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Clementina
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Posted - 2005.02.01 02:50:00 -
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Why all the hate for 'Carebears' and Miners. These guys are hated far more then their aversion of fights and love of risk-free isk would logically imply.
I ask again, not to flame or anything of that nature. simply for eludification. Why the hate
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Heine Shaver
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Posted - 2005.02.01 03:57:00 -
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Because miners tie their t shirts in a knot above their belly button and pvprs like 40s, blunts, and ships with that shine to em.
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RollinDutchMasters
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Posted - 2005.02.01 04:02:00 -
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I love miners. Shaken, not stirred.
 Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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MooKids
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Posted - 2005.02.01 04:11:00 -
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Because they whine whenever they come across any PVP. We hate the ones who want to remove PVP and turn EVE into a mining sim. However, those that do not want to PVP, but realize that it is a part of life and accept it, I have no problem with them.
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2005.02.01 07:09:00 -
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like the noobs who cry cos they cant fit 30 neutrons on their megathrons 
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There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2005.02.01 08:00:00 -
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hating carebears makes you 'cool'
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Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2005.02.01 09:26:00 -
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Let's kill all carebear miners. That will increase the cost of a lot of stuff aswell since they bring in a large amount of the low minerals.
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DarkAlpha
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Posted - 2005.02.01 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: MooKids
Because they whine whenever they come across any PVP. We hate the ones who want to remove PVP and turn EVE into a mining sim. However, those that do not want to PVP, but realize that it is a part of life and accept it, I have no problem with them.
Moo,do you see this ship in your hangar? This ship is made out of minerals. Did you mine for your ship or some carebear that you soo much hate did? Just like you said it. ""but realize that it is a part of life and accept it"" Smille for the camera MF.
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Shafty
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Posted - 2005.02.01 19:16:00 -
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Gotta love Inkz` mean forum face, really he is a smiley, happy chap.
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xOm3gAx
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Posted - 2005.02.01 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: MooKids
Because they whine whenever they come across any PVP. We hate the ones who want to remove PVP and turn EVE into a mining sim. However, those that do not want to PVP, but realize that it is a part of life and accept it, I have no problem with them.
Agree'd i dont have a problem with carebears miners and the general "i only wanta mining sim crowd" but it is rather annoying when tey complain about pvp we blow stuff up you build it we buy it you make isk its a the cycle of life in eve and if u think pvp is soooo bad then get in a ship and try it sometime... its fun for one and for two not everyone wants to mine... btw did u see the size of alliances they make up most of the games population so pvp = money for ccp and isk for you guys ;)
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Cecil Montague
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Posted - 2005.02.01 19:51:00 -
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If there wsa no PvP then there would be far less ships blowing up.
If less ships blow up there will be less need for new ones.
If there is less need none of the carebears will be able to sell all the mins they mine.
Without PvPer's, Carebears would have nothing to do and without carebares we'd all be fighting in noob ships.
Draw your own conclusions.
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Malificus
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Posted - 2005.02.01 20:14:00 -
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When they get numerous, they turn against you and it's annoying. Because they get anti pvper, with lame jokes, you know, carebear humour. For example, take the French channel, in language section, it's unbearable.
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siim
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Posted - 2005.02.01 20:37:00 -
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carebears are responsible of all of the nerfs we have gotten 
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Clementina
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Posted - 2005.02.01 22:29:00 -
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So As I understand it, there is the whine-factor, or the tendency of carebears to whine when their ships and pods get blown up. There's also the claim that carebears are responsible for every nerf.
However a fully kitted out battleship costs about 150,000,000 isk*. Now it feels bad to me when I loose a 150,000 isk frigate. I don't whine. However I can clearly understand that people might be emotionally affected by such a loss**.
As to the claim that carebears are responsible for nerfs, I've been around for months, not years, so wouldn't know what nerfs have gone on. The only one that I've been here for was the alliance war costs increase, that protects 0.0 dwelling carebears, But wasn't that instituted by CCP on there own?
* I don't know battleships, and can't even fly one, that price is a guess.
** Especally if the battleship is uninsured.
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Zanthiuse
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Posted - 2005.02.01 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Clementina
So As I understand it, there is the whine-factor, or the tendency of carebears to whine when their ships and pods get blown up. There's also the claim that carebears are responsible for every nerf.
However a fully kitted out battleship costs about 150,000,000 isk*. Now it feels bad to me when I loose a 150,000 isk frigate. I don't whine. However I can clearly understand that people might be emotionally affected by such a loss**.
