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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.08.25 00:40:00 -
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But don't feel bad because you could be getting the sequel in as little as 10 years if he smiles enough and fakes being nice.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/editorials/the-right-decision-on-breivik/article4497841/
Should maximum sentence laws really apply to multiple murders? |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1910
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Posted - 2012.08.25 01:45:00 -
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There will be no deviation from "the plan" |
Bommel McMurdoc
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
27
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Posted - 2012.08.25 04:11:00 -
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I think Surfin' means, John Lennon. Just in case anyone else was boggled by the "Lenin" as I was. =P |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1914
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Posted - 2012.08.25 04:12:00 -
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Bommel McMurdoc wrote:I think Surfin' means, John Lennon. Just in case anyone else was boggled by the "Lenin" as I was. =P
Yeah sure, him. I stopped correcting it when the red lines went away |
Alara IonStorm
3025
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Posted - 2012.08.25 04:21:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: *Edit: Also the guy that shot Lenin was up for parole last week for the 7th time... it was denied.
Just because they CAN be paroled doesn't mean they ever will. Killing 77 people is pretty much grounds that he'll never be let out
His sentence is 21 years and while there is a law that can technically keep him in, it relies on him not acting nice and pretending to reform like a school bully. More then likely it looks like 21 years.
That aside I'm just saying maximum sentencing seems like a dumb thing. |
Bommel McMurdoc
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
27
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Posted - 2012.08.25 04:26:00 -
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http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083,00.html
check that out, and the max sentence in Norway is 21 years. They are all about rehabilitation. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1914
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Posted - 2012.08.25 04:27:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: *Edit: Also the guy that shot Lenin was up for parole last week for the 7th time... it was denied.
Just because they CAN be paroled doesn't mean they ever will. Killing 77 people is pretty much grounds that he'll never be let out
His sentence is 21 years and while there is a law that can technically keep him in, it relies on him not acting nice and pretending to reform like a school bully. More then likely it looks like 21 years. That aside I'm just saying maximum sentencing seems like a dumb thing.
Law is a strange thing, best not to think about it too much |
Alara IonStorm
3025
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Posted - 2012.08.25 04:39:00 -
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Bommel McMurdoc wrote: check that out, and the max sentence in Norway is 21 years. They are all about rehabilitation.
I get rehabilitation and even though it is very hard especially for families of victims I understand it for murderers.
But serial killers, spree killers that I don't understand. I think there is a limit where you just gotta say no you can't come back to society, it is just too big a risk for everyone who didn't murder a whole bunch of people. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1914
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Posted - 2012.08.25 04:40:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Bommel McMurdoc wrote: check that out, and the max sentence in Norway is 21 years. They are all about rehabilitation.
I get rehabilitation and even though it is very hard especially for families of victims I understand it for murderers. But serial killers, spree killers that I don't understand. I think there is a limit where you just gotta say no you can't come back to society, it is just too big a risk for everyone who didn't murder a whole bunch of people.
No no no, mass murder.... not a serial killer |
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
683
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Posted - 2012.08.25 05:31:00 -
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Bommel McMurdoc wrote:http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083,00.html
check that out, and the max sentence in Norway is 21 years. They are all about rehabilitation.
Something tells me the guy isn't about rehabilitation. Having said that though, if I were to ever go to prison I sure hope its that one. Looks like it would sure beat an American cell where your bunk mate will most likely try to kill you the first night your there. |
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Shalia Ripper
188
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Posted - 2012.08.25 08:37:00 -
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Bommel McMurdoc wrote:I think Surfin' means, John Lennon. Just in case anyone else was boggled by the "Lenin" as I was. =P
She had the wrong Communist. It happens. Why can't I just delete my signature CCP? WHYYYYYYY? |
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.08.25 17:35:00 -
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He will stay in for a long time.
As it happens, I am pretty satisfied with the prison system in my counter (Norway). I don't get the petty revenge fueled system in say US.
