 dps to ALL targets, and isn't afraid to let a frig swarm get close while it kills off the higher DPS. It controls range FAR better than a BS and tanks aswell as any BS. So again it is a decision. Do you want Missions to be a grind for isk or actual fun?
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.27 21:42:00 - [10] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 27/02/2011 21:42:25 Lv4? This: [Vargur, Mission Varg] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range 100MN Afterburner II 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L Small Tractor Beam I 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L Small Tractor Beam I 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L Small Tractor Beam I 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I Or this: [Machariel, Mission Mach] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 100MN Afterburner II 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L [empty high slot] Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I Large Semiconductor Memory Cell I -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html

SickSeven Simplistic Syndicate	Posted - 2011.02.27 21:54:00 - [11] I used a sleip in low-sec and it works. I did not have the greatest tank due to isk limitations but it worked 90% of the time solo. And it's a lot more FUN using 'underated' ships for missions. But I guess no-one actually cares about having fun doing missions anymore. (if you do actually want to have a bit of fun, try a SFI :) ) You died at the fittings screen, you just hand't realized it yet - Mr. Cue
Meketaten Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.27 22:06:00 - [12] Thanks for the input, everyone! I had forgotten about the Machariel, but in terms of skillpoint investment, it's the most viable for me right now. Unfortunately, both it and the Vargur cost a pretty penny, and I don't have enough to purchase and outfit either yet. I think I will go for the Sleipnir, though I do intend to get a Machariel at some point, because they look awesome.
Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.02.28 00:17:00 - [13] For good L4 misison running, a Vargur is hard to beat. In fact, the only other ship that does beat it is the mach. Have to remember the three skills that take alot of time to obtain to fly a Vargur (or a Mach) properly: Advanced weapons upgrades to 5, Minmatar BS 5, Large projectiles 5 (and large AC spec to at least 4). I would also look at the pest fleet issue
Akuma Oni	Posted - 2011.02.28 00:54:00 - [14] Okay. I'll look into a Machariel, though BS 5 is not high on my priority list at this point. ~4 days from being able to pilot the Sleipnir, though. I'll probably try to max that out and then go for a Mach, unless something else distracts me in the meantime.
Trader Hansen Failure Assured	Posted - 2011.02.28 04:28:00 - [15] Originally by: Akuma Oni Okay. I'll look into a Machariel, though BS 5 is not high on my priority list at this point. ~4 days from being able to pilot the Sleipnir, though. I'll probably try to max that out and then go for a Mach, unless something else distracts me in the meantime. Being a faction BS, you can fly a Mach with level 4 in the two BS skills just fine. It's the Vargur that requires BS5. And AWU5.
Target Painter Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.28 10:39:00 - [16] Originally by: SickSeven But I guess no-one actually cares about having fun doing missions anymore. Sometime after the 2K mark, I stopped caring and now I just want the ISK/LP hosed directly into my pocket. Quote: (if you do actually want to have a bit of fun, try a SFI :) ) Double repper SFIs are fun, but not for PvE
Meketaten Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.28 10:40:00 - [17] Yeah, but someone recommended I get BS5 for the Mach as well. I guess the limiting factor right now is cash, which I'll be pretty much out of once I have the Sleipnir.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2011.02.28 14:08:00 - [18] Originally by: SickSeven I used a sleip in low-sec and it works. I did not have the greatest tank due to isk limitations but it worked 90% of the time solo. And it's a lot more FUN using 'underated' ships for missions. But I guess no-one actually cares about having fun doing missions anymore. (if you do actually want to have a bit of fun, try a SFI :) ) Missions stopped being fun once I figured out they were easy to do and ultimatly a dull repetetive task akin to mining. And I only ever did them to get isk for my pew pew. So I found other (actually better) sources of isk, but my first fortune was med with lv4's, and I still have a Navy Raven somewere in empire gathering dust. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html


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