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Mirabele
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Posted - 2011.02.28 07:19:00 -
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So i just got my hands on the Tengu and man what a ship. Now the question is... Do you guys actuly switch damage type according to the missions? Or is it not worth it with the +25% Kin damage?
And also.. My Tengu is tanked for 550 dps perma. I usaily aggro EVERYTHING in my CNR ( tanked like 1100 dps perma ) How does this damage compare to the tengu? Putting in to account that the tengu is faster and smaler. Could it handel an entire room of like 30+ships If moving like 500m/s?
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Gistum B-Type Medium Shield Booster Gistum B-Type 10MN Afterburner Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Cap Recharger II <--- Might swap for TP if i feel that its worth it, I can now perma run everything with this. Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
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VannyDaCruz
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Posted - 2011.02.28 07:22:00 -
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As long as you dont get heavily webbed and/or tp'ed, you will be plenty fine with tank.
There are exact damage resistances of ships in many websites, use a bit of math to find out whether the 25% is worth it or not.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.02.28 07:39:00 -
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I bookmarked this one (post #7) because I was wondering about that too.
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Borwick Caldar
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.02.28 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Borwick Caldar on 28/02/2011 09:30:12 I also find that Heavy missile dealing enemies and turrets need to go down first as they hurt a bit, but other than that just orbit something (normally a popped rat) and keep firing. Haven't met a mission I couldn't do yet and i have a very similar fit to you apart from the rigs.
Oh and I never change ammo damage type, i stick to Kinetic Fury and Precision.
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GyokZoli
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.28 10:16:00 -
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EM for sansha/blood/drones and kinetic for everything else.
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catinboots
Minmatar Vintage collective
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Posted - 2011.02.28 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: GyokZoli EM for sansha/blood/drones and kinetic for everything else.
this and kill those webbing frigates first they are your biggest enemy , i lost my first tengu because of them,, the shame still haunts me you might want a tp just to kill those pesky frigs a bit faster
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There be dragons
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AstarothPrime
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Posted - 2011.02.28 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mirabele
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Gistum B-Type Medium Shield Booster Gistum B-Type 10MN Afterburner Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Cap Recharger II <--- Might swap for TP if i feel that its worth it, I can now perma run everything with this. Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Q: Could it handel an entire room of like 30+ships If moving like 500m/s?
A: Yes, but it will prolly not tank 2 x alpha maelstrom
TBH - only thing that does some damage at 70 km (where your tengu should be relative to toughest rat) are serpentis and guristas, and those 2 tengu can tank for redicules amount of damage.
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2011.02.28 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: AstarothPrime
A: Yes, but it will prolly not tank 2 x alpha maelstrom
The posted setup is over-tanked for level 4s and is expensive enough that it's more likely to lure in suicide gankers.
Fitting a Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II will significantly increase your dps.
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Dread Phantom
Caldari End Game.
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Posted - 2011.02.28 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Dread Phantom on 28/02/2011 11:39:18 I only have tech2 fitting on mine and usually dont bother speed tanking, never come close to losing it, just fit the right hardeners for the job, I did shell out for tech2 rigors though
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Mirabele
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Posted - 2011.02.28 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Celia Therone
Originally by: AstarothPrime
A: Yes, but it will prolly not tank 2 x alpha maelstrom
The posted setup is over-tanked for level 4s and is expensive enough that it's more likely to lure in suicide gankers.
Fitting a Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II will significantly increase your dps.
It aint overtanked, mistakes are sometimes made and the lower tank, the higher failrate. I cant realy do anything else to crank out more dps. So i might as well spent it on tank. Ive seen guys loosing 700 - 1200 dps-tanked ships in lvl 4, becouse of a few mistakes. I have never lost a ship in a mission, cuz my CNR was 1200 perma tanked. But it have been tested a few times.
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Joss56
Gallente Unleashed' Fury
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Posted - 2011.02.28 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mirabele So i just got my hands on the Tengu and man what a ship. Now the question is... Do you guys actuly switch damage type according to the missions? Or is it not worth it with the +25% Kin damage?
