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Kordorix Ze	Posted - 2011.03.07 23:20:00 - [1] I've been searching the forums about maximizing RP/day for datacores, and I've seen all the relevant formulas - but there's still something I don't understand about effective standing. I've been grinding combat missions for my R&D corp and the "effective standing" with my R&D agents (seen next to their pic when I open a convo) has gone up a lot (9.2 atm), but my RP/day has not budged. I know that you sometimes have to open a convo to see things update, but that's not the issue here. What am I missing?
Melchiades Seti	Posted - 2011.03.07 23:30:00 - [2] I may be wrong, but I throught amount of RP was based on your level in the science they are researching for you. The standings issue comes into play in that it allows access to higher quality agents. Once you have that agent working for you, I thought standing changes were irrelevant. Perhaps someone else can conirm this.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.03.08 00:29:00 - [3] Edited by: Akita T on 08/03/2011 00:31:12 RP/day (also) depends on agent EQ, but NOT on standings with corp/faction of the agent. Agent EQ depends only on effective standing to that particular agent and the level of the negotiations skill, NOT on standings with corp/faction of the agent. "Grinding" standings with the agent's NPC corp or faction is pointless beyond minimum needed to simply access the agent. If you're interested in actual formula: RP/day = field multiplier * (agent level + your relevant science level) * (1 + Agent_EQ/100). _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Chelone Outside The Asylum	Posted - 2011.03.08 04:06:00 - [4] Hadn't thought about this one in a while. Would running the R&D missions increase agent standing/EQ? I seem to remember that it doesn't. I think the most you can get their standing up to is 2.0 from having connections 5, and fractional standing doesn't matter for EQ. So like, connections 3 gives the first actual boost (1.2), connections 4 doesn't matter (1.6) and connections 5 would be the final boost (2.0).
Kesshisan Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.08 05:25:00 - [5] Originally by: Akita T If you're interested in actual formula: RP/day = field multiplier * (agent level + your relevant science level) * (1 + Agent_EQ/100). According to the wiki the formula is: RP/day = Field multiplier * (1 + (AQ + 5N)/100) (SS + AL)^2 AQ = Agent Quality N = character's Negotiation skill level SS = character's specialist science field level (eg "Quantum Physics") AL = Agent Level Personally I'm not sure which is correct as I am very new to R&D myself. (Yours is missing the squared for Agent + Specialist Field level.) Where did you get your information from?
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.03.08 10:04:00 - [6] I get about 100 RP/day with Sitaleere Beene, for example. Sitaleere Beene is L4 Q16. My Plasma Physics skill is level 5, my negotiation skill is 3. According to the Research Agent Guide (long form here so folks can check my working): RP/day = Field multiplier * (1 + (AQ + 5N)/100) (SS + AL)^2 RP/day = 1 * (1 + (16 + 15)/100) * (5 + 4)^2 RP/day = 1 * (131/100) * 81 RP/day = 106 Which is what I'm getting. With the caveat that increasing your Negotiation skill doesn't take effect until you talk to the agent again. Thus you could have two L4 Q20 agents giving you different RP/day simply because you trained Negotiation up two levels in the meantime -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.03.08 12:09:00 - [7] Originally by: Kesshisan Yours is missing the squared for Agent + Specialist Field level. Typo. Squared is correct. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Nina Mercedez	Posted - 2011.03.08 13:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Chelone Hadn't thought about this one in a while. Would running the R&D missions increase agent standing/EQ? No. The agent standing figure might as well not exist.
Princess Strawberry	Posted - 2011.03.08 21:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Akita T Even more recently, if reports are to be believed, R&D agent missions now do grant agent standing bonuses, so theoretically you should be able to get up to +10 EQ from that by finally ramping up standings with all agents... but that ONLY if that is true (I haven't personally tested it). I have tested it, last week. Changed agents, did a mission, showed an increase in the number of RP/day, did another mission the next day, another (smaller) increase... lovely! I swear it never used to work like that. Well worth doing the research missions now. -------------------------------- http://eveonomics.blogspot.com/
Ariane VoxDei	Posted - 2011.03.08 21:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Kordorix Ze the "effective standing" with my R&D agents (seen next to their pic when I open a convo) has gone up a lot (9.2 atm), but my RP/day has not budged. Unless the mechanics have changed since pre-incursion 1.0, you have to do the following to get benefits from having improved your standing: 1) cash out all your RP with the agent (due to point 2) 2) stop research at the agent (kills your current RP pool) 3) start researching again, this makes the system recalculate the rate. It seems, from experience, that the RP rate is calculated only when you begin research at the agent, not when your standing changes, nor is it recalculated at downtime.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.03.08 21:37:00 - [11] Originally by: Ariane VoxDei It seems, from experience, that the RP rate is calculated only when you begin research at the agent It's actually recalculated every time you talk to the agent directly, but not only then. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Princess Strawberry	Posted - 2011.03.08 22:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Ariane VoxDei Unless the mechanics have changed since pre-incursion 1.0, you have to do the following to get benefits from having improved your standing: 1) cash out all your RP with the agent (due to point 2) 2) stop research at the agent (kills your current RP pool) 3) start researching again, this makes the system recalculate the rate. It seems, from experience, that the RP rate is calculated only when you begin research at the agent, not when your standing changes, nor is it recalculated at downtime. It never worked like that anyway, you only ever had to talk to the agent (although there was a common bug with the updated standings not being displayed unless you jumped through some hoops, which seems to be what you are describing). However it has changed recently. Now "Effective Standing" is definitely increased by doing missions, which definitely increases your RP. The change in RP is shown immediately, the moment I turned the mission in. Tested all this last week. To test this yourself, I would suggest starting with a new agent. Reason being that the RP increase is barely noticable on your 100th mission, but very noticable on the first few - like so many thing in Eve, there are significantly diminishing returns. -------------------------------- http://eveonomics.blogspot.com/
Ariane VoxDei	Posted - 2011.03.08 22:05:00 - [13] Can't say I talked to many, due to Carthum Conglomerate agents being so spread out that it is hardly worth the travel time. Sounds plausible though and can't hurt to try next time I can be bothered to collect. Not that it makes much difference from resetting, the loss is only half a datacore worth of RP per agent and I dont even collect on a monthly basis anymore, due to the agents being so spread out.