As for "only" 21 years... 21 years is a pretty damn long time. Its the entire youth of his life in a small cell with no freedom. And it is likely he will stay in 'forvaring' even longer. |
Rana Ash
Gradient Electus Matari
46
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Posted - 2012.08.25 17:47:00 -
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Even if he gets out after 21 years, it would'nt suprise me if someone killed him. Just for to be the guy/girl whom killed Breivik |
Bommel McMurdoc
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
29
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Posted - 2012.08.25 17:47:00 -
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Sidus Isaacs wrote:He will stay in for a long time. As it happens, I am pretty satisfied with the prison system in my counter (Norway). I don't get the petty revenge fueled system in say US. As for "only" 21 years... 21 years is a pretty damn long time. Its the entire youth of his life in a small cell with no freedom. And it is likely he will stay in 'forvaring' even longer.
I am an american and I'll be honest, I'm not entirely sure i agree with the long term incarceration of our offenders either. I mean, locking people up for most of their lives without any real introduction to the world as it would be once they are released on parole, if at all. Prisons can be a really horrible place for people, mentally and physically.
my question to you is, the offenders in the norwegian penal system, when they are released then what? what does your gov't do when the prisoner is granted release ? Does norway provide them with training to be a productive member of society? Mental health rehabilitation? |
Ensign X
104
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Posted - 2012.08.25 17:54:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: *Edit: Also the guy that shot Lenin was up for parole last week for the 7th time... it was denied.
Just because they CAN be paroled doesn't mean they ever will. Killing 77 people is pretty much grounds that he'll never be let out
His sentence is 21 years and while there is a law that can technically keep him in, it relies on him not acting nice and pretending to reform like a school bully. More then likely it looks like 21 years. That aside I'm just saying maximum sentencing seems like a dumb thing.
There is next to zero percent chance that he'll be out before he dies. 21 years is the sentence, or 14 weeks for each of his 77 victims, but Norwegian law allows for that to be extended indefinitely in cases such as this. That said, much of the rest of the world could seriously learn a few lessons from how Norwegians and their justice system have handled this whole situation. |
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
532
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Posted - 2012.08.25 18:04:00 -
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Prisons that look like hotels... nice. "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" |
SpaceSquirrels
284
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Posted - 2012.08.26 13:11:00 -
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Ahh for the old ole days when they just put everyone to the axe or burning stakes... Not cause you deserved it...(Most of the time you didnt) rather cause they didnt want to deal with you. |
Alara IonStorm
3033
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Posted - 2012.08.26 13:20:00 -
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SpaceSquirrels wrote:Ahh for the old ole days when they just put everyone to the axe or burning stakes... Not cause you deserved it...(Most of the time you didnt) rather cause they didnt want to deal with you. That equates to maximum time served laws and a guy who killed about 70 adolescents and injured over 200 people how?
You are right though. In this particular case this is not a guy who I want to deal with. Witch's however are fine in my books.
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Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.08.27 21:58:00 -
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Bommel McMurdoc wrote:Sidus Isaacs wrote:He will stay in for a long time. As it happens, I am pretty satisfied with the prison system in my counter (Norway). I don't get the petty revenge fueled system in say US. As for "only" 21 years... 21 years is a pretty damn long time. Its the entire youth of his life in a small cell with no freedom. And it is likely he will stay in 'forvaring' even longer. I am an american and I'll be honest, I'm not entirely sure i agree with the long term incarceration of our offenders either. I mean, locking people up for most of their lives without any real introduction to the world as it would be once they are released on parole, if at all. Prisons can be a really horrible place for people, mentally and physically. my question to you is, the offenders in the norwegian penal system, when they are released then what? what does your gov't do when the prisoner is granted release ? Does norway provide them with training to be a productive member of society? Mental health rehabilitation?
They can take an education while in prison, actually. David Toska did just that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Toska http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/nokas/artikkel.php?artid=159635 |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1952
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Posted - 2012.08.27 22:00:00 -
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I think we can take just a few hints from Saudi Arabia... stealing: first offense, cut off the left hand. 2nd offense, cut off the right hand.... there is no 3rd offense Gÿ+/ /Gûî /n++ \ -áThis is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums. |
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Astenion
Infinite Potential Stellar Edge
160
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Posted - 2012.08.27 23:36:00 -
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Prison is like a vacation in Norway. This guy will have a better life inside than on the outside.
