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Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.03.14 22:30:00 - [1] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 14/03/2011 22:41:50 Introduction I am posting this in a separated thread because I have seen in GD very sad things be said and happen about PLEX for Japan. I don't want the official charity thread to risk being affected like GD. The poll will take donors opinion as binding, if no donors will reply I will proceed as per written Articles of Incorporation. Non donors opinions will only have suggestion weight. The poll will expire tomorrow at midnight EvE time. Poll description I have been contacted in game and SCC-Lounge chat about this PLEX for Japan CCP initiative. Some want me to proceed with the written "path" (Articles of Incorporation) and just donate the whole bunch. Others have expressed reserves about Japan being "as eligible for money donations" as other countries are since they were not a 3rd World country etc. etc. Finally, others have expressed the idea that the fund should not deplete at 100% but just up to a point. A reserve would be kept for a next emergency. I have my clear opinion about what needs to be done, but in the spirit of democracy I'd like to see if others have better or smarter ideas. Poll 1) Always donate 100%. Keeping part of the ISK is out of the written statements and will possibly prevent some RL guys from being saved, while holding the money for a next emergency that could happen 2 years from now. 2) Donate less than 100% to rich countries. Those who decide 2) shall also put a percentage of funds to deliver to rich vs 3rd world. 3) Keep a reserve anyway, just in case. Those who decide 3) shall also put a percentage of funds to keep in the fund. Options requiring percentages will have these averaged. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Please stay civil while posting here. It's costing me a big deal of patience to even have accepted doing this. Edit for the IQ impaired: "have accepted doing this" refers to the poll and only that. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Misty McGinnity Mystify Trading Company	Posted - 2011.03.14 22:35:00 - [2] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha It's costing me a big deal of patience to even have accepted doing this. wasn't it your big idea? now your saying its costing you patience... in your haste to be "right/correct" all the time, you have forgotten to make any decisions at all. just coz i donate to Guide dogs queensland, doesnt mean i want to be contacted as to hoe the money gets spent. jesus stop making topics. cookoo cookoo cookoo
Caldariftw123	Posted - 2011.03.14 22:38:00 - [3] Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 14/03/2011 22:42:31 I've not donated to your fund myself so my voice can be ignored I guess .. However, this is a ridiculous idea. It's your fund, don't change it because some people have said Japan should not get the aid it's crazy if you ask me. I was going to say can you imagine those same people saying don't bother sending us aid if it was their country as badly hit as Japans? Then I remembered hurricane Katrina hit and aid from all over the world was sent, nobody said "**** them they're rich" did they? Pakistan is not third world, they got aid. If the UK was devastated by a quake and tsunami (tidal wave I suppose they'd call it there) you honestly think all the people from the UK would say "no it's ok we'll manage" you bet your ass they'd be asking for blankets and water from aid organisations. The idea of picking and choosing who to give the aid to is a bad position to be in. Not only have CCP not run a lot of these (you don't know how long it'll be before the next donation opportunity) but whoever they choose there will be comments about not donating to them - look at what happened with Pakistan, so many people saying "don't send them aid they are terrorists!" and Pakistan is not a third world country either, their government has quite a lot of money they could have used to help people with instead of buying nuclear weapons. You see? There's always going to be politics and "reasons not to donate to XYZ" - just stick to your guns, donate everything, and build the fund again. This is a bit of a ramble, I hope I got my point across clearly enough though. EDIT yes the fund goes to the red cross, they're not going to spend any excess money on rolex watches - if they have more money than is needed it will be used on some other project.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.03.14 22:39:00 - [4] Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 14/03/2011 22:41:07 I think you should donate the whole fund, but if any individual donor wishes to opt out then allow them that option, after all it is their isk. So - donate all, but with an opt-out limited to those who specifically ask for it. Edit: And the money is being donated to the Red Cross anyway - really that should be "case closed"
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.03.14 22:43:00 - [5] Quote: This is a bit of a ramble, I hope I got my point across clearly enough though Yes, you did and I agree with you. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Misty McGinnity Mystify Trading Company	Posted - 2011.03.14 22:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: This is a bit of a ramble, I hope I got my point across clearly enough though Yes, you did and I agree with you. then make a decision & stick with it. its YOUR fund.
egola Amarr	Posted - 2011.03.14 22:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Liberty Eternal Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 14/03/2011 22:41:07 I think you should donate the whole fund, but if any individual donor wishes to opt out then allow them that option, after all it is their isk. So - donate all, but with an opt-out limited to those who specifically ask for it. Edit: And the money is being donated to the Red Cross anyway - really that should be "case closed" LE pretty much got the best suggestion. if anyone REALLY has a problem with where the fund is heading to, let them opt-out. otherwise there really isn't much of an issue with sending aid to japan, after all, no matter how "advance" a country is, in a disaster similar to japan's no one will deny aid, and theres ALWAYS more that can be done.
