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Eternal Noob	Posted - 2011.03.05 20:09:00 - [1] I was thinking after buying a skillbook about what is supposed to be happening, role-play wise, when you "train a skill." EVE is hyper-futuristic specifically when it comes to bio-augmentation. We clone ourselves, plug all sorts of devices into our brains, and live in a small vat of fluid for long periods of time. So, it goes without saying (at least to me) that "buying a skillbook" has absolutely nothing to do with a physical book. But do you imagine that a skillbook is like an intensive interactive device that plunges you into a hologram of classroom type instruction? Or maybe an implant of its own that does this same thing? Do you have to learn its content in roughly the same procedure as traditional learning, or, do you just sit back and let the training module hardwire your brain over time to just know the subject at the desired skill level? I guess if it's traditional learning, you couldn't use the module/device/whatever while you are PVPing or actively piloting, even though the game mechanics cannot reflect this. Anyway I wonder what your own role-play concepts are of skill training.
Javid Trakya	Posted - 2011.03.05 20:15:00 - [2] I imagine it to be a matrix-style affair, with the main exception being it taking far longer.
Kieron VonDeux	Posted - 2011.03.05 20:24:00 - [3] A low strength signal slowly burning in the highly complex nerve pathways of the relevent skill into the brain. Of course, it has diminshing returns as time goes on. It tales a lot longer to gain an additional retention as the pathways become highly developed.
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.03.05 20:36:00 - [4] nanobot programming. it gives sense to "inject skill". ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.03.05 20:44:00 - [5] Originally by: Javid Trakya I imagine it to be a matrix-style affair, with the main exception being it taking far longer. demands the skill book kung fu for incarna
Pyrosomniac Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.05 20:59:00 - [6] I've always thought that the skill book "items" were a form of digital media that is gradually installed into your brain in parts. So maybe they're audiobooks or something similar. I also considered if they were closer to implants. If they were computer chips integrated into your brain/pod, then why do they not take immediate effect as if level 5, or like implants such as hardwirings or attribute boosts? Well maybe they're working with a different part of the brain, and they require time to properly associate with the brain tissue and neural network. Hardwirings would directly inject this info into your brain, but due to the size/area of the part of the brain, only 5 can be implanted. Still, I'd love to know more about it (or how CCP sees it)
Feligast Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.05 21:09:00 - [7] I see it more of a Ben Stein style droning on in your pod during those long warps.
Eternal Noob	Posted - 2011.03.05 21:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Jagga Spikes nanobot programming. it gives sense to "inject skill". Nice, so it's like the shampoo in "Metropia"
Valeronx Celestial Horizon Corp. Fallen Angels Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.05 21:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Kieron VonDeux A low strength signal slowly burning in the highly complex nerve pathways of the relevent skill into the brain. Of course, it has diminshing returns as time goes on. It tales a lot longer to gain an additional retention as the pathways become highly developed. I imagined it to be pretty much this. And it is done on a subconcious level, which is why you don't have to pause the training when you go into an intensive event like combat. The skill is slowly trickled into your brain when the Pilot is awake or resting, browing the Market or shooting at other Pilots. .
Passageway Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.05 21:23:00 - [10] I just wish we could inject a skillbook for which we're training the prerequisites. For example, my frigate construction 4 ends in the middle of the night, but I can't inject cruiser construction until I wake up, so I have to partially train something else. Pain in the arse!

