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Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.26 16:14:00 -
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I for one hope CCP keeps EVE in 'maintenance mode' atleast a lil bit longer, the more balanced the game is the happier we shall be, and the more optimized and better running the game is for me, the happier I shall be. Those who expect to reap the blessings of-áfreedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
681
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Posted - 2012.08.26 18:03:00 -
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Shirley Serious wrote:Eh, making something useful out of Incarna may never happen.
Compelling people to get out of their spaceship to use station services would lead to a lot of anger amongst players, so that's out of the question, which leads to the question of what Incarna is For ? The answer at present is "Not Much". There is talk of "socialising" and "roleplaying", but those have always taken a back seat to game mechanics.
Making Incarna as a "roleplaying" environment might be good for ~1000 or less players. But there are 300,000 active players. So, without a compelling game mechanics reason for Incarna, it's simply not going to happen.
There was a recent demonstration, of hilariously early development build, of exploring a space structure with a spacesuited avatar of your eve character. Which may eventually lead to something.
But at the moment, Incarna has to take a back seat, DUST takes priority.
They have to get DUST right, and integrated right, otherwise it all comes crashing down.
another one who knows the numbers yeah right
I really hope for your and for the rest of EvE that Dust will be a succes
Bc Dust is a greater resource loss then Incarna will ever be ,if that consolecrap fails If Dust has social areas ,then vanishing the blog is not an CCP decision ,but an all exclusive Sony decision |
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
681
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Posted - 2012.08.26 19:06:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Chatting is fun while holding on a titan.
thats more questionable i think
If Dust has social areas ,then vanishing the blog is not an CCP decision ,but an all exclusive Sony decision |
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
681
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Posted - 2012.08.26 19:11:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:I for one hope CCP keeps EVE in 'maintenance mode' atleast a lil bit longer, the more balanced the game is the happier we shall be, and the more optimized and better running the game is for me, the happier I shall be.
Rebalancing does not need all of CCP devs Making the connection between Dust and EvE does. and Dust is a feature that a lott of the community don,t use. that is of course an assumption ,bc i don,t have the numbers If Dust has social areas ,then vanishing the blog is not an CCP decision ,but an all exclusive Sony decision |
Saren Delektroi
Jan VanRijkdom IInvestments
0
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Posted - 2012.08.26 22:00:00 -
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Myxx wrote:Saren Delektroi wrote:Pfft... people have been asking CCP for years to go into 'maintenance mode' for a while and prioritize fixes before content.
And now that they have (or you perceive that they have), you want content.
This thread is a facepalm. The fallacy here is I've (as in, just me, the player) never told CCP to go into maint mode. Where is the facepalm in seeing a bunch of great ideas get sidelined and being frustrated with it? One of my major (and really my only really 'big' one) problem with CCP is their insistence on going into micro transactions. Yes, others have basically whined for that for a while. I don't agree entirely with that direction. I think a bunch of crap needs to get updated and reworked and that it can be done with simply redoing it from the ground up. This would probably result in entirely new mechanics and, hopefully, content.
Uh, huh....
I went and checked. After reading this, I'm going to need you to hold still while I back away quickly so I don't catch your crazy. |
Hai Boiz
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.08.26 22:08:00 -
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Myxx wrote:When will me and my friends be able to own our own bar in a station somewhere of our choosing?
Right about the same time I open 'HAI BOIZ HOUSE OF PLEASURE AND PAIN'. Which will not be to long of a wait I hope.
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Myxx
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
566
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Posted - 2012.08.26 22:38:00 -
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Saren Delektroi wrote:Myxx wrote:Saren Delektroi wrote:Pfft... people have been asking CCP for years to go into 'maintenance mode' for a while and prioritize fixes before content.
And now that they have (or you perceive that they have), you want content.
