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Babyface Eighteen
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Posted - 2011.03.04 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Babyface Eighteen on 04/03/2011 19:24:58
If you go to a camera store in Times Square NY and buy a 2GB memory card for 70$ you just got scammed. True story, and the seller even offered to put the memory card into the camera and take a picture of the buyer. I have the picture on my computer, and wow do I appreciate it!
But enough of my lack of street smart and ignorance concerning memory card prices. Lets go back to EVE.
Isnt this usually what happen in the market ALL day long? If it didnt happen, how else would people make isk without lifting a finger? Buy orders, sell orders? You are either scamming or getting scammed. Its all about exploiting ignorant people, or people who have so much isk that they dont care about prices.
So yeah, if you trade in EVE online and earn alot of isk. You are by definition a scammer.
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Mini Tee
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Posted - 2011.03.04 19:32:00 -
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I KNOW RITE? Barbers and Mechanics are also total scammers, I mean who can't cut their own hair or fix their car on their own? STUPID PEOPLE I TELL YOU THEY GIVE THEIR MONEY AWAY JUST LIKE THAT.
Sometimes they don't even want to grow fruits or livestock themselves, they are just so lazy and RICH ****! They go to the supermarket and buy PREMADE FOOD WTF?????? SCAMMERS EVERYWHERE I CANT BELIEVE IT.
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Dariah Stardweller
Gallente
NO U111 Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.03.04 19:38:00 -
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Yes, giving ppl the ability to sell their stuff instantly at around 10% lower than average is clearly scamming!
I shall stop this at once and go back to grinding missions like morally healthy ppl 
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Final Revision
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Posted - 2011.03.04 19:47:00 -
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Troll?
Ah hell, I'll bite.
Not at all. "Traders" come in many different flavors - from in-station regional folks, to cross-regional cargo carriers.
The general gist is traders provide (and are compensated for) a service that makes life easier for their customers. For example say you're on the run and just trying to quickly dump off your weekly POS output, pick up fuel, and get back to the POS before anyone notices you're no longer around to defend the structure. In Jita, traders provide you the buying service and fuel products for compensation in the form of profit margin. And in return, you don't have to deal with the .01 price hassle - instead you get your money and product upfront.
The only "scam" comes in the form of the long, boring hours a trader gets to spend in front of the boring market/wallet/asset/etc UI. The "game" called EVE can easy become a "job" where "modify order" is your only friend and alt-F4 the only escape ;)
Don't believe me? Try it out sometime! It may be boring, but people are busy folks and their need for instant gratification can be very profitable.
Why else would MD be such a popular forum?
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Edana Jah
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Posted - 2011.03.04 19:50:00 -
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1/10
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Babyface Eighteen
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Posted - 2011.03.04 19:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Mini Tee
I KNOW RITE? Barbers and Mechanics are also total scammers, I mean who can't cut their own hair or fix their car on their own? STUPID PEOPLE I TELL YOU THEY GIVE THEIR MONEY AWAY JUST LIKE THAT.
True. Take hairdresser. Some of them take you directly to the "hairwashing area". I love this tactic! They dont even ask if the customer want to wash the hair, they just assume it and therefore they can add some extra dollars to the bill. Last time I was at the hairdresser I was asked if i wanted a hairwash. Why ask when you can assume and almost NEVER get a no. I love it.
And mechanics. Lol, dont get me started.
And no. RL market mechanism cant be compared to EVE. And you obv dont get what im saying so whoever dont understand this must be a huge failure as a trader.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2011.03.04 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Babyface Eighteen
So yeah, if you trade in life and earn alot of money. You are by definition a scammer.
Yeah, stuff all those people making a profit in life. Jail them buggers.
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Babyface Eighteen
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Posted - 2011.03.04 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Final Revision
Don't believe me? Try it out sometime! It may be boring, but people are busy folks and their need for instant gratification can be very profitable.
With this in mind. Do the camera stores at Time Square offer a service for "instant gratification", or are they scamming? Or both?
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Babyface Eighteen
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Posted - 2011.03.04 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
Yeah, stuff all those people making a profit in life. Jail them buggers.
Usually, you are. You play on the ignorance of the customers, therefore you have huge margins and will have a huge profit. Even if people dont feel scammed, it doesnt mean its not a scam.
Perfect example: Microsoft.
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Final Revision
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Posted - 2011.03.04 20:10:00 -
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*Looks outside*
Hey, it's Friday!
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Grimhowl
Heroes of NewEden
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Posted - 2011.03.04 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Grimhowl on 04/03/2011 20:21:12
Originally by: Babyface Eighteen
:words:
I can see that you have the skills of a business and have never overpaid for something without doing research first. Therefore this post must be to enlighten the masses and has nothing to do with lashing out due to being burned over a poor choice. I support your message that it isn't the consumer's fault that he doesn't research his products. I'm glad you're not one of those people suggesting that people protect themselves and instead blame those that sell for anything over base cost. Because, "opportunist" is the highest of all insults, am I right?
