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Huna'ra Shaishi	Posted - 2011.03.19 02:58:00 - [1] For better or worse I started my career as a caldari pilot and realized I hated missile launchers. I cross trained a bit into gallente ships and eventually found my first love pvp'ing in a sniper ferox and blaster thorax. Unfortunately this training really didn't help my income at all. I realized my under-skilled drake ran lvl 3's far better than anything else I could fly. I became frustrated being stuck in lvl3 missions (or really slow lvl 4 missions) for income between bouts of pvp and the prospect of skilling into a mega or rokh for pve seemed rather futile given what I read at the time. I soon ran low on isk from pvp habits and decided to call it quits because I just couldn't put in the farming time necessary to fit a decent hull for combat anymore. I'd really like to get back into the game relatively fresh and start focusing on hybid hulls again (snoozefest drake/raven bore me to death and i'm not even close to training into minmatar or amarr hulls), but I would like to know if i'm just stepping back into the same deal. Can a hybrid bs make me enough isk to cover hybrid cruiser/bc pvp?
Songbird Gallente T.I.E. Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.19 03:16:00 - [2] if you want high adrenaline pve action you could always go megathong with blasters and MWD. Might have to depend on cap boosters but speeding towards the blob of rats, webbing them and then blowing them to chunks with blasters might be fun. Of course the standard PVE gallente ship is the domi, rails, sentry drones and patience - actually you might be better training for navy raven. But if you are set on hybrids pve I'd have to mention the kronos - it's a marauder and by definition the pve ship of gallente. It's the worst marauder in the game - sure , but it can tank and have rails and maybe even finish a mission or 2.
Straight Edged	Posted - 2011.03.19 03:22:00 - [3] Quote: It's the worst marauder in the game - sure , but it can tank and have rails and maybe even finish a mission or 2.
Huna'ra Shaishi	Posted - 2011.03.19 04:04:00 - [4] Edited by: Huna''ra Shaishi on 19/03/2011 04:05:13 Originally by: Songbird if you want high adrenaline pve action you could always go megathong with blasters and MWD. Might have to depend on cap boosters but speeding towards the blob of rats, webbing them and then blowing them to chunks with blasters might be fun. Of course the standard PVE gallente ship is the domi, rails, sentry drones and patience - actually you might be better training for navy raven. But if you are set on hybrids pve I'd have to mention the kronos - it's a marauder and by definition the pve ship of gallente. It's the worst marauder in the game - sure , but it can tank and have rails and maybe even finish a mission or 2. I rather expected answers like this, but it's depressing all the same. sigh What's a railgun fan to do?
Von Kroll Caldari Kroll's Legion	Posted - 2011.03.19 04:07:00 - [5] As long as you're doing Gurista or Serpentis missions, they can still be effective since you're shooting into lowest resists. Fly what you want. It may be more difficult than the conventional wisdom, but ultimately, its your $15/month.
HiRider Colonial Fleet Services Independent Faction	Posted - 2011.03.19 04:13:00 - [6] Be totally boss and fly around in this ship. [Ferox, Blasters Ahoy!] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 100 Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Medium Nosferatu II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Hobgoblin II x5 .
Songbird Gallente T.I.E. Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.19 04:33:00 - [7] haha - I actually flew a ferox in pvp fleet for a while, with blasters, buddies disapproval and all that. The weird thing was that since nobody had seen such a ship in pvp before I went for months without being primaried. I didn't do a bunch of damage - I mean by the time I got into range most primaries were dead , but sure as hell saved some money on ships :). Sure it's a useless fleet member but I had fun.
Huna'ra Shaishi	Posted - 2011.03.19 04:50:00 - [8] Originally by: Von Kroll As long as you're doing Gurista or Serpentis missions, they can still be effective since you're shooting into lowest resists. Fly what you want. It may be more difficult than the conventional wisdom, but ultimately, its your $15/month. Well, the issue I ran into before was simply there wasn't enough time in my RL day to devote to missions. My hybrids netted me a very low isk/hr figure and my losses, although mostly cheap hulls (hybrid ships being inexpensive) were stripping my wallet dry. I had to spend more and more time farming and less time getting into gangs with my corp.
HiRider Colonial Fleet Services Independent Faction	Posted - 2011.03.19 05:05:00 - [9] Edited by: HiRider on 19/03/2011 05:05:52 Originally by: Songbird haha - I actually flew a ferox in pvp fleet for a while, with blasters, buddies disapproval and all that. The weird thing was that since nobody had seen such a ship in pvp before I went for months without being primaried. I didn't do a bunch of damage - I mean by the time I got into range most primaries were dead , but sure as hell saved some money on ships :). Sure it's a useless fleet member but I had fun. The last time I flew a ferox like that in pvp ended a little differently. Here And then here first I melted some face and then and lastly here I got called primary over all other targets. .
