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CynoNet Two
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.27 02:13:00 -
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I guess this isn't a major game-breaking issue, but I think it would be interesting, so what the hell.
Right now everyone uses DST's for one of two main things: In hi-sec they offer a harder-to-gank platform for mid-sized cargo. In low-sec and null-sec you bait with them. Don't tell me it's not bait, it always is.
See the issue is that no matter how many warp core stabs you cram onto these things, they still align like a pig, have no covert cloak and easily get tackled by the most common tackler in null-sec - dictor bubbles. In short, they're not at all suitable for 'deep space'. So what do we do?
Replace the -2 warp core bonus with an immunity to warp bubbles, just like T3's can have.
It may sound overpowered at first, but think about it; Most of these ships still align slower than a battleship, and certainly can't get much of a decent speed with an MWD. Unlike T3's they can't fit covops cloaks, so there's plenty of time to tackle them on a gate with warp disruptors. And if someone wants to try and bypass those limitations with speed mods and warp core stabs, the cargo space they get isn't really any better than a blockade runner. Nice and balanced.
Plus you know someone will jump one full of everything they own into your gatecamp at some point. And you'll have scrams, right? |
Mike Whiite
Keystone Industrial
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Posted - 2012.08.27 08:57:00 -
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wouldn't help a thing.
to make the Deep Space Transport capable of traveling to low or 0.0, it would need a configuration that give it less cargo space than a blockade runner
They'll need to up that warpcore bonus so it can't be canceled out by one module I'd say +6, maybe even a web resistance or immunity with it.
then you can use the fitting slots for speed allign time and cargo. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.27 10:30:00 -
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Yeah, DSTs are too slow to avoid the regular points that usually accompany the bubble, so pretty much the only time this is useful is for getting past a solo dictor without a warp disruptor fitted.
Bubble immunity on top of the +2 core strength would be useful, but maybe too useful as it would make them essentially invulnerable to solo dictors (except for wild and wacky multi-scram fittings). Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
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CynoNet Two
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.27 12:36:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Yeah, DSTs are too slow to avoid the regular points that usually accompany the bubble, so pretty much the only time this is useful is for getting past a solo dictor without a warp disruptor fitted.
Bubble immunity on top of the +2 core strength would be useful, but maybe too useful as it would make them essentially invulnerable to solo dictors (except for wild and wacky multi-scram fittings).
A DST can skip past that sole dictor camp with 2 WCS without sacrificing too much cargo space. That would give it and the Blockade runner opposing niches: The BR can skip past most regular tacklers but is vulnerable to dictors, while the DST can pass lone dictors / drag bubbles but is vulnerable to more than one regular tackler.
Another approach could be a role bonus that improves WCS for DST's in some way, without having it built in. Things such as: they use zero cpu when fitted, act as a tiny cargo expander, get a % bonus to strength, so that fitting 2 WCS has the same effect as 3. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.08.28 09:52:00 -
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I use them in 0.0 all the time. The catch is that you can't use them safely solo. Which is a good thing. |
Zylona Femtov
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.07 18:42:00 -
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Blockade runner were use for it.
But they lost the +2 warp strenght the had before. I prefer to use a blockade runner instead of a deep space transport to go deep in 0.0
Deep space transport need a full rebalancing and the blocade runner stay as it is now.
I agree, the deep space transport need to integrate advance electronic countermesure like
- Bubble proof - Faster - + 2 warp strengh (got it already) - cover OP cloack
Less cargo in exchanged and more expensive to built |
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