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2011.03.04 20:22:00 -
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Show me one successful implementation of your pseudo-socialist beliefs and I will embrace them.
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Edwin Rothbard
Interstellar Arbitrage
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Posted - 2011.03.04 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Babyface Eighteen
So yeah, if you trade in EVE online and earn alot of isk. You are by definition a scammer.
You might want to revisit the definitions for 'scammer,' 'fraudulent,' 'swindle,' and 'deceit.'
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Grimhowl
Heroes of NewEden
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Posted - 2011.03.04 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Grimhowl on 04/03/2011 20:26:53
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Show me one successful implementation of your pseudo-socialist beliefs and I will embrace them.
I hear North Korea is nice in the Spring. It's to die for and you wouldn't want to leave even if you were allowed to.
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Babyface Eighteen
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Posted - 2011.03.04 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: Babyface Eighteen on 04/03/2011 20:51:47
Well, im not a socialist or anything like that. I "scam" people all day long, and im not saying its wrong. Its the way it is. Scam the wrong word? Not really.
Maybe you earn a little isk from selling 10% over base cost. Go you, but you fail at EVE imo. Real money is not in normal trade. When I earn money on the market I play on the weakness of others. How is this any different from what Cosmo has done over the years. He was the one who put me on the idea to correlate trading to scaming. He took peoples money, and the investors thought they would earn isk. I take peoples money also, and they think they are doing great deals. The aware people realize they didnt, the ignorant continue to give me isk.
And no, you dont really earn alot of isk in 0.1 isk wars. You just waste your time when compared to the option.
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Grimhowl
Heroes of NewEden
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Posted - 2011.03.04 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Babyface Eighteen
Well, im not a socialist or anything like that. I "scam" people all day long, and im not saying its wrong. Its the way it is. Scam the wrong word? Not really.
Maybe you earn a little isk from selling 10% over base cost. Go you, but you fail at EVE imo. Real money is not in normal trade. When I earn money on the market I play on the weakness of others. How is this any different from what Cosmo has done over the years. He was the one who put me on the idea to correlate trading to scaming. He took peoples money and the investors thought they would earn isk. I take peoples money also and they think they are doing great deals. The aware people realize they didnt, the ignorant continue to give me is.
And no, you dont really earn alot of isk in 0.1 isk wars. You just waste your time when compared to the option.
Actually... you're forgetting a few important things. To those that are content with a quick buy or sell trading isn't something they enjoy. This is a game and so that is paramount. Further, if their business is in other things then the less time they spend on buying/selling/hauling the more time can be spent on more fun or even potentially more lucrative activities. Making the best profit in a single transaction on the market is time consuming and there's no reason to waste your time for an extra small profit when other avenues are open to you. Time is a resource that you seem to think others are stupid for valuing. This is a mistake and is disingenuous. I don't believe that you're unaware of this fact, you just like to pretend you're smarter than others by ignoring legitimate reasons for the economy to work the way it does. In this way you've come off as significantly less intelligent than you probably are. I've been wrong in the past though; maybe I'm giving you too much credit.
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Babyface Eighteen
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Posted - 2011.03.04 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Grimhowl
Actually... you're forgetting a few important things. To those that are content with a quick buy or sell trading isn't something they enjoy.
2 scenarios.
1. They give up a small profitt, others dont earn any real money from them so they dont get scammed.
2. They are scamming themselves.
Isk is funding all the fun activities in the game. The more isk you have, the more time you can spend on fun activities and less on non fun activities. And even if you find the non fun activities fun, you need isk to make the non fun activities more fun.
Also, you are assuming most people understand the market. They dont.
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Dallmarr
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Posted - 2011.03.04 23:14:00 -
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was going to make a long ass post about RL vs MMO money, scamming, pricing and "value" as it pertains to everything.
I'll just leave you with this:
once you start putting "value" on in-game money and time played, some of the magic of playing a MMO goes away and you will never get it back. Your innocence is lost in a way.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.03.04 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dallmarr
was going to make a long ass post about RL vs MMO money, scamming, pricing and "value" as it pertains to everything.
I'll just leave you with this:
once you start putting "value" on in-game money and time played, some of the magic of playing a MMO goes away and you will never get it back. Your innocence is lost in a way.
Innocence in EVE is to be stomped on and taunted at every opportunity, we will not stand for it in this mmo. ;)
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Capt Banelings
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Posted - 2011.03.04 23:31:00 -
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Walmart is the biggest scammer of all! Those *******s buy products cheap from China then turns around and sells them to us honest hard working Americans for a huge profit! I demand to be able to buy stuff from China directly!!!!