mkmin	Posted - 2011.03.05 21:39:00 - [11] Originally by: Passageway I just wish we could inject a skillbook for which we're training the prerequisites. For example, my frigate construction 4 ends in the middle of the night, but I can't inject cruiser construction until I wake up, so I have to partially train something else. Pain in the arse! You're right. We should go back to the pre-queue days where that time would have been completely wasted when you don't plan your skills very well. But in seriousness, why would you be able to inject a skill you can't train? It would probably take a complete revamp of how skill training works to get what you're wanting, and it's only a small annoyance, not a feature breaker.
Atedar Kerane Silentium Mortalitas	Posted - 2011.03.05 21:49:00 - [12] In my EVE, my character retreats to the captains quaters in the ship, lights up the fireplace and sits back in his favorite chair with a whiskey and cigar, gently turning the pages of a big red book on his lap
Slapsy	Posted - 2011.03.05 21:52:00 - [13] Originally by: mkmin Originally by: Passageway I just wish we could inject a skillbook for which we're training the prerequisites. For example, my frigate construction 4 ends in the middle of the night, but I can't inject cruiser construction until I wake up, so I have to partially train something else. Pain in the arse! You're right. We should go back to the pre-queue days where that time would have been completely wasted when you don't plan your skills very well. But in seriousness, why would you be able to inject a skill you can't train? It would probably take a complete revamp of how skill training works to get what you're wanting, and it's only a small annoyance, not a feature breaker. I can only respond with another question - why wouldn't you? If you can train the skill, then injecting it is still dumping a huge quantity of data into your brain, which won't start being processed until you begin training it. So, a skill that you couldn't immediately train would do exactly the same thing. I'm not saying the way skill training works behind the scenes wouldn't present a different problem, and certainly not an insoluble one. In fact, I can't really see much point in changing it. I'm just rambling, and can't quite recall what I intended to post in the first place. Let's just have cake and forget all this.
Boltorano Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2011.03.05 21:53:00 - [14] It's like The Matrix, but on a slower, more realisitic timescale.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.03.05 22:16:00 - [15] Originally by: Javid Trakya I imagine it to be a matrix-style affair, with the main exception being it taking far longer. Almost as long as just going to school, 21st century style ..
Myxx Risen Angels	Posted - 2011.03.05 22:28:00 - [16] Read "The empyrean age" book, theres bits in there on it.
MadMuppet Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.05 23:41:00 - [17] I envision a more 'Bart Simpson' view of it. Your subconscious loads up a huge blackboard and you need to write "When I finish I will be able to get s five times multiplier to my turret damage!" for three weeks until you finish. -M Two pencils, sharpened to a razor-like point, are my only defense.
Acac Sunflyier Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.05 23:50:00 - [18] @OP. I actually though of this before. What I think happens is you're downloading the book into your brain. And it, like other downloads takes a long time to get through the whole book. The first chapter (level 1) is easy so it takes a little amount of time. But as you go up and into the more complex chapters of things, it takes longer.
Captain Eliiot	Posted - 2011.03.06 00:10:00 - [19] My character sits in his bowling chair in his cabin looks at the 30 page text book and wonders why its going to take him 30 days to train.
Devil tiger	Posted - 2011.03.06 06:17:00 - [20] There's a lvl 2 caldari courier mission where the process is some what explained in in-game terms. Basically "Skill books" aren't really "books" in any traditional sense but complex softwares which are downloaded into your brain via the pod-link. Hence only capsuleers can use "skill books" the bleb's have to use the regular go-to-school/read-a-book method.

Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.03.06 07:38:00 - [21] Originally by: Devil tiger Basically "Skill books" aren't really "books" in any traditional sense but complex software which are downloaded into your brain via the pod-link. Hence only capsuleers can use "skill books" the pleb's have to use the regular go-to-school/read-a-book method. This. By the way, real men biomass when they emoragequit.

CCP Spitfire C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.06 08:31:00 - [22] Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'. Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

sableye principle of motion	Posted - 2011.03.07 00:34:00 - [23] Originally by: Slapsy Originally by: mkmin Originally by: Passageway I just wish we could inject a skillbook for which we're training the prerequisites. For example, my frigate construction 4 ends in the middle of the night, but I can't inject cruiser construction until I wake up, so I have to partially train something else. Pain in the arse! You're right. We should go back to the pre-queue days where that time would have been completely wasted when you don't plan your skills very well. But in seriousness, why would you be able to inject a skill you can't train? It would probably take a complete revamp of how skill training works to get what you're wanting, and it's only a small annoyance, not a feature breaker. I can only respond with another question - why wouldn't you? If you can train the skill, then injecting it is still dumping a huge quantity of data into your brain, which won't start being processed until you begin training it. So, a skill that you couldn't immediately train would do exactly the same thing. I'm not saying the way skill training works behind the scenes wouldn't present a different problem, and certainly not an insoluble one. In fact, I can't really see much point in changing it. I'm just rambling, and can't quite recall what I intended to post in the first place. Let's just have cake and forget all this. it branches of the neural path ways the previosu skilsl make, it can't inject until those are made because it can't always predict the outcome of werhere them neural pathways will end with each brain being differnt. ----------------------------------------- View The North Star! In All Its Glory!!
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2011.03.07 16:32:00 - [24] Originally by: Javid Trakya I imagine it to be a matrix-style affair, with the main exception being it taking far longer. I insist that..."there is no spoon".
Esna Pitoojee Amarr Knighthood of the Merciful Crown	Posted - 2011.03.07 17:37:00 - [25] I have 2 major theories about how skillbooks work. The first is the "conscious optimization" theory, in which the skillbook is consciously tutoring the pilot in the use of whatever it is. Think online seminar, except that the nature of capsuleer implants means that we can consume and absorb this information at a vastly higher rate than if one were simply listening to a lecturer talk. The second is the "unconscious rewiring" theory. This theory says that the skillbook contains a set of pre-recorded instructions which, by nanobot, viral vector, or pre-configured protein delivery, cause your brain to form and trigger new neural pathways. The systems may even "cycle" the new neural connections to acclimate your brain to those suddenly-existing pathways being fired, possibly explaining why higher skill levels take longer to train - you're not learning new information all the time, you're just acclimating your brain to the sensation and grinding it into your neurons. It's worth noting the theories aren't mutually exclusive - I could easily see the training process being something like "Well, capsuleer, today we're going to learn how to fire a mega pulse laser... first, let's go over the theories of battleship-size energy turret heat dispersion..." Brain rewiring things happen during long, boring lecture. "...and this is how firing a mega pulse laser feels!" Sensation of firing is 'played' in the brain. "Got that? Good. Let's go over that a few hundred times..." ---------------------------------------------- Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you. My statments do not represent the opinions, views, or actions of my corp.


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