This thread is a facepalm. The fallacy here is I've (as in, just me, the player) never told CCP to go into maint mode. Where is the facepalm in seeing a bunch of great ideas get sidelined and being frustrated with it? One of my major (and really my only really 'big' one) problem with CCP is their insistence on going into micro transactions. Yes, others have basically whined for that for a while. I don't agree entirely with that direction. I think a bunch of crap needs to get updated and reworked and that it can be done with simply redoing it from the ground up. This would probably result in entirely new mechanics and, hopefully, content. Uh, huh.... I went and checked. After reading this, I'm going to need you to hold still while I back away quickly so I don't catch your crazy. Not the craziest thing I've ever posted. Come on, dig harder. |
Pipa Porto
837
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Posted - 2012.08.27 02:18:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:James 315 wrote:Myxx wrote:When will me and my friends be able to own our own bar in a station somewhere of our choosing? If you want to hang out in a bar, hang out in a bar. EVE is for flying spaceships, which you can't do every day in real life. The old EvE is Spaceship only quote ,how original
That does happen to be the game we all signed up for (except those players who signed up after Incarna). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
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Jim Era
Genco Fatal Ascension
1364
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Posted - 2012.08.27 03:05:00 -
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CCP #1 |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.27 03:17:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:James 315 wrote:Myxx wrote:When will me and my friends be able to own our own bar in a station somewhere of our choosing? If you want to hang out in a bar, hang out in a bar. EVE is for flying spaceships, which you can't do every day in real life. The old EvE is Spaceship only quote ,how original That does happen to be the game we all signed up for (except those players who signed up after Incarna). I agree, there are loads of MMOs on the market that provide all sorts of ambulations with varying degrees of success, but hardly any that provide spaceship combat and exploration within an immense single shard universe populated by people from all over the world. If people want to run around and spam emotes at each other and chase after fancy pants there are so many other games to do that in, keep EVE about the space and the spaceships please. Those who expect to reap the blessings of-áfreedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it. |
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Volar Kang
Quartz Research Strategic Alliance
14
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Posted - 2012.08.27 03:45:00 -
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To me, it is more like CCP has A.D.D. They come up with a great idea (PI) and then put in the basics and then they move on to walking in stations, put in the foundation and then move on to another idea. Listen to CCP talk about PI and what it was going to be about. It is not even close to what they talked about at fanfest YEARS ago.
I just wish they could make a list and focus on the list and not move to the next item until the previous item is at least 75% done. It just seems like they continue to put foundations in and then leave the system abandoned while they work on the next big idea that does not actually affect Eve such as WoD or Dust. |
Ghazu
58
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Posted - 2012.08.27 03:47:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ghazu wrote:Chatting is fun while holding on a titan. thats more questionable i think
Why sure it is fun to be a part of a full fleet of 256 dudes, holding our dicks on the titan cus once in a while we get to blow our loads http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14448183 I mean if you get off by the thought of a bunch of dudes emoting each other pretend-drinking in a bar on a computer screen then vOv.
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Jimmy Gunsmythe
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
147
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Posted - 2012.08.27 04:17:00 -
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Some promises should not be kept. A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
Conniver Canwin
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.27 05:05:00 -
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I generally could care less for the features in the OP.
I think I"m not alone on this, which is probably why CCP isn't prioritizing such stuff. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2012.08.27 05:20:00 -
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Myxx wrote:First off, I KNOW it isn't in maintenance mode, but thats how it seems on the surface at times. I've seen over the last few months a bunch of amazing brainstorming ideas from notably, Soundwave and Bayesian. Soundwave's idea of ring mining and pos revamp is frikking amazing and needed to happen a long time ago. Likewise, why did the Incarna devblog get swallowed up? It seems like the last expansion, a couple before it and apparently (this is me being jaded btw) the next one for winter isn't going to have anything remotely tangible in it. I dunno, I'm just wondering, because I'm not far from being able to fly every single subcap ingame and fit them however I want. Stuff I'm wondering about and wanting to see happen in no particular order, just any of it would be nice: When will PI be something that does something other than serve to give me arthritis? When will me and my friends be able to own our own bar in a station somewhere of our choosing? When will I be able to fully separate myself from the need for stations via greyscale's "small holdings" concept? when will ring mining happen? when will I be able to consider wanting to deal with starbases again because they're not just a giant alliance/corporation asset to look after and babysit? In other words, is CCP just taunting us with these ideas, or are they going to happen at some point within the next 2-3 years? Because, right now, its hard sometimes to see CCP's attention span holding out long enough to do any of it.
