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Herrring Amarr National Quality Breaker	Posted - 2011.03.20 17:45:00 - [1] You can still find targets easily if you know where people are(I.E. FW systems?, altho you will likely get blobbed) Also less people in low sec means its easier to identify hostiles on local when they actually come looking for targets while you pve. Sentry guns also mean gate campers cant use ceptors(or lose them) so you can move safely by using MWD T2 cloak trick. Its all good right now. There are "fight club" systems, and the rest of the 0-5 people local systems have plenty of isk to be made from.
Frau Klaps Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.03.20 17:54:00 - [2] Phew; I'm glad we cleared that up. ---
rofflesausage	Posted - 2011.03.20 18:01:00 - [3] People always want to change what they don't understand.
Zeerover Wolfsbrigade	Posted - 2011.03.20 18:03:00 - [4] Originally by: rofflesausage People always want to change what they don't understand. Pretty much this.
Hesperius	Posted - 2011.03.20 18:10:00 - [5] Originally by: rofflesausage People always want to change what they don't understand. R.I.P cruse launcher fit stealth bombers
Outouchmatralala	Posted - 2011.03.20 18:15:00 - [6] Edited by: Outouchmatralala on 20/03/2011 18:16:58 Originally by: Herrring You can still find targets easily if you know where people are(I.E. FW systems?, altho you will likely get blobbed) Also less people in low sec means its easier to identify hostiles on local when they actually come looking for targets while you pve. Sentry guns also mean gate campers cant use ceptors(or lose them) so you can move safely by using MWD T2 cloak trick. Its all good right now. There are "fight club" systems, and the rest of the 0-5 people local systems have plenty of isk to be made from. Thanks for sharing ur view/opinion. The ability to move around with mwd cloak sucks for lowsec pvp cuz you can't catch ****. FW doods are making billions by doing missions in frigates/bombers and cant' be caught. Having the ability to see who's a friend or foe ruins the fun of lowsec so naturally people are angry that lowsec isn't fun. Let me know if i missed anything. EDIT: oh also the whole cloaking/unprobable t3 missioning thing means you can do everything you want in highsec, in lowsec (and can't be caught)
Frau Klaps Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.03.20 18:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Outouchmatralala FW doods are making billions by doing missions in frigates/bombers and cant' be caught. Sorry it's a Dramiel, it's just the latest FW bomber on my kb. There are more. ---
Outouchmatralala	Posted - 2011.03.20 19:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Frau Klaps Originally by: Outouchmatralala FW doods are making billions by doing missions in frigates/bombers and cant' be caught. Sorry it's a Dramiel, it's just the latest FW bomber on my kb. There are more. grats, have fun flying ur frigates, but i'm not going to fly them exclusively in lowsec. What about the others.
Baenus	Posted - 2011.03.20 19:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Hesperius Originally by: rofflesausage People always want to change what they don't understand. R.I.P cruse launcher fit stealth bombers R.I.P cruise fit caracal's
Frau Klaps Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.03.20 19:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Outouchmatralala grats, have fun flying ur frigates, but i'm not going to fly them exclusively in lowsec. What about the others. If you don't want to fly frigates then don't. I was just indicating it's perfectly possible to catch these FW bombers. ---

Outouchmatralala	Posted - 2011.03.20 19:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Frau Klaps Originally by: Outouchmatralala grats, have fun flying ur frigates, but i'm not going to fly them exclusively in lowsec. What about the others. If you don't want to fly frigates then don't. I was just indicating it's perfectly possible to catch these FW bombers. Stop posting for no reason, its obvious