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Dalagalindu
Virtute Legio
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Posted - 2012.08.27 10:40:00 -
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I am toying with an idea for my first POS.
Help me to get this right.
For a simple reaction I need minimum of:
-2 moon harvesting arrays (one per each raw material)
-simple reactor
-silo
Harvesting arrays can be directly linked to simple reactor (same cycle time and material output), and a simple material is stored in silo.
This could be done with Minmatar medium tower (3000 CPU on the nose). But because some defence points, I'll rather go for Caldari med. (more CPU).
I' dont need another silo or coupling array if I dont mind losing one cycle here and there while offloading the silo? Do I need something more?
Is simple reaction achievable with med. control tower or am I missing something here?
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Velicitia
Open Designs
1122
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Posted - 2012.08.27 12:27:00 -
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Dalagalindu wrote:I am toying with an idea for my first POS.
Help me to get this right.
For a simple reaction I need minimum of:
-2 moon harvesting arrays (one per each raw material)
-simple reactor
-silo
Harvesting arrays can be directly linked to simple reactor (same cycle time and material output), and a simple material is stored in silo.
This could be done with Minmatar medium tower (3000 CPU on the nose). But because some defence points, I'll rather go for Caldari med. (more CPU).
I' dont need another silo or coupling array if I dont mind losing one cycle here and there while offloading the silo? Do I need something more?
Is simple reaction achievable with med. control tower or am I missing something here?
Edit: For Sulfuric acid do I need regular silo or Biochemical Silo?
1. Correct.
Harvester 1 --> Moongoo1
Harvester 2 --> Moongoo2
H1+H2 --> Reactor (with reaction BPO inside) --> Silo
2. No you don't need an extra coupling array/silo. Just look at the POS timer tick (it's the time in your calendar that it'll run out of fuel), and don't do your shutdown/restart of the silo in a 5 minute window on either side of that time (note, 10min is probably "long", but it's a good starting point).
3. It "is" possible, but you should probably go for a large, which allows for more fitting room (shield hardeners, and guns and such). This is because the facilities you're anchoring (moon harvesters, etc) are a bit shiny ... and a med tower is pretty easy to pop, especially when the owning corp doesn't have the backing of a large PvP wing, or friends.
4. Regular silo will do fine. Biochemical is for drug manufacturing.
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Dalagalindu
Virtute Legio
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Posted - 2012.08.27 12:54:00 -
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Thank you Velicitia.
I know that large POS is better. But medium is cheaper/easier on fuel blocks + I will do this op in low sec.
So I would like to transport my POS in Prowler. Medium fits just fine, large is out of the question (large is 8000m3 fits to Orca only?).
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Markus Navarro
Aulari R.D.
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Posted - 2012.08.27 14:00:00 -
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Just pointing, you can get about any industrial to 8km3 or more. A Badger 2 with low skills can get 15km3 |
Vlodovich
The Professors of Trouser Pastry
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Posted - 2012.08.27 14:30:00 -
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Dalagalindu wrote:Thank you Velicitia.
I know that large POS is better. But medium is cheaper/easier on fuel blocks + I will do this op in low sec.
So I would like to transport my POS in Prowler. Medium fits just fine, large is out of the question (large is 8000m3 fits to Orca only?).
Im not on a computer with eft or eve on it just now but Im sure off the top of my head that my Prowler holds around 8700 m3 and can fit a large tower + a little fuel to get it started. Once the tower is onlined with a little fuel in it, fly the Prowler back to high sec and grab more POS stuff and more fuel....
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MushroomMushroom
Consolidated Sprocket
41
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Posted - 2012.08.27 15:23:00 -
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Just understand going in that unless you are in a position to mount a substantial defense fleet, the only real defense of a POS is the nuisance factor of killing it. Even a large deathstar with POS gunners isn't likely to kill much of anything alone, unless the attackers are really incompetent. |
Immortis Vexx
The Night Crew
The Night Crew Alliance
56
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Posted - 2012.08.27 15:29:00 -
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Dalagalindu wrote:I am toying with an idea for my first POS.
Help me to get this right.
For a simple reaction I need minimum of:
-2 moon harvesting arrays (one per each raw material)
-simple reactor
-silo
Harvesting arrays can be directly linked to simple reactor (same cycle time and material output), and a simple material is stored in silo.
This could be done with Minmatar medium tower (3000 CPU on the nose). But because some defence points, I'll rather go for Caldari med. (more CPU).
I' dont need another silo or coupling array if I dont mind losing one cycle here and there while offloading the silo? Do I need something more?
Is simple reaction achievable with med. control tower or am I missing something here?
Edit: For Sulfuric acid do I need regular silo or Biochemical Silo?
You won't want a med tower out there. Trust me. The medium tower will not be able to support all that you will want to have on the tower. Remember, what you think you need on there now and what you will want 2 days after its up and running are very different. Then the dreams come along and your dream enemies laugh at your noobness *Shiver*
I would make sure that you can fly a cloaky hauler out to wherever you are putting this tower up. Hold stuff in a close by station until you are ready to actually assemble a tower. If you can't fly a cloaky, don't set up the tower yet. Logistics in a non-cloak hauler is an absolute nightmare.
I would also suggest getting EVEHQ and building a mock tower in that. You can get a good layout of the defenses and how much cpu/pg you will need for the build. Spend awhile thinking ahead on this and you will likely find that a med tower will not support everything you want to do for long.
Short Version
Large tower
Cloaky hauler = win
You are underestimating your CPU/PG needs
EVEHQ is your friend.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
313
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Posted - 2012.08.27 15:51:00 -
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Dalagalindu wrote:Thank you Velicitia.