Krythas	Posted - 2011.03.14 22:49:00 - [8] I think it is your fund and you should do what you feel is right. Personally, I don't have a problem with donating the entire thing to whatever initiative comes up. More can always be raised. I donated to this fund primarily because of the disasters in first world countries (NZ and Australia) even tho these were not chosen as a PLEX initiative. What's happened in Japan is easily a worthy cause to donate to. A disaster is a disaster. Anyone caught up in the middle of one deserves help.
Arcy Dorei	Posted - 2011.03.14 22:53:00 - [9] I'm with these guys ^^ Option 1 for me!
Misty McGinnity Mystify Trading Company	Posted - 2011.03.14 22:53:00 - [10] Edited by: Misty McGinnity on 14/03/2011 22:53:51 Originally by: Krythas I think it is your fund and you should do what you feel is right. Personally, I don't have a problem with donating the entire thing to whatever initiative comes up. More can always be raised. I donated to this fund primarily because of the disasters in first world countries (NZ and Australia) even tho these were not chosen as a PLEX initiative. What's happened in Japan is easily a worthy cause to donate to. A disaster is a disaster. Anyone caught up in the middle of one deserves help. Well said +1 Mystify trading company will donate 10% of profits to VV's fund, pending he actually makes a decision on what hes doing with it.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2011.03.14 23:04:00 - [11] --- IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT --- It is with some reluctance that I report that I have felt the need to convey to CCP the request to create a special forum section dedicated to threads by Vaerah Vahrokha, CEO of Vahrokh Consulting, owner of vahrokh.com, so that all the threads, announcements, and polls related to Vaerah Vahrokha's fund, the proper name of which eludes me at the moment, can be grouped together and will get the proper attention they deserve. I have proposed this forum section be named "Vaerah Vahrokha Roleplay Spammy Playground". --- END OF IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT ---
Misty McGinnity Mystify Trading Company	Posted - 2011.03.14 23:06:00 - [12] Originally by: Estel Arador --- IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT --- It is with some reluctance that I report that I have felt the need to convey to CCP the request to create a special forum section dedicated to threads by Vaerah Vahrokha, CEO of Vahrokh Consulting, owner of vahrokh.com, so that all the threads, announcements, and polls related to Vaerah Vahrokha's fund, the proper name of which eludes me at the moment, can be grouped together and will get the proper attention they deserve. I have proposed this forum section be named "Vaerah Vahrokha Roleplay Spammy Playground". --- END OF IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT --- 7/10 would have been funnier with "end communication"
Estel Arador	Posted - 2011.03.14 23:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Misty McGinnity 7/10 would have been funnier with "end communication" Thanks for the constructive feedback! On a sidenote, since VV will be asking this anyway, I'd go for 1) or 3), but never for 2), as 2) would require a subjective decision be made by the manager, and that would not only complicate things but also leave to fund open for criticism and accusations.
Lando Antilles	Posted - 2011.03.14 23:51:00 - [14] Though I haven't yet donated to the fund, I have been supportive of VV's efforts and am awed at the generosity of the EVE community. As to the question at hand... Option 1 all the way. Options 2 and 3 are both flawed, IMO. Since the funds go to the Red Cross then it's immaterial where the actual disaster is. Also, allowing donors to deny charity to a particular event leads down a slippery slope as others have mentioned. As for holding funds in reserve, since proceeds goto the red cross, this is also pointless. Those donations will goto charity, now or later. VV, I understand you want to keep the decision making in the open. Don't sweat any grief you may get for your posts. But, you can probably trust your gut on some of these decisions... people donated to you, believing you'll do the right thing. Believe in yourself.
