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Neutrino Sunset Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.03.10 16:00:00 - [1] Edited by: Neutrino Sunset on 10/03/2011 16:02:17 The last few weeks I've been doing a bit of ratting in a 9 belt -0.77 sec system. Prior to the last patch this system would regularly spawn 1.5, 1.7 and 1.8M isk BS rats. Since the last patch I've seen a few strange things. Firstly no BS worth more than 1.2M isk have spawned once in the last two days. In fact most of the spawns are now battlecruiser spawns. Rats regularly warp off, now they used to do this before and it's nice touch, adds a bit of immersion, but they used to warp to another belt and you could follow them and kill them. But now most of the time they instead warp to an off grid safe. I've had this happen with multiple spawns in succession to the extent that the system has no rats in any belts at all, and since you can't locate the rats to kill them the system stays empty for ages. I've also had rats warp in on me at a safe spot 10au from the nearest belt. Is anyone else noticing odd rat behaviour since the last patch?
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.03.10 16:05:00 - [2] Probably an attempt at breaking ratting bots. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Goose99	Posted - 2011.03.10 16:06:00 - [3] Nerf to sov null ratting bots? I don't rat, but noticed the 23/7 corp income seems to have dropped a bit.
Morg Braktar Minmatar BlackTar Corporation	Posted - 2011.03.10 16:08:00 - [4] SkyNet has taken control of the rat AI. Quick, someone call Christian Bale to have him set up an account so we can fight for humanities survival. For relevance, I haven't noticed this happening to me, but I am not ratting in null sec. I've just been hanging out in my usual low sec area hitting the rats occasionally when I see some.
Jeresy Profile	Posted - 2011.03.10 16:10:00 - [5] Originally by: Goose99 Nerf to sov null ratting bots? I don't rat, but noticed the 23/7 corp income seems to have dropped a bit. Thats a messed up "fix" is this is true, it hurts those of us who don't bot the most. Since we don't sit in a system 24/7 ratting at the end the bots will still make a lot and we will make very little.
Lord Tempist Caldari Council of Lords	Posted - 2011.03.10 16:10:00 - [6] The Rats have formed a union and they are collective bargaining for higher rewards. No man ever got killed by his wife while giving her a footrub. Rubbing someone elses wife's feet, well... Fill in the blank
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2011.03.10 16:19:00 - [7] When I mine in high sec I use to see an occasional spawn of 4 rats (normal is 1 to 3) with one different, special, from the others. That special one would drop better loot, usually faction ammo, and every now and then an implant (the best Ive gotten was a snake omega). Also if you kill the special rat's minions first, the special one would warp off. But since the patch this type of spawn has not occurred.
General Mujahideen Husseni	Posted - 2011.03.10 17:43:00 - [8] Edited by: General Mujahideen Husseni on 10/03/2011 17:43:27 Originally by: Lord Tempist The Rats have formed a union and they are collective bargaining for higher rewards. Rats have overthrown their Western imperialist backed sovereigns and are free peoples now.
Illectroculus Defined Chooch Inc. Twilight Federation	Posted - 2011.03.10 17:44:00 - [9] How many rats do you kill a day? If I were a pirate NPC I'd be avoiding you too. Vote Illectro for CSM6! Supporting the New Generation of Eve Players
Rasz Lin Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated	Posted - 2011.03.10 17:45:00 - [10] disruptor - it makes them NOT warp off