And also.. My Tengu is tanked for 550 dps perma. I usaily aggro EVERYTHING in my CNR ( tanked like 1100 dps perma ) How does this damage compare to the tengu? Putting in to account that the tengu is faster and smaler. Could it handel an entire room of like 30+ships If moving like 500m/s?
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Gistum B-Type Medium Shield Booster Gistum B-Type 10MN Afterburner Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Cap Recharger II <--- Might swap for TP if i feel that its worth it, I can now perma run everything with this. Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
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There are 2 little things I would personally change but it's a matter of personnal choice, 2T2rigors and I also use an T2Em resist than I use the daptative sub. Wy this one? Well resist=tank and the higher they are less you need to rep, the second bonus is useless but has I sais it's a matter of choice.
I have nothing compared to your fit, I mean, I use T2 stuff med rep Ab etc and T1 ammo and still I clean a DED6 alone and I never see my shield get taken over 60% at the hotest moment of the fights, whenever I jump in and have over 30 to 40ships (some times more). Wy do I use T1 ammo, just a matter of radius calculation for this DED, remember the smaller it is for your Tengu and the highest speed you can get = less dmg taken
Also I have 2xT2 riggors and 1xT2EM instead of a flare, once again they are expensive but I really think those T2 riggors worth it, the T1 ammo gets 70M radius explosion cloud and around 100 for T2 Fury, it's enough to ass kick any frig/assault pretty fast.
Now for your main question about the ammo, I franckly never change from Kin for whatever mission/DED but I allways have 300 T2 of each dmg type in my cargo, wy? well whenever some guys want a party I'm ready to give them for their money
Also, the key word for tanking with your tengu: speed speed and more speed and whenever you can get some more, than get it
PS: I've never tested DED/Plex/Faction stuff on my Tengu and franckly I don't really think it's needed to do the job but, mabe I'll put some love in my tengu just for the fun but then it's gonna be hardest to lose it ________________________________________________
"You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA/UK?"
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andeira
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Posted - 2011.02.28 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mirabele
Originally by: Celia Therone
Originally by: AstarothPrime
A: Yes, but it will prolly not tank 2 x alpha maelstrom
The posted setup is over-tanked for level 4s and is expensive enough that it's more likely to lure in suicide gankers.
Fitting a Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II will significantly increase your dps.
It aint overtanked, mistakes are sometimes made and the lower tank, the higher failrate. I cant realy do anything else to crank out more dps. So i might as well spent it on tank. Ive seen guys loosing 700 - 1200 dps-tanked ships in lvl 4, becouse of a few mistakes. I have never lost a ship in a mission, cuz my CNR was 1200 perma tanked. But it have been tested a few times.
where do you run missions? Might come along as I need some faction mods for my own tengu -------------
Originally by: Stitcher For frak's sake, it took millions of years of evolution for that brain to get inside your skull, would it kill you to actually USE the damned thing?
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AstarothPrime
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Posted - 2011.02.28 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: AstarothPrime on 28/02/2011 13:05:05 Edited by: AstarothPrime on 28/02/2011 13:03:25
Originally by: andeira
It aint overtanked, mistakes are sometimes made and the lower tank, the higher failrate. I cant realy do anything else to crank out more dps. So i might as well spent it on tank. Ive seen guys loosing 700 - 1200 dps-tanked ships in lvl 4, becouse of a few mistakes. I have never lost a ship in a mission, cuz my CNR was 1200 perma tanked. But it have been tested a few times.
where do you run missions? Might come along as I need some faction mods for my own tengu
IDK m8, i run L4s regularly and in 90% of cases I dont need even to turn on my booster because 8 HP/s passive recharge holds
I actually run my tengu with 3 T2 resistance amplifiers (specific to rat), T2 invu and meta 4 med booster. As said - booster is turned on only while fighting webbers... Unfortunately CPU issues prevent me from having T2 booster.