Swynet	Posted - 2011.03.19 12:33:00 - [10] Edited by: Swynet on 19/03/2011 12:33:30 Originally by: Songbird haha - I actually flew a ferox in pvp fleet for a while, with blasters, buddies disapproval and all that. The weird thing was that since nobody had seen such a ship in pvp before I went for months without being primaried. OMG you really belive your dreams are for truth... Because anyone with a single neuron, and even a rat could do it, whenever it sees the easy picking in the fleet/gang he's the first who eats the steel. you should try out of noob zones. Maybe it's time to wake up. ________________________________________________ Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
Pod Amarr	Posted - 2011.03.19 14:52:00 - [11] I think that it is the FC he flew again that need to wake up. Pod
Fredfredbug4 Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.19 16:43:00 - [12] The Ferox is more of a fleet ship than a solo PVE ship. When fitting it keep it's range bonus in mind and work around that. The Ferox is often regarded as a bad ship but when fitted properly it does the job well. Megathron is regarded as the best railgun ship. High damage output and massive tank. The problem with hybrids is that they have very poor tracking. All an enemy needs to do is see whether you are using blasters or rails and either move in close or stay far. If you like gunnery though, Amarr or Minmatar are probably better options as their ships focus on their gunnery.
Millia Severasse	Posted - 2011.03.19 18:07:00 - [13] Not going to say it's impossible, but the odds of CCP taking the time to rebalance rails is slim to none. Train into minmatar while you're younger and you'll have fewer regrets later.
Songbird Gallente T.I.E. Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.20 12:52:00 - [14] Originally by: Swynet Edited by: Swynet on 19/03/2011 12:33:30 Originally by: Songbird haha - I actually flew a ferox in pvp fleet for a while, with blasters, buddies disapproval and all that. The weird thing was that since nobody had seen such a ship in pvp before I went for months without being primaried. OMG you really belive your dreams are for truth... Because anyone with a single neuron, and even a rat could do it, whenever it sees the easy picking in the fleet/gang he's the first who eats the steel. you should try out of noob zones. Maybe it's time to wake up. Not sure if English is your first language but from what I read you doubt my word? Or at least that's how I interpret this? I'm thinking that every reasonable FC would actually preffer to take out the cane with it's 6 220mm AC's than a ferox with it's 5% resistance to shield per level and the impressive non bonused blasters(not for damage anyway) with a range of about 3km. I'm not proud that I flew that ship - but after I lost another BC that was all I could put together in the local station and after that it never got blown up. When i left the corp I think I abandoned it in the pos or w/e. But believe you me - a ferox is not a high priority target and it can be tough - 20k shield IIRC .
Malcanis Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous Scum Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.20 16:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Huna'ra Shaishi Edited by: Huna''ra Shaishi on 19/03/2011 04:05:13 Originally by: Songbird if you want high adrenaline pve action you could always go megathong with blasters and MWD. Might have to depend on cap boosters but speeding towards the blob of rats, webbing them and then blowing them to chunks with blasters might be fun. Of course the standard PVE gallente ship is the domi, rails, sentry drones and patience - actually you might be better training for navy raven. But if you are set on hybrids pve I'd have to mention the kronos - it's a marauder and by definition the pve ship of gallente. It's the worst marauder in the game - sure , but it can tank and have rails and maybe even finish a mission or 2. I rather expected answers like this, but it's depressing all the same. sigh What's a railgun fan to do? Complain on the forums while training up T2 Large projectiles. See which gives you the best results. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente Halinallen veroparatiisi Inglorious Carebears	Posted - 2011.03.20 17:11:00 - [16] And eventually you will find out that you will want all the weapon systems. I like blasters, hate rails (who wouldn't?), I love autocannons, haven't really gone into arties yet. I like torps, but haven't done missiles yet. It's what you like to fly and in the end you will notice that it certain race has a nice cruiser, another one a nice battlecruiser, some have very nice battleships and some have the best frigs. You might even find the "best" ships being from two races and so on. You will crosstrain my friend, it's only a question of when. Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Von Kroll Caldari Kroll's Legion	Posted - 2011.03.21 02:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Huna'ra Shaishi Well, the issue I ran into before was simply there wasn't enough time in my RL day to devote to missions. My hybrids netted me a very low isk/hr figure and my losses, although mostly cheap hulls (hybrid ships being inexpensive) were stripping my wallet dry. I had to spend more and more time farming and less time getting into gangs with my corp. Well, if you're looking to optimize your mission income, probably will want to train away away from rail boats to do it. It is feasible, and some people just enjoy the challenge. For PvP, I like what rails bring to the fleet. While the DPS isn't great, the ability to suppress Blackbirds and Falcons at range is a great capability for the FC. Notice I said suppress and not destroy. But an ECM boat off the field is as good as a kill. I've got more fleet kills in a Ferox with medium rails than any other ship/fit. The ability to immediately go to guns (since you can hit at practically any range) immediately without burning into range of the target is something to consider when comparing the effective DPS of the Rail Ferox with some of its peers. I've never used blasters on it except for solo work. That being said, I like the Ferox and the Moa, although both are tough to fit and need some decent support skills.

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