As to the claim that carebears are responsible for nerfs, I've been around for months, not years, so wouldn't know what nerfs have gone on. The only one that I've been here for was the alliance war costs increase, that protects 0.0 dwelling carebears, But wasn't that instituted by CCP on there own?
* I don't know battleships, and can't even fly one, that price is a guess.
** Especally if the battleship is uninsured.
in general, it's the carebears fault when they lose a ship (due to lack of preperation etc), then they start smacking and swearing and being asses instead of getting over it and moving on. That reflects badly on them. Also, more noobies are miners than pvpers (the whole hate of noobies thing is a different topic though)
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Magic Trev
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Posted - 2005.02.01 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Clementina
Why all the hate
because i was abused as a child and had a ****ty xmas 
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Kira Natel
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Posted - 2005.02.02 00:18:00 -
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Seems to me in almost all of these type posts that the majority of the whining is by PvPer's and not so called "carebears" Just look at the posts.
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alphawolf2929
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Posted - 2005.02.02 00:29:00 -
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Miners, the players you love to hate, and blow up
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Shenro
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Posted - 2005.02.02 02:22:00 -
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The hatred held for miners/carebears is truly all missplaced as it is the miners that supply all of the nonnamed mods for the PvP pilots, of course many would say this is a lie but since its the miners that supply the builders with minerals then the miners are the true source of all mods and PvP cannot be possible without them.
Myself i am a miner, but i also enjoy PvP and would have left EVE a while ago if it werent for PvP but i say if someone wants to stay in high sec to avoid losing their 100m+ mining ship, i see no problems, what i dont like are the pirates in empire space that blow me up in low sec but i dont really care since i can accept that its all a very large cycle.
miners sell minerals to builders, builders sell mods to fighters, pirats take isk from miners and the miners sell more minerals and builders build more mods for the pirats that get killed.
2005.04.05 19:01:31 combat Your Medium Pulse Laser II perfectly
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CYVOK
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Posted - 2005.02.02 02:58:00 -
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Lets have some fun and stir things up a bit.
Lets say your a "carebear" so you train almost no PvP skills, would you get upset when a PvPer blows you up and you have almost no way to defend yourself? I think you can answer that one.
Its funny that nearly all carebears will sit their and get blown away rather then log off like most "pvpers" would/do.
lets say your an PvPer and you have almost no "carebearing skills" would you get ****ed if the only way to get a titan was to mine it out of a roid with a DCM?
Without the dedicated builders, miners and agent runners in EvE their would be no T2 ships or weapons. How many PvPers run enough agent missions to build an assault Cruiser? How many PvPers have the skills to mine enough to replace all their lost ships? How many PvPers have the paticeance to copy ship/equipment prints?
Fact is without dedicated carebears their would be nothing to fly or kill.
Without dedicated PvPers their would be no reason to supply the market with ships or weapons.
You want to know who would win in an all our war, carebear vs PvPer? It would be the carebears! for several reasons.
1) If carebears refused to build/mine or sell to PvPers they would run out of ships rather fast. (just look at sisi) no one builds or mines on the test server and it only takes a couple of weeks for the market to be stripped bare after a mirror.
2) Their are FAR more carebears in the game then PvPers. Sure you might be the best PvPer in eve but if you get jumpped in your UBERL33TOMGWTFBS by 50 ibis (assuming you cant run or log) your going down! Sure you may take 75% of them with you but it all comes down to numbers.
3) The resources of the uber carebear are going to out last those of the uber PvPer. Eventually the pvper will be down to frigs while the carebear is still using cruiser of BS.
The final note.... I don't know a single HARD CORE PvPer that dosent have 1 or 2 "carebear" alts supporting their main...
Everyone has their place in eve.. well except for "the true cowards" Namly ore thiefs and scammers.
Just my thoughts....
-CYVOK-
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alphawolf2929
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Posted - 2005.02.02 03:37:00 -
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well said.
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Nitalya
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Posted - 2005.02.02 08:07:00 -
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Ok all this talk of Hate for the carebears saddins me... you all gota look at it like this... they are our slaves. they mine the minerals and build the ships. outfitting there cargo ships in 29% expanders for us to blow them up lot there can and sell on the market so we can buy the ships they mined for and built.. so if it werent for carebears we wouldnt have isk to buy ships. we would have to mine for ourselfs and we all know how much that sucks. just my 2 isk on the subject
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Nitalya
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Posted - 2005.02.02 08:07:00 -
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Edited by: Nitalya on 02/02/2005 08:08:58
GRRR dbl post
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2005.02.02 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nitalya
Ok all this talk of Hate for the carebears saddins me... you all gota look at it like this... they are our slaves. they mine the minerals and build the ships. outfitting there cargo ships in 29% expanders for us to blow them up lot there can and sell on the market so we can buy the ships they mined for and built.. so if it werent for carebears we wouldnt have isk to buy ships. we would have to mine for ourselfs and we all know how much that sucks. just my 2 isk on the subject
good point, personally i beleive it's more symbiotic, the carebears mine the minerals for the ships, which we blow up, which in turn makes more room on the market for carebears to sell ships.
