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The Mattius
Enigma Technologies
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Posted - 2011.03.01 12:31:00 -
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Hey all, could use a little advice on a long term strategy for investing some isk.
I will be taking a short break from Eve (not unsubbing) while i go and play Black Prophecy's open beta.
I have around 20 billion liquid isk that I would like to be working for me while I don't trade.
If you had this isk, and were taking a break, what would you sink it into for a long term return.
I am thinking around 6-12 months.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.03.01 12:41:00 -
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Guidance systems and/or planetary vehicles.
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Rule18
Capsuleer Races And Violent Events Inc.
Taurus Quantum Dynamics
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Posted - 2011.03.01 12:42:00 -
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message me in game for details but i may have a may for you to invest up to 5bil.
"If it can be named, it can be hated."
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.03.01 12:50:00 -
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Guidance systems, technetium. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.03.01 13:12:00 -
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Diversify. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Some eggs will break for sure, if you will have many of them it won't be that bad though.
Also, PI commodities are not *that* sealed in their pricing direction to safeguard your investment for a whole year.
Also, having posted here what's best is not going to work.
I suggest you the most sane thing: ask and pay a consultancy in game to someone like Akita T to have a long term fundamental analysis. Then slap some billions on the stuff told.
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2011.03.01 13:28:00 -
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Also consider the context in which you plan to return. For example, if you bought a ton of PLEX (using this as an example which is tied to patch releases) and come back at a time when everyone is selling PLEX to raise funds for very expensive, shiny, new ships, then your investment will be depressed somewhat compared to coming back during a lull between patches. If you plan to monitor your investments infrequently, then you can do things like rebalance investments when something rises too fast or falls too much.
Moving on, every good mentioned so far: PI stuff, tech, and PLEX has the potential to rise, but it depends on CCP action. Vaerah Vahrokha's advice might work out. The people who could give the best advice would have some degree of conflict of interest. But it should be beyond the time horizon of most active traders, so you shouldn't be poaching their leads. You might want to consider several opinions.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.03.01 13:37:00 -
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The question asked was not 'what should I buy' but, rather, 'what would you buy', so this didn't seem to call for compelling arguments.
That aside, over a year no fundamental analysis will be able to protect you from the possibility that CCP might change things in some way that has an effect on your investment. All you will be able to do is take account of popular sentiment and CCP's long term goals. These would suggest to me that there is a reasonable possibility of a tech nerf at some point over the next two patches. I don't see any evidence suggesting a PI nerf is on the cards, although this doesn't mean that nothing will change, which is why I think that buying PI goods that still haven't reached their build price is probably the safest bet. Unless CCP changes something it is hard to conceive of a situation whereby they have lost value a year down the line.
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DigysT
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Posted - 2011.03.01 13:41:00 -
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A long term investment might be a good idea. But still if you are away there is alot that can change, I mean your chosen product could most likely (if choosen wisely) give you a nice profit. But with some bad luck or some changes to the game you might also end up with less then you started with.
Out of curiosity, how about a loan with a full collateral in BPO II and a fix % intrest?
Ofcourse third party secured.
Then you will atleast have some one to babysit your ISK and will have an intrest in making sure to earn money on them.
I am at work atm and dont have time to give you all the details, and also we might discuss what would be an acceptable % for you. Just wanted to give an alternative, and hear if it would be of interest to you?
If it is I will send you an ingame mail later tonight and we can see if we can come to an agreement.
And yes this is an alt of an alt of mine. And will not be the one you do buisniess with ;-) |
RAW23
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Posted - 2011.03.01 13:52:00 -
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 Originally by: DigysT
A long term investment might be a good idea. But still if you are away there is alot that can change, I mean your chosen product could most likely (if choosen wisely) give you a nice profit. But with some bad luck or some changes to the game you might also end up with less then you started with.
Out of curiosity, how about a loan with a full collateral in BPO II and a fix % intrest?
Ofcourse third party secured.
Then you will atleast have some one to babysit your ISK and will have an intrest in making sure to earn money on them.
I am at work atm and dont have time to give you all the details, and also we might discuss what would be an acceptable % for you. Just wanted to give an alternative, and hear if it would be of interest to you?