Aessoroz Nohbdy.	Posted - 2011.03.10 17:45:00 - [11] Edited by: Aessoroz on 10/03/2011 17:46:21 Simple. Rat in an onyx, it can tank and dps like a drake. Quote: When I mine in high sec I use to see an occasional spawn of 4 rats (normal is 1 to 3) with one different, special, from the others. That special one would drop better loot, usually faction ammo, and every now and then an implant (the best Ive gotten was a snake omega). Also if you kill the special rat's minions first, the special one would warp off. But since the patch this type of spawn has not occurred. This "special" spawn is called a faction spawn, they are rare in nullsec and EXTREMELY rare in highsec, you just saw a few of them by luck due to good old probability.
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.03.10 17:47:00 - [12] maybe rats realized there is no profit in 0.0 belts? ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Spurty Caldari V0LTA VOLTA Corp	Posted - 2011.03.10 17:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Neutrino Sunset I've also had rats warp in on me at a safe spot 10au from the nearest belt. o.O imagine the afk cloaker tears if this happened every 15mins Hoppit!
Goose99	Posted - 2011.03.10 18:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Spurty Originally by: Neutrino Sunset I've also had rats warp in on me at a safe spot 10au from the nearest belt. o.O imagine the afk cloaker tears if this happened every 15mins Wouldn't they be cloaked?
mkmin	Posted - 2011.03.10 18:43:00 - [15] Hopefully this is a first step to transition to rats to needing PVP fits to kill. Fit your point and see if that helps.
Aloe Cloveris The Greater Goon	Posted - 2011.03.10 20:13:00 - [16] I get routinely mocked for pointing belt/gate rats. NOT SO FUNNY NOW IS IT? Hater status: TOLD
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.03.10 20:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Aloe Cloveris I get routinely mocked for pointing belt/gate rats. NOT SO FUNNY NOW IS IT? Hater status: TOLD They will warp off even if you have them pointed. Don't know if they will warp if infi-pt'd or bubbled though.. though I am pretty sure they still will. NPCs don't care much for our player rules. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2011.03.10 20:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Goose99 Originally by: Spurty Originally by: Neutrino Sunset I've also had rats warp in on me at a safe spot 10au from the nearest belt. o.O imagine the afk cloaker tears if this happened every 15mins Wouldn't they be cloaked? Rats cheat and know where your cloaked ship is. I have tested this out on several occasions by cloaking near a belt and after a while or sometimes hours a magical rat spawn will appear within a few km of you and just happen to wander over in your general direction. Then you get decloaked and popped when they get within 2000m. Now if ccp would also give all nullsec rats long points then that would certainly help with the fight against botting as you can't warp to your safe and cloak if you just warped to the belt and all the rats have a point on you just as local spikes. Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
Fix Lag	Posted - 2011.03.10 20:56:00 - [19] I've noticed rats warping off a lot more since the Incursion patches came out. It's annoying, and even more annoying that they cannot be stopped and are invincible once they start warping, unlike players. Fix lag. Err, belt rats. Fix Lag!
Doddy Excidium.	Posted - 2011.03.10 21:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Aessoroz This "special" spawn is called a faction spawn, they are rare in nullsec and EXTREMELY rare in highsec, you just saw a few of them by luck due to good old probability. I would be interested to know what you mean by extremely rare, i don't think they are any more rare than in 0.0. I once had 4 faction spawns in under an hour in hi sec (one dropped a lg pirate implant which was nice) while mucking about with a noob alt. The difference is there far less people grinding belts in hi sec (as why grind frigs when you can do missions....).

Cory Sopapilla Minmatar Kiroshi Group	Posted - 2011.03.10 21:35:00 - [21] Originally by: Doddy I would be interested to know what you mean by extremely rare, i don't think they are any more rare than in 0.0. I once had 4 faction spawns in under an hour in hi sec (one dropped a lg pirate implant which was nice) while mucking about with a noob alt. The difference is there far less people grinding belts in hi sec (as why grind frigs when you can do missions....). I think it's a luck thing. I got a true sansha spawn on my very first day in Eve and had no idea it was something special. The only way I found out is when I asked corp members why I couldn't right-click sell the true sansha power diagnostic on the market. Since then I've never seen another one in hi-sec.
Kraal Jarik	Posted - 2011.03.10 21:36:00 - [22] Edited by: Kraal Jarik on 10/03/2011 21:37:43 --edited cuz I'm blind. nothing to see here, move along. :)
Braelyn Order of Paradox White Angels.	Posted - 2011.03.10 21:51:00 - [23] I also have noticed this is happening a lot more. I seem to get spawns that warp off, sometimes 2-3 belts in a row. When I leave warp, they have often already initiated warp (gotta love how they can be there, bumping a roid for 20sec or so, but still be immune). Also, I have seen a lot more of these spawns that decide it would be fun to burn 1600m/sec for the BSs, and 2200m/sec for the BC/cruisers towards a celestial... Really is annoying. =/
Aessoroz Nohbdy.	Posted - 2011.03.10 21:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Spurty Originally by: Neutrino Sunset I've also had rats warp in on me at a safe spot 10au from the nearest belt. o.O imagine the afk cloaker tears if this happened every 15mins Smart afk cloakers are in a safe spot and constantly moving in a direction far from anything, this removes chances of :woops:
Siigari Kitawa Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.03.10 22:42:00 - [25] Haha, this thread was worth a couple giggles. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Ntrails	Posted - 2011.03.10 22:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Aessoroz Originally by: Spurty Originally by: Neutrino Sunset I've also had rats warp in on me at a safe spot 10au from the nearest belt. o.O imagine the afk cloaker tears if this happened every 15mins Smart afk cloakers are in a safe spot and constantly moving in a direction far from anything, this removes chances of :woops: uhhh, what part of afk cloaking involves being at your keyboard to move safes? Anyway, they only do it to grids where people are uncloaked


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