In lows I have T2 BCU...
Edit: Only thing I MITE be ok with on tengu is small pith booster - the one for ~200M ISK... and that is just to be able to pew pew in WHs...
I.
Edit Edit:
1200 DPS mission - please enlighten me - because I hadnt seen such a thing yet?
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GyokZoli
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.28 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: AstarothPrime 1200 DPS mission - please enlighten me - because I hadnt seen such a thing yet?
AE bonus room? Also Worlds Collide full room agro and the last part of Enemies Abound are my candidates for this.
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.02.28 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: GyokZoli
Originally by: AstarothPrime 1200 DPS mission - please enlighten me - because I hadnt seen such a thing yet?
AE bonus room? Also Worlds Collide full room agro and the last part of Enemies Abound are my candidates for this.
These 2 can be tanked with a simple BS havind tracking trouble to hit small stuff (mega navy), with a Tengu is afk youpor n ________________________________________________
Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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Al Anders
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Posted - 2011.02.28 13:36:00 -
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My 2 cents: Using the following setup (that's my first tengu) i've closely watched on my incoming damage. Until i got webbed with AB on (dual spider drones on me) - torpedoes hit me for 3-8 damage. **** hit the fan when spiders landed webs(old school webs - 90%). I've got deep in armor and used GTFO special. So. If no webbing frigates cruisers and BC, then you can easily speedtank 30 torpedo/cruise bs. Turrets can be problem especially in case of angels (target painters no less pain than web, and you can occasiously get "bad" transversal to that bad guy with a big guns). While tengu works with guristas - it's peace of cake. That is my guri lvl4 cheapfit tengu... Very cheap. [Tengu, Mishun] Internal Force Field Array I Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
10MN Afterburner II Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
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GyokZoli
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Swynet
Originally by: GyokZoli
Originally by: AstarothPrime 1200 DPS mission - please enlighten me - because I hadnt seen such a thing yet?
AE bonus room? Also Worlds Collide full room agro and the last part of Enemies Abound are my candidates for this.
These 2 can be tanked with a simple BS havind tracking trouble to hit small stuff (mega navy), with a Tengu is afk youpor n
But that wasn't the question.
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Evil Stare
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Posted - 2011.02.28 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Celia Therone
Originally by: AstarothPrime
A: Yes, but it will prolly not tank 2 x alpha maelstrom
The posted setup is over-tanked for level 4s and is expensive enough that it's more likely to lure in suicide gankers.
Fitting a Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II will significantly increase your dps.
FYI, they don't scan tengu's anymore, they just assume they have a juicy center.
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Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle Nostradamus Effect
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Posted - 2011.02.28 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: catinboots
Originally by: GyokZoli EM for sansha/blood/drones and kinetic for everything else.
this and kill those webbing frigates first they are your biggest enemy you might want a tp just to kill those pesky frigs a bit faster
This is good stuff. Supported. _____________________________________ Real men corpse tank. |
Linda Flamewalker
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Posted - 2011.02.28 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: GyokZoli
Originally by: AstarothPrime 1200 DPS mission - please enlighten me - because I hadnt seen such a thing yet?
AE bonus room? Also Worlds Collide full room agro and the last part of Enemies Abound are my candidates for this.
In a tengu? 400 tank is more then enough to snore through AE bonus room. Just keep moving, take down those webbers before they even reach you. then just orbit a missile tower or something and you are set. AE bonus is really easy in t3s.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.02.28 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mirabele
Originally by: Celia Therone
Originally by: AstarothPrime
A: Yes, but it will prolly not tank 2 x alpha maelstrom
The posted setup is over-tanked for level 4s and is expensive enough that it's more likely to lure in suicide gankers.
Fitting a Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II will significantly increase your dps.