Princess Strawberry	Posted - 2011.03.08 22:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Ariane VoxDei Can't say I talked to many, due to Carthum Conglomerate agents being so spread out that it is hardly worth the travel time. Sounds plausible though and can't hurt to try next time I can be bothered to collect. Not that it makes much difference from resetting, the loss is only half a datacore worth of RP per agent and I dont even collect on a monthly basis anymore, due to the agents being so spread out. Yeah, wasn't trolling you mate, do try it. Don't know when the change came in but it's pretty recent. Missions worth doing now - at least a few missions anyway even if you only collect ocassionally, as I say diminishing returns after that. To demonstrate, the difference for doing my first mission on a level 4 agent was a bit under 1 RP/day, the second mission was only about 0.3 RP/day increase, so it's not massive but it'll mount up. -------------------------------- http://eveonomics.blogspot.com/
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.03.08 23:35:00 - [15] Originally by: Princess Strawberry Missions worth doing now - at least a few missions anyway even if you only collect ocassionally, as I say diminishing returns after that. To demonstrate, the difference for doing my first mission on a level 4 agent was a bit under 1 RP/day, the second mission was only about 0.3 RP/day increase, so it's not massive but it'll mount up. Hmm, that's a lot of extra RP for just two missions... IF what you say is true, then most likely, the first increase was the one that bumped you from null standings to over +1 base standings, thus kicking in the effect of the Connections skill (which you probably have at L5) for a 3-point increase in EQ, and the second mission merely increased your agent effective standing from 3 to 4. Still, that would imply a pretty damn huge standing increase from just one mission... can you look at the standings transaction log for that particular agent (you just open up the standings tab in your character sheet, find the agent, right click and select the log) and take a screenshot for us ? If what you said is true, then the transactions for those first two missions were over 10% each, which is quite a large increase. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Princess Strawberry	Posted - 2011.03.09 00:13:00 - [16] Originally by: Akita T Hmm, that's a lot of extra RP for just two missions... IF what you say is true, then most likely, the first increase was the one that bumped you from null standings to over +1 base standings, thus kicking in the effect of the Connections skill (which you probably have at L5) for a 3-point increase in EQ, and the second mission merely increased your agent effective standing from 3 to 4. Still, that would imply a pretty damn huge standing increase from just one mission... can you look at the standings transaction log for that particular agent (you just open up the standings tab in your character sheet, find the agent, right click and select the log) and take a screenshot for us ? If what you said is true, then the transactions for those first two missions were over 10% each, which is quite a large increase. Well, I have put the standings increase here but it's only 0.7% from that first mission. (only a partial screenshot, sorry, I keep the identity of my non-forum-***** characters secret so as not to worry about any disruption to my indutrial corp) My standings with the agent after 4 missions is 0.19, which (as you rightly suspect) Connections V bumps up to 1.76. So the connections skill kicking in after mission 1 must make a pretty huge difference as I'm sure the first mission increased RP/day almost a full point from 79 to 80. But obviously I can't go back in time to take screenies... maybe I'll try tomorrow when I have more time with a new agent just to test it properly. -------------------------------- http://eveonomics.blogspot.com/
Lady Naween Amarr Dark Steel Industries	Posted - 2011.03.09 00:58:00 - [17] I have done 11 missions for my lvl 2 lai dai agent. used to give 18.36 now she gives 19.52. I am not sure what made the biggest difference but it does make a difference. (with crappy skills even).
Tasko Pal Spallated Garniferous Schist	Posted - 2011.03.10 00:01:00 - [18] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Ariane VoxDei It seems, from experience, that the RP rate is calculated only when you begin research at the agent It's actually recalculated every time you talk to the agent directly, but not only then. Verified. I just increased my RP per day just by talking remotely to my agent. And to think that I had picked up negotiation 4 a few months ago. All those cores I could have had...

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