if no one PvP'd, there'd soon be a market crash for minerals because no one would loose their ship other to the odd LVL4 agent mission, and every carebear wouldn't be able to sell their 10 Apocs.
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Billy McGar
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Posted - 2005.02.02 12:24:00 -
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Basically no miners no shiny new ship.
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MrMorph
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Posted - 2005.02.02 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rift Scorn
Originally by: Nitalya
Ok all this talk of Hate for the carebears saddins me... you all gota look at it like this... they are our slaves. they mine the minerals and build the ships. outfitting there cargo ships in 29% expanders for us to blow them up lot there can and sell on the market so we can buy the ships they mined for and built.. so if it werent for carebears we wouldnt have isk to buy ships. we would have to mine for ourselfs and we all know how much that sucks. just my 2 isk on the subject
good point, personally i beleive it's more symbiotic, the carebears mine the minerals for the ships, which we blow up, which in turn makes more room on the market for carebears to sell ships.
if no one PvP'd, there'd soon be a market crash for minerals because no one would loose their ship other to the odd LVL4 agent mission, and every carebear wouldn't be able to sell their 10 Apocs.
Do they give a discount ?
I want 5, but only if it comes with a free inflatable "Rift for president" doll.
Wich i ofcource would nail to the sealing to look at while i lay in my bed praying.
Oh....and....yeah....yr right :)
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.02.02 14:34:00 -
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Well although PvPers need carebears, I don't think carebears need PvPers.
Carebears aren't all just miners and builders, they are also agent runners and NPC hunters. Once they lose ships to that they will want new ones which will be supplied by their miner builder comrades.
The thing I don't understand is the raw hate some people have for the ones that choose not to fight in this game. They have some kind of religious mantra never to mine, like picking up a mining laser is sacrilege. They will go on and on about slaughtering carebears and chasing them out of the game; if I remember correctly there was / is even a corp called "Carebear Exterminators".
And the absolute best part, is that after all this hate and upset moaning, they tell carebears to stop moaning. And of course the all time classic: It's Just A GameÖ
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Siddy
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Posted - 2005.02.02 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: siim
carebears are responsible of all of the nerfs we have gotten
most of pvp nerfs at least...
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Attrezzo Pox
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Posted - 2005.02.02 18:03:00 -
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I like miners. I like to make agreements with them and get paid for having fun. That's the best really. I protect them and they give me free stuff and isk. It's a good deal. I'm glad mining hasn't turned out like the cleric or monk or healer or whatever in every other game. Someone's gotta do it. And if you're a miner reading this... if I ever stop you you don't have to empty your cargo hold. It might be a good day for me and I'll just ask for a few mil and let you go about your way. Hell I might be able to persuade a few blockades to put up their guns for a cut.
I don't like people who spam in local (threats boring smack without a purpose), people who get really angry when they're scrambled and webbed and refuse to pay, and people who macro mine or steal from a corp/alliance to sell isk on e-bay.
BTW spam can be good. You can smack talk your enemy into making a dumb mistake sometimes. For instance once I was helping take a station and talking to the miners inside. A few of em had just logged on and I docked cause I ran out of missles. in the confusion of just logging on and not knowing their station was being taken, and also seeing me talk all friendly with their buds in local the idgets gave me missles!!!! LOTS of em. In fact I still have quite a stash... Other times people have gone wayy out of their way to attack me and been ganked or something. By far the EASIEST way to get someone to do something dumb is to flirt with their gf. That'll get a guy red in the face and before you know it you have one more kill mail to add to the list. |
Raeth Mosom
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Posted - 2005.02.02 21:39:00 -
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It's the circle of life and economics with the free peoples of EVE. It is the cycle of supply and demand.
Without the carebears mining, prices for anything ore/mineral related would go through the roof. On the other hand if all carebears were allowed to mine safely...and supplies were greater then demand...prices would drop making things much cheaper.
So if you want things cheap, leave carebears to their boreing pastime and go after other PVPers where there is a challenge, not shooting fish in a barrel.
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