Genbukan Best Buy INC	Posted - 2011.03.15 00:11:00 - [15] To me it's quite simple! Send them all the donations as it will help them.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.03.15 00:17:00 - [16] Originally by: Lando Antilles VV, I understand you want to keep the decision making in the open. Don't sweat any grief you may get for your posts. But, you can probably trust your gut on some of these decisions... people donated to you, believing you'll do the right thing. Believe in yourself. I believed in myself enough to post this poll with confidence about how it'd end up (i.e. go with the written way of giving all out). I still wanted to see people say it out loud as a signal to others who wanted to expose their different point of view in game. I prefer being the guy who decides with support vs the guy who plays little tyrant with the (ISK) sacrifices of others. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2011.03.15 00:24:00 - [17] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Others have expressed reserves about Japan being "as eligible for money donations" as other countries are since they were not a 3rd World country etc. etc. Are you serious? Who are these people? I want to see them post here in this thread. Good thing the Red Cross don't take this attitude! If you don't follow as intended then expect no donations in the future. BSAC Stock Exchange - EVE's only real-time stock exchange
Genbukan Best Buy INC	Posted - 2011.03.15 00:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Originally by: Lando Antilles VV, I understand you want to keep the decision making in the open. Don't sweat any grief you may get for your posts. But, you can probably trust your gut on some of these decisions... people donated to you, believing you'll do the right thing. Believe in yourself. I believed in myself enough to post this poll with confidence about how it'd end up (i.e. go with the written way of giving all out). I still wanted to see people say it out loud as a signal to others who wanted to expose their different point of view in game. I prefer being the guy who decides with support vs the guy who plays little tyrant with the (ISK) sacrifices of others. I don't think you would be playing the little tyrant. The whole point of this was to help them, and if sending them all the donations is helping them so be it. Cheer's Send Away!
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.03.15 00:28:00 - [19] Originally by: Block Ukx Who are these people? Some in convos, others on SCC-Lounge. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2011.03.15 00:29:00 - [20] On behalf of donor corporation Far Ranger [FARR]: 1
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.03.15 00:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha I prefer being the guy who decides with support vs the guy who plays little tyrant with the (ISK) sacrifices of others. Which is good, except people donated under the premise that Quote: 1) A donation fund has been created. 2) It accumulates assets and money until some RL disaster happens and CCP starts the next "PLEX for <insert here beneficiary>". 3) The fund converts everything into PLEXes and sends them to CCP for this campaign. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1464348&page=1#1 With emphasis on EVERYTHING. It is true that some countries are able to handle disasters better than others (US vs Haiti, Japan vs some african nation, ect...). Everyone, no matter how rich or poor, can always use help in situations such as this. I really think your fund is a great idea, and hopefully it will continue on. I also hope it will never have to be used again, for obvious reasons.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.03.15 00:34:00 - [22] The most estimated and generous Donors are of my same opinion. We'll proceed pursuant the Articles of Incorporation. Poll closed. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Genbukan Best Buy INC	Posted - 2011.03.15 00:35:00 - [23] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha The most estimated and generous Donors are of my same opinion. We'll proceed pursuant the Articles of Incorporation. Poll closed. Cheers!
Marcus Baltar Savaran Zhayedan Spah	Posted - 2011.03.15 00:43:00 - [24] Marcus Baltar, the player, posting. A question - At what stage will you forward the donations made to your fund to CCP's PLEX drive? When the CCP PLEX drive starts and/or when it closes? I ask because I would like to know what will happen to any donations to your fund that are made after the CCP PLEX drive starts, but before it closes (assuming that a donation is sent to your fund rather than straight to CCP). I suppose this might also depend at what stage CCP convert the PLEX back to RL money to donate to the Red Cross (or whatever charity they have chosen). (Had some other stuff to say, but VV has decided to go with what he originally said See Breaker77's post above to get an idea of what I was going to say). --
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.03.15 00:56:00 - [25] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 15/03/2011 00:57:57 I'll reply this, update the current Donors list and go to bed (read: no more replies till tomorrow). I asked CCP about how they are going to forward the PLEXes that players send them. CCP Fallout replied this. "One check when the drive has ended" Since the PLEX for Japan blog says: "Beginning March 14, 2011 and ending March 31, 2011 at 23:59 UTC, CCP will be accepting PLEX donations for PLEX for Good: Japan." I suppose we can see if some more people want to donate something more, then proceed with the forwarding of all to CCP. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz

CCP Spitfire C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.15 06:59:00 - [26] Locked by request. Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online


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