It aint overtanked, mistakes are sometimes made and the lower tank, the higher failrate. I cant realy do anything else to crank out more dps. So i might as well spent it on tank. Ive seen guys loosing 700 - 1200 dps-tanked ships in lvl 4, becouse of a few mistakes. I have never lost a ship in a mission, cuz my CNR was 1200 perma tanked. But it have been tested a few times.
it is way over tanked. and losing a 700-1200 dps tanked ship is more likely due to a few mistakes plus having no damage to correct those mistakes. hell in the tengu you'd have to pretty much be in one of the biggest missions, sitting still, hit every trigger, and then go afk for waffles to lose one (I almost did that once, a double tapped in space and turned the ab on seconds later my shields were coming back, and that was with way less tank)
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Celia Therone
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Posted - 2011.03.01 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Corporal Punishment08
Originally by: catinboots
Originally by: GyokZoli EM for sansha/blood/drones and kinetic for everything else.
this and kill those webbing frigates first they are your biggest enemy you might want a tp just to kill those pesky frigs a bit faster
This is good stuff. Supported.
Sometimes it's best to kill the cruisers first as they are often fragile and they do a lot of dps. Stop The Thief springs to mind as does Guristas Extravaganza which can get quite a lot of DPS on you if you shoot the frigates (triggers) first.
But, yes, AE5 I'm definitely taking down those frigates before they're in scramble range...
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.03.01 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Celia Therone Sometimes it's best to kill the cruisers first as they are often fragile and they do a lot of dps. Stop The Thief springs to mind as does Guristas Extravaganza which can get quite a lot of DPS on you if you shoot the frigates (triggers) first.
But, yes, AE5 I'm definitely taking down those frigates before they're in scramble range...
if you are moving at all can take full aggro minus the frigs just dandy in GE. and in stop the thief just kill the 2 bs that matter, who needs to kill the cruisers
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Jason W0rthing
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.03.01 02:50:00 -
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I've been running lvl 4s for a while in my tengu and have never had a problem with gank or tank.
My setup
[Tengu, Mission Tengu] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Photon Scattering Field II Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
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I carry Scourge Fury, Thunderbolt Fury, Scourge Precision, and Thunderbolt precision. Use EM for blood/sansha/drones and scourge for everything else. Never had a problem with tank, and I zip through missions with my eyes closed.
Tanks 470 versus Sansha. I sometimes use cheap Gist hardeners to offset the cap use from running an invuln or too because my cap skills aren't perfect and I like to perma-run the booster even though it is rarely (if ever) necessary.
On heavy dps missions versus enemies that are doing lots of EM and explosive just make sure to kill the webbers and run your AB. I rarely dip below 85% shields.
Originally by: CCP Shadow What is thy bidd -- Wait. This thread, I have an irresistible urge to lock it for "being related to neither crime nor punishment."
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Managalar
Gallente PREMM Technologies TRE GAFFEL
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Posted - 2011.03.02 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: GyokZoli EM for sansha/blood/drones and kinetic for everything else.
This is right on - I was testing Scourge vs Havoc with Angels - and the volleys are nearly identical. Fly with Thunderbolt and Scourge and you're ready for everything. =====================
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Signal11th
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Posted - 2011.03.03 10:32:00 -
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I've been flying a tengu for about a year now and I find I get just as good dps sometimes better dps just using kinectic's no matter what the rat is.
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insulubria
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Posted - 2011.03.03 19:13:00 -
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confirming tengu is win..
Fly orbit around wrecks, while afterburning, barely if ever touch the shield booster.
using hams + target painter 50km tech 1 ammo, probably lot further with t2 javelin version
utterly dps **** tackle frigs, if you get tackle blobbed, you got the shield booster :)
if not, everything should be missing you anyways.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.03 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: GyokZoli
Originally by: AstarothPrime 1200 DPS mission - please enlighten me - because I hadnt seen such a thing yet?
AE bonus room? Also Worlds Collide full room agro and the last part of Enemies Abound are my candidates for this.
AE bonus room in a Tengu is done just fine with a 500 DPS Angel-specific tank. WC is handled just fine with ~700à Granted, both of these assume that you're mobile
No idea about EA, though ù I never run that mission. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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