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Cristl
Perkone
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:01:00 -
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This has high-octane flame potential. Please give it a proper read before popping the safeties. Cheers :)
What if the subscription model was changed from units of '30 days' to units of '30 days or 150 hours logged-on time, whichever elapses first' ?
If you think about it, 150 hours must cover almost all of the people who play Eve 'normally' (responses to a recent thread certainly suggested it would). An average of 5 hours each and every day for a month (or equivalent) is pretty lengthy play. Besides, if you're exceeding 150 hours a month and earning, say, 10 million ISK an hour, then you cover several PLEXs handsomely anyway.
I think this would introduce a soft limit to how much benefit someone can get from AFK behaviour and therefore addresses quite a few issues such as Domis in COSMOS plexes, major AFK mining operations etc., but also as-yet undiscovered methods. And no policing of the system would be required at all.
You'd need to allow players to select options along the lines of: GÇ£if I don't do anything for 30 minutes please log me offGÇ¥ and maybe AFK cloakers would need something too, but otherwise it seems like it would curb (or at least tax) excessive bot-like behaviour.
What do you think? |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
978
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:04:00 -
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So people cant just log on to bullshit? Or spend entire days exploring that may not yield much profit. it brings about grind grind grind! I need to get a bot because of this ****** payment plan!
**** you.
This is by far the worse round about way to try to effect afk cloakers. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
584
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:04:00 -
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Well, it'd make paying for my manufacturing alts a lot cheaper. And I could run more of them....
Not a good idea, really.
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
Still Censored
676
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:04:00 -
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This isn't smart business wise. Gaming industries can still sell at 1month and people will buy, and they get paid when you don't use it. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
2519
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:07:00 -
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No need to change things. Bad move for CCP, since they would lose money on everyone not playing 23/7. 
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Blane Xero
The Firestorm Cartel
65
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:07:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Well, it'd make paying for my manufacturing alts a lot cheaper. And I could run more of them....
Not a good idea, really.
Whilst I dislike the idea, no it doesn't. That's what the 30 days OR 150 hours is about. You'd still be, at best, paying every 30 days.
Resident Haruhiist since December 2008.
Laying claim to Out of Pod Experience since 2007, plain and simple.
Keep the trash out of Out Of Pod Experience, If it's EVE Related or deserves a Lock, it does not belong here. |
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
665
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:09:00 -
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no. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9264
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:09:00 -
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Sure.
If your skill training, market orders, industry jobs, etc. all cease 2 hours after you log off.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Mallak Azaria
583
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:11:00 -
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Blane Xero wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Well, it'd make paying for my manufacturing alts a lot cheaper. And I could run more of them....
Not a good idea, really. Whilst I dislike the idea, no it doesn't. That's what the 30 days OR 150 hours is about. You'd still be, at best, paying every 30 days.
And everyone would still pick the 30 day option, so...
No.
Cristl wrote:I think this would introduce a soft limit to how much benefit someone can get from AFK behaviour and therefore addresses quite a few issues such as Domis in COSMOS plexes, major AFK mining operations etc., but also as-yet undiscovered methods. And no policing of the system would be required at all.
No, it would not introduce a soft-limit on anything, as people would still pick the 30 day option for skill training. It would also be pretty awful if you were in the middle of a fun fight & all of a sudden your gametime expired. This is easily one of the worst ideas I've ever seen.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Riot Girl
State War Academy
Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:11:00 -
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I don't like it. You're essentially trying to encourage people not to play. |
Alara IonStorm
3047
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:12:00 -
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Watching the regular anti-AFK play crowd tear the OP a new one was the first sign that this anti-AFK idea was terrible.
The second sign was when I read the OP. I have to stop doing that.  |
Bluestream3
the Goose Flock
17
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:12:00 -
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Not that I actually play 5 hours a day on average, although there probably have been some months. Something like this would make me feel obligated to log off if I were to fetch a cup of coffee and it would generally be very annoying to know. I usually hate saying things like this, but if something like this was implemented, it would certainly make me quit playing this game. Not that it's going to happen in the close future so I'm not really worried.
And I think some of you above misread the OP, "30 days or 150 hours logged-on time, whichever elapses first". |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
584
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:12:00 -
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Blane Xero wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Well, it'd make paying for my manufacturing alts a lot cheaper. And I could run more of them....
Not a good idea, really. Whilst I dislike the idea, no it doesn't. That's what the 30 days OR 150 hours is about. You'd still be, at best, paying every 30 days.
Ahh. Missed that bit.
So, this will only affect people who play a lot, making them play less. Reducing the concurrent player count. Which people will then claim as a sign that Eve is dying.