I know that large POS is better. But medium is cheaper/easier on fuel blocks + I will do this op in low sec.
So I would like to transport my POS in Prowler. Medium fits just fine, large is out of the question (large is 8000m3 fits to Orca only?).
I have over 9000m3 on my prowler |
Dalagalindu
Virtute Legio
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Posted - 2012.08.28 06:08:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Dalagalindu wrote:Thank you Velicitia.
I know that large POS is better. But medium is cheaper/easier on fuel blocks + I will do this op in low sec.
So I would like to transport my POS in Prowler. Medium fits just fine, large is out of the question (large is 8000m3 fits to Orca only?).
I have over 9000m3 on my prowler
According to EFT, without cargo expanders and all skills to V, Prowler has 4063 m3 cargohold.
With 2 cargo expanders II in low (and I would like wcs in one) u get 6604 m3. How did u get 9k?
Implants? Rigs?
Pls post your fit. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
314
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Posted - 2012.08.28 07:17:00 -
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Dalagalindu wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Dalagalindu wrote:Thank you Velicitia.
I know that large POS is better. But medium is cheaper/easier on fuel blocks + I will do this op in low sec.
So I would like to transport my POS in Prowler. Medium fits just fine, large is out of the question (large is 8000m3 fits to Orca only?).
I have over 9000m3 on my prowler According to EFT, without cargo expanders and all skills to V, Prowler has 4063 m3 cargohold. With 2 cargo expanders II in low (and I would like wcs in one) u get 6604 m3. How did u get 9k? Implants? Rigs? Pls post your fit.
Ok I lied. 8730m3. still big enough to fit the tower and a little fuel to get it started when you online it. Yes you need rigs. With T2 rigs you can get 9510m3.
WCS on a blockade runner is a complete waste. Especially just one.
[Prowler, Prowler fit max cargo]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
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Velicitia
Open Designs
1124
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Posted - 2012.08.28 13:14:00 -
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Dalagalindu wrote:I will do this op in low sec.
exactly. Med tower is squishy ... especially when you don't have hardeners, and they bring dreads.
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Dalagalindu
Virtute Legio
0
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Posted - 2012.08.29 06:24:00 -
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I hear u all. And thank you for your advices. Will consider large tower.
@Velicitia if they bring dreads large POS don't stand a chance, without support fleet (which I don't have. How much do mercs ask for defending POS? :)). Even a death star is doomed...
Again I do not have few billions isk to spare. I must look at profit margin. Still kind of hoping that if put up a med in some backwater system no one will find it ;). Ok maybe I am dreaming  .
For manning POS guns question.
Do I have to be in POS (inside shields) to do it. How far can I be and still use starbase defense mannualy? |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
149
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:40:00 -
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The big difference in survivability of a POS in low sec is not that a large POS can defend itself so much better than a medium.. If they want to take it down they will.
The issue is a single dread can take down a medium POS very quickly. While a Large POS equipped with hardeners and ECM (dickstar not deathstar) takes either a much larger fleet or much more time to take down. Cap ships make juicy targets and every pirate in system would want to get in on the KM. This means taking down a large POS requires the attackers to risk more assets over a longer period of time. Most will not bother unless they have a grudge or really want the moon.
A medium POS can be taken down very quickly by a single bored cap ship pilot with much less risk. These are far more common in low sec than the fleets required for bashing a large POS quickly. A medium POS in low sec will get attacked by bored pilots. While Large POS in the same system at a not so great moon is generally not worth the bother unless they are either making a point of not allowing any unfriendly POSes in the system or have a grudge against you. |
Fortwunny
Sovereign Front
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Posted - 2012.08.30 23:19:00 -
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Don't bother with a large tower. go with a medium Caldari, fit what you need then whatever is left over use on ECM.
A sulfuric acid combination, if that is indeed what your planning on making, only produces material worth around .25-.3 mil per hour for a full reaction. AKA does not even pay for POS fuel.
Nobody in their right mind would drop the 20+ BS required to make any headway past some ECM batteries, and then spend hours reinforcing a tower, just to come back and do it again the next day. All for a tower that wouldn't make them enough isk to be worth putting a tower on it.
Go with a medium, add a few ecm batteries if you feel like it.
But frankly, without an expected couple bil return, nobody will ever bother killing a random tower with nothing but a low grade moon mining reaction. |
Dalagalindu
Virtute Legio
0
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Posted - 2012.08.31 11:17:00 -
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Ty Fortwunny for a different approach.
But I think u are wrong on your calculations for sulfuric acid combination:
2 moon harv. arrays + 1simple reactor output = 200 SA/ per h. I can sell SA for 3 000 ISK and buy caldari fuel block for 13 000 ISK atm.
200/h * 23h (-1 for emptying silo and such)=4600 SA /day * 3000 ISK = 13,8m ISK/day
CFB needed for medium tower = 480/day *13000 ISK=6,24m ISK/day.
There is enough profit margin for not loading fuel intime, transport losses (if not often) etc.
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Kusum Fawn
State War Academy
Caldari State
195
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Posted - 2012.08.31 16:03:00 -
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do not assume that fuel price will stay steady. its probably going to be a pretty calm thing now, but the past year was rough.
you can do this pretty easy with a medium, and there is a good chance no one will mess with it. people will tend not to mess with towers if there isnt a good amount of isk in it. and your 6.24 m a day probably isnt enough to attract attention.
remember that your sale price may not hold up either.
Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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