Norway: where you can exact your revenge on whomever you want and how many you want and still be out before you hit retirement age, all the while being afforded amenities most citizens of other countries would dream to have. That's awesome.
Someone comes and kills your entire family in the middle of the night? Just hunt him down, torture him, chop him up into little pieces, do whatever makes you feel good to exact your revenge and not only will you do only 20 years in a prison that's like a holiday resort, if you commit the crime at age 20 you could possibly be out before you hit 40.
If I ever have to kill anyone, I'm moving to Norway. |
Jim Era
Genco Fatal Ascension
1382
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Posted - 2012.08.27 23:40:00 -
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:/ was hoping for an encore sooner than my 60's |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1952
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Posted - 2012.08.27 23:47:00 -
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Astenion wrote:Prison is like a vacation in Norway. This guy will have a better life inside than on the outside.
Norway: where you can exact your revenge on whomever you want and how many you want and still be out before you hit retirement age, all the while being afforded amenities most citizens of other countries would dream to have. That's awesome.
Someone comes and kills your entire family in the middle of the night? Just hunt him down, torture him, chop him up into little pieces, do whatever makes you feel good to exact your revenge and not only will you do only 20 years in a prison that's like a holiday resort, if you commit the crime at age 20 you could possibly be out before you hit 40.
If I ever have to kill anyone, I'm moving to Norway.
Make sure you also do it in Norway... extradition is a ***** and you'll end up stuck in an Ecuadorian embassy Gÿ+/ /Gûî /n++ \ -áThis is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums. |
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.08.28 08:43:00 -
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Astenion wrote:Prison is like a vacation in Norway. This guy will have a better life inside than on the outside.
Norway: where you can exact your revenge on whomever you want and how many you want and still be out before you hit retirement age, all the while being afforded amenities most citizens of other countries would dream to have. That's awesome.
Someone comes and kills your entire family in the middle of the night? Just hunt him down, torture him, chop him up into little pieces, do whatever makes you feel good to exact your revenge and not only will you do only 20 years in a prison that's like a holiday resort, if you commit the crime at age 20 you could possibly be out before you hit 40.
If I ever have to kill anyone, I'm moving to Norway.
I think that says a lot more about where you come form then Norway. As it happens Norway is a pretty awesome country with little crime. We just happen to have a good culture that does not foster crime, like say US.
Its all about prevention, not punishment.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita |
Astenion
Infinite Potential Stellar Edge
160
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Posted - 2012.08.28 11:15:00 -
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Well, that's my point. Norway is the best country in which to live according to job growth, income, health care, quality of life, etc. It's a better society.
What Americans don't understand is that everything wrong with America is the fault of the American people. It's American society that has failed America, not the government. A government represents the people who elect it, not the other way around. Norway can afford to have such lax prison sentences because the country reflects its own society, which is a highly civilized, highly educated and with great social benefits for its populace.
I've always wanted to live in Norway. I live in Italy now, and although I'd prefer Norway, many of the same principles apply here as well in comparison to the states. There are just certain things that, due to a good social system, you just don't have to worry about, unlike when I lived in the US.
The only bad thing I can think of is immigration. Some people immigrate just to go to jail in certain countries so they'll be treated better, and Norway is one of those countries. I foresee some laws changing if Norway continues to expand its culture, because quite honestly the current system can be highly manipulated and taken advantage of.
However, you have to be honest: you're a very wealthy country with a very small populace. Everyone's happy because everyone has everything they want. You don't have much stress or worry unlike the US. Your society doesn't foster crime, not because of the type of people, but because of the quality of life you have. Were that ever to dry up, I think you'd see a huge change. Norway is the trust fund baby of the world; of course everyone's happy and civilized and crime is low. |
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