I started New Years Eve of 2009 and they still haven't put lots of things in that they were talking about then. |
Dajli
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.08.27 13:42:00 -
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Mark my words, DUST 514 comes out and gets subscribers on board then Sony announces they are buying CCP. Just you wait and see.
You will have more development, just not in the way you'd want it. |
Myxx
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
569
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Posted - 2012.08.27 14:02:00 -
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Dajli wrote:Mark my words, DUST 514 comes out and gets subscribers on board then Sony announces they are buying CCP. Just you wait and see.
You will have more development, just not in the way you'd want it. That would be unfortunate, because thats the line where I push eject and GTFO. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
681
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:15:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ghazu wrote:Chatting is fun while holding on a titan. thats more questionable i think Why sure it is fun to be a part of a full fleet of 256 dudes, holding our dicks on the titan cus once in a while we get to blow our loads http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14448183I mean if you get off by the thought of a bunch of dudes emoting each other pretend-drinking in a bar on a computer screen then vOv.
Another one obsessed with emoting and possible a barbie trauma too i guess.
You guys keep bringing that sh*t up every time again and again and don,t want to talk about the extra WIS could add to EvE .if done in a good way. Sure ,a lot want to have the social areas,but thats could only be a side affect to WIS ,If WIS is done right I want some social stuff in it,but only corp and /or consolecrap (planetbarbies ) related i don,t care about bars or poker or dancing .
If Dust has social areas ,then vanishing the blog is not an CCP decision ,but an all exclusive Sony decision |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:22:00 -
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Dajli wrote:Mark my words, DUST 514 comes out and gets subscribers on board then Sony announces they are buying CCP. Just you wait and see. NooOoo we must realize that thoughts influence reality and NEVER talk about the thing that could be but has not yet become. Those who expect to reap the blessings of-áfreedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it. |
highonpop
Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension
240
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:25:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote::summertime:
I was talking to a dude who used to work for ccp tonight and he said there's only like 5 dudes there in the summer.
Literally.
It because summer is the only time in iceland you are not FORCED indoors.
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya |
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Emily Radcliffe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.08.27 17:26:00 -
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Gÿ+/ /Gûî /n++ \
This is Bob. Please copy/paste him elsewhere and help him take over the forums! |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
236
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:35:00 -
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Totally agree with the OP. |
Ghazu
59
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Posted - 2012.08.28 02:03:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ghazu wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ghazu wrote:Chatting is fun while holding on a titan. thats more questionable i think Why sure it is fun to be a part of a full fleet of 256 dudes, holding our dicks on the titan cus once in a while we get to blow our loads http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14448183I mean if you get off by the thought of a bunch of dudes emoting each other pretend-drinking in a bar on a computer screen then vOv. Another one obsessed with emoting and possible a barbie trauma too i guess. You guys keep bringing that sh*t up every time again and again and don,t want to talk about the extra WIS could add to EvE .if done in a good way. Sure ,a lot want to have the social areas,but thats could only be a side affect to WIS ,If WIS is done right I want some social stuff in it,but only corp and /or consolecrap (planetbarbies ) related i don,t care about bars or poker or dancing .
It's just too risky with all the dressup-emote loving barbie freaks around. They are the ones holding back wis.
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
174
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Posted - 2012.08.28 02:32:00 -
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To be honest I'm not as upset about them not adding new stuff as I am about them adding 'watered down' content.
Almost everything they talk and rave about in blogs and fanfest presentations ends up a kind of poor approximation.
I mean, remember the awesome "sleeper AI" that was going to revolutionise NPCs in game and roll out across the board? Well I guess we're still waiting on that one.
In the crucible of truth it boils down to one factor - Money. Development time costs a lot of money, and I'm fairly sure CCP developers would love to let their imaginations run riot and do all the things they talk about, but when their management tells them actually the developers don't have the budget (time) required for each feature that is when we see content delivered in the fashion we're now accustomed to (watered down).
The money men at CCP are satisfied to keep the players in our current state - low expectations, hyping up the diminishing deliveries but still without any real competitor they can afford to do it because even if just the hardcore stayed I'm sure they could still turn a profit from them.