Also while i am ranting.. WHAT THE **** IS THE DEAL WITH POPCORN AT MOVIES COSTING $7.50! The next time i go watch a movie I am going to bring my own microwave from home and make my own popcorn. AMC and Century theater are scammers!
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Babyface Eighteen
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Posted - 2011.03.04 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dallmarr
once you start putting "value" on in-game money and time played, some of the magic of playing a MMO goes away and you will never get it back. Your innocence is lost in a way.
Yeah, because we live in an objective world where stuff like "value" is given. Currently my goal in the game is to earn money, time spent doing other stuff then obtaining more money is an interruption and dont have any "magic" involved. Taking other peoples money on the other hand, now thats magic.
Others might have other goals. Whateever that might be, time spent doing other stuff that is not in alignment with reaching the goal is an interruption. And the goal usually involve isk in one way or the other.
Originally by: Capt Banelings
Walmart is the biggest scammer of all! Those *******s buy products cheap from China then turns around and sells them to us honest hard working Americans for a huge profit! I demand to be able to buy stuff from China directly!!!!
Walmart aint = capsuleer
Besides. Buying stuff directly from China aint a problem. I just bought a crappy tablet from China, and I was scammed. My plan is to use it to scam others in RL. 100% profit margin with ease.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.05 00:24:00 -
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Troll or not, there is an element of truth in this.
I made a fair amount of my early money 'bundling' stuff and selling the whole for more (though not insanely more) than the parts were worth.
It's a matter of degree. But to be a 'true' scammer you must actively attempt to deceive. There is no deception involved with a sell order (unless it's like an escrow scam.)
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Kaztor Troy
Minmatar
The Nietzsche Followers
Shades of Gray
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Posted - 2011.03.05 00:34:00 -
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Traders provide liquidity, and profit from that.
Problem? 
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Babyface Eighteen
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Posted - 2011.03.05 01:32:00 -
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I am a trader...
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Khanid Voltar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.03.05 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Babyface Eighteen
Usually, you are. You play on the ignorance of the customers, therefore you have huge margins and will have a huge profit. Even if people dont feel scammed, it doesnt mean its not a scam.
Perfect example: Apple.
FYP
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Hieronimus Rex
Minmatar
Infinitus Sapientia
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Posted - 2011.03.09 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Babyface Eighteen
Edited by: Babyface Eighteen on 04/03/2011 19:24:58
If you go to a camera store in Times Square NY and buy a 2GB memory card for 70$ you just got scammed. True story, and the seller even offered to put the memory card into the camera and take a picture of the buyer. I have the picture on my computer, and wow do I appreciate it!quote]
No, you engaged in a voluntary transaction for mutual expected benefit. Call it a "scam" if you want...
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.09 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Babyface Eighteen
If you go to a camera store in Times Square NY and buy a 2GB memory card for 70$ you just got scammed.
If you buy a beer in the bar for 15$ when the shop at the next corner sells it at 0.50$, do you call that a scam too ?
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Princess Strawberry
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Posted - 2011.03.09 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Khanid Voltar
Originally by: Babyface Eighteen
Usually, you are. You play on the ignorance of the customers, therefore you have huge margins and will have a huge profit. Even if people dont feel scammed, it doesnt mean its not a scam.
Perfect example: Apple.
FYP
Damn you beat me to it  Wall Street loves Apple because their margins are insane, around 40% on the hardware. Partly the combination of not having a slot for a memory card and hugely overpricing memory (compare the price of a 16GB and 32GB iPhone and tell me it's worth the difference), partly their shiny shiny branding... Steve Jobs is as much a scammer as anyone in Jita local saying they're leaving Eve and have put all their stuff up on a contract... he's obviously a bit better at it than those guys though, I have never fallen for the scams of Eve but I opened my wallet for an iPhone...
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Patri Andari
Caldari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2011.03.09 03:35:00 -
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Naw man, you don't even understand the level of scam. I tell you the worst! Those guys with the umbrellas that break out the gear just when a showers starts!
Oh yeah, they act like your best friend and all, offering shelter from the rain but those umbrellas have at least a 20% mark up!
Scammers!
Patri
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Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
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Posted - 2011.03.09 06:13:00 -
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Your entire argument is rendered moot by the fact that you spent 70$ on a 2 gig memory card. You are an idiot.
By the way, you did not get scammed when buying that card. You paid the price THAT card cost as chosen by the person selling it. It would only have been a scam if they lied to you and told you that it was the cheapest card in the city.
Did they tell you that is was the cheapest 2 gig memory card in the city? Did they tell you it had magical powers that would make your camera see through peoples cloths? Did they sell you 512mb card labeled as a 2 gig card?
The responsibility for getting the best price for something is on the person buying it. I can place what ever value I want on things that I am selling. If you think that value is to high don't buy it.
I just want to reiterate that you are an idiot.
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