If it is I will send you an ingame mail later tonight and we can see if we can come to an agreement.
And yes this is an alt of an alt of mine. And will not be the one you do buisniess with ;-)
If the OP isn't interested in this, give me a shout as I might be.
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The Mattius
Enigma Technologies
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Posted - 2011.03.01 15:04:00 -
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Thanks for the replies thus far.
And Raw is right that I am not after specifics as such. I don't expect anyone to freely hand out buy this now and sell it later advice.
It is more of an overall strategy for a long break, something I have not done in 7 years playing Eve, so it will be unchartered waters for me.
I will certainly be returning !
I had not considered the idea of investing the Isk with anyone, simply because although I trust much of the advice given here, I don't trust many ppl with my Isk 
If full collateral were provided, then this may be something i would consider.
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Elise DarkStar
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Posted - 2011.03.01 15:27:00 -
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Technetium. Right now. Seriously.
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2011.03.01 16:21:00 -
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Hydra gives you 2% ROI while you are away.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.01 16:37:00 -
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At that size, we could discuss me issuing you some KalBonds at 3% and promise not to call them for at least 9 months.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.03 06:08:00 -
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The good news and the bad news... the good news is that not doing anything is probably one of the best courses of action ; the bad news is that your planned time away means probably at least one, if not two big patches (and maybe several smaller ones), and their effect is all but unpredictable before they are nearly finalized.
On the invest-in-others front, most EVE businesses either fail or offer low returns, so overall, even if you diversify, you won't get a lot of ISK extra from all your trouble, with a hefty chance of actually coming back to less ISK.
You could try to pick the ones you think will conclude successfully, but it's really just a gamble if you think about it, no matter what other people are saying (you never have any guarantees about how people would react, so it IS a gamble, a gamble on that person's abilities and honesty).
On the invest-in-items front... it's one thing to predict the way the market will swing after a patch when you can see most of the patch working on SiSi and read player feedback, but it's a completely different matter to try and predict what will go up after a patch that's not even announced yet. That's not skill, that's utter and sheer luck.
SOME choices are far less risky than others, but the risk still exists. Diversification might indeed help you mitigate some of that risk, but there's still no guarantee, it's still a gamble (a much better gamble, but still a gamble).
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Sure, guidance systems COULD go up, since they're still relatively closer to their NPC price rather than actual PI production price... but they have increased quite a bit in the past already, and considering the estimated HUMONGOUS stockpiles made at ubercheap prices, I wouldn't be completely surprised if they don't go up noticeably in the next 6 to 12 months. Or they could go up a lot, then crash again as people try to dump stocks. Or they could indeed spike and stay up. Most likely however, they will go up slowly. Relatively safe investment, but low potential profits.
Technetium... well, that one in my personal opinion is potentially very profitable but also one of the riskier ones, especially long term. Short to medium term, it will almost surely go up a lot more, since whatever stockpiles existed are slowly but surely getting exhausted, and it's obvious to just about everybody it really is the one huge bottleneck, and with increasing unit prices the desire to take moons over rises, and moons that change hands cease production for a while, so all in all, it will just accelerate its price rise. HOWEVER, there's no guarantee CCP will simply stand by while the thing they tried to avoid having more than a year ago is happening again for a different moon mineral. Sure, they COULD take more than half a year to correct the situation, but one whole year without CCP intervention, now THAT is one huge gamble.
TL;DR - the selected time interval is so long that anything you do is much more of a gamble rather than an investment
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2011.03.03 23:44:00 -
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A viable long term strategy is still the good ol' "Buy low, sell high". In your case, just set up a couple of buy orders (diversify, as already mentioned). If you return to the game, your hangar(s) will be filled with stuff you should then be able to sell with a profit.
Doing so, you
- will most likely make more profit out of this %-wise than any interest rate someone might offer you.
- don't need to worry about the investment is still around when you return. Even if people don't intend to scam their investors, sometimes they just stop playing EVE. And not everyone will go through the hassle to liquidate his assets and pay out investors before he quits/takes a break.
The drawback: you don't have immediately "cash to burn" when returning, but need to wait a couple of days until you get your goods sold.
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