Just my opinion, don't hate me! |
Myxx
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
572
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Posted - 2012.08.28 02:43:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote:To be honest I'm not as upset about them not adding new stuff as I am about them adding 'watered down' content.
Almost everything they talk and rave about in blogs and fanfest presentations ends up a kind of poor approximation.
I mean, remember the awesome "sleeper AI" that was going to revolutionise NPCs in game and roll out across the board? Well I guess we're still waiting on that one.
In the crucible of truth it boils down to one factor - Money. Development time costs a lot of money, and I'm fairly sure CCP developers would love to let their imaginations run riot and do all the things they talk about, but when their management tells them actually the developers don't have the budget (time) required for each feature that is when we see content delivered in the fashion we're now accustomed to (watered down).
The money men at CCP are satisfied to keep the players in our current state - low expectations, hyping up the diminishing deliveries but still without any real competitor they can afford to do it because even if just the hardcore stayed I'm sure they could still turn a profit from them.
Just my opinion, don't hate me! I don't actually disagree with you, to be honest. Thats part of why I'm frustrated. Theres so much they've said they were doing and were planning for... that just never even saw the light of the light of day, nor had a hope of it. |
Garresh
Deep Axion Ushra'Khan
38
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Posted - 2012.08.28 03:33:00 -
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Eve is huge. There's something out there for everyone. Right now, we have a huge amount of choice in terms of what we, as players, can do in eve. But despite that, there's a huge number of ships out there which are completely useless, and aren't applicable in *any* aspect of eve. Rebalancing and redesigning existing ships is great because it gives us more choices. Not only can we choose what we do, but now we're getting an increasing amount of options as to *how* we do what we do. That's going to be huge as they get deeper into their Tiericide project. Just be patient. It has wide-reaching implications that affect every single aspect of eve. When it finally reaches whatever it is that you focus on, you're going to have a lot more fun. |
Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.08.28 05:03:00 -
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After reading about it, I would interested in the "small holdings" bit, or a few tweaks to allow a more nomadic gameplay. If I could make a small unprobable base to keep my stash until I'm ready to trade or have some extra modules to switch out or repair that would be awesome. Might just be enough to get me out of high sec. |
Myxx
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
572
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Posted - 2012.08.28 05:24:00 -
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Matriarch Prime wrote:After reading about it, I would interested in the "small holdings" bit, or a few tweaks to allow a more nomadic gameplay. If I could make a small unprobable base to keep my stash until I'm ready to trade or have some extra modules to switch out or repair that would be awesome. Might just be enough to get me out of high sec.
That would be frikking awesome if I could be truly nomadic. Right now though its entirely unprofitable to do, which is kind of sad. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2012.08.28 05:31:00 -
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Garresh wrote:Eve is huge. There's something out there for everyone. Right now, we have a huge amount of choice in terms of what we, as players, can do in eve. But despite that, there's a huge number of ships out there which are completely useless, and aren't applicable in *any* aspect of eve. Rebalancing and redesigning existing ships is great because it gives us more choices. Not only can we choose what we do, but now we're getting an increasing amount of options as to *how* we do what we do. That's going to be huge as they get deeper into their Tiericide project. Just be patient. It has wide-reaching implications that affect every single aspect of eve. When it finally reaches whatever it is that you focus on, you're going to have a lot more fun.
Been waiting 3 years and 9 months. If any decent space game comes out Eve will die.
Ironically, a Dev posted why Ultima online died, and Eve paralleled his formula all the way to the last step, which was another game in the same genre being released.
Eve isn't "dying", but its standing on a cliff in a windstorm.
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2012.08.28 05:32:00 -
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Myxx wrote:Matriarch Prime wrote:After reading about it, I would interested in the "small holdings" bit, or a few tweaks to allow a more nomadic gameplay. If I could make a small unprobable base to keep my stash until I'm ready to trade or have some extra modules to switch out or repair that would be awesome. Might just be enough to get me out of high sec. That would be frikking awesome if I could be truly nomadic. Right now though its entirely unprofitable to do, which is kind of sad.
I assume you pay with plex? You could easily be nomadic if you were subbing. |
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