FuzzWork Enterprises
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Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
1345
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:12:00 -
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Makes sense to me. With the requirement that we got those "auto-log after afk" features I could see it working. Perhaps expand it to 8 hours? I know there are people out there that could spend that much time legitimately. We're mostly trying to get rid of the ones that are on 24/7, if we assume that everyone has some sort of job or otherwise some sort of life outside of EVE then 8 hours per day doesn't sound too bad. In most cases if they are actually playing longer then that then they must have job that lets them do so and they shouldn't have much trouble affording it, or they make enough in-game to afford it from a PLEX side.
The Drake is a Lie |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction
The Unforgiven Alliance
260
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:13:00 -
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But then what's the point? It's an added function for no reason and just complicates the whole process. Now if you were saying to replace 30 days with 150 hours completely...well I don't know then.
From a consumer stand point, praise da lawd and hanellujah, Eve just got cheaper! It could be great for the consumer, especially those inclined towards alts. I think a vast amount of people would, with a system like this in place, obtain alts.
HOWEVER
Business wise, as mentioned before, CCP would loose cash, and a lot of it. You'd have people in the 150 hour model paying $16 for 150 hours, and maybe stretching that out for...what...3 months at a time? That's one hell of a cut to cash flow and, to top that off, no guarantee that people would grab alts.
While I personally would like this as it would soften the blow to my personal wealth, it just isn't smart business for CCP (sadly).
EDIT: I DO however really like the idea of auto-log out after a few hours to curb afk players. It needs some fine tuning as an idea, but it's a great idea nonetheless. |
Alara IonStorm
3047
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:16:00 -
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Bluestream3 wrote:
And I think some of you above misread the OP, "30 days or 150 hours logged-on time, whichever elapses first".
Nevermind. I misread your post about misreading.
Someone misread what I say so we get a chain going. |
Riot Girl
State War Academy
Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:19:00 -
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Nevermind I read the misread post and posted something misleading. |
highonpop
Eve Liberation Force
Fatal Ascension
240
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:22:00 -
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Only pay if i log the hours?
You mean.... training time for free??
Yes please!!!!!
bad idea.
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Mallak Azaria
583
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:26:00 -
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Anslo wrote:EDIT: I DO however really like the idea of auto-log out after a few hours to curb afk players. It needs some fine tuning as an idea, but it's a great idea nonetheless.
There is a very easy way around this that involves the use of one of these.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
804
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:27:00 -
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Bad idea is bad. |
Cristl
Perkone
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:27:00 -
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I hope this isn't taken as a troll post because I wrote it in all seriousness. Quite a few people seem to have gotten the wrong end though, so some clarification:
This is absolutely NOT intended to make players feels that they are spunking money by just being logged on and chatting (for example). 5 hours every day for a month is a lot (please consider that) and it would be easy to add refinements such as a 30 minute grace period on log-in before the timer starts and maybe pause the timer when in station etc. to make this absolutely have no effect for the vast majority of players. |
Riot Girl
State War Academy
Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:31:00 -
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Cristl wrote: pause the timer when in station
That makes it slightly more palatable but I still think it will punish too many people who don't deserve to be punished. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
977
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:35:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Cristl wrote: pause the timer when in station That makes it slightly more palatable but I still think it will punish too many people who don't deserve to be punished.
It still completely screws people who live in POSs |
Cristl
Perkone
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:37:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Bad idea is bad.
Fantastic. It would be great if you could elaborate just a tiny bit on that mate.
Many people seem to think that this is an alternate plan and that I'm suggesting people would subscribe to either 30 days or 150 hours. That's not what Im saying at all! Please understand that if you are active (out of station, earning ISK) for less than 150 hours a month then this would have no effect on you at all. And 150 hours is frikken yonks! |
Cristl
Perkone
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:43:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:It still completely screws people who live in POSs
This is where my greatest sympathies lie, but it would be pretty easy to code when people are in non-isk-making locations and just pause the timer in those cases.
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Mallak Azaria
583
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:46:00 -
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Cristl wrote:150 hours is frikken yonks!
6 days & 6 hours to be exact. So not really yonks.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Mallak Azaria
583
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:48:00 -
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Cristl wrote:I hope this isn't taken as a troll post because I wrote it in all seriousness.
No, it's just a terrible idea & every one is telling you how horrible it is.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Fatbottom Girl
State War Academy
Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:49:00 -
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How did I know this would be related to isk/hr?
You guys are like hamsters on a treadmill. Actually you're more like sheep.
SHEEP!  |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1101
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:55:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Cristl wrote:150 hours is frikken yonks! 6 days & 6 hours to be exact. So not really yonks.
Bah, I can get 150 hours of gameplay played in a weekend!
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Arec Bardwin
Perkone
Caldari State
711
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:57:00 -
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I propose more random 'socket closed' functionality to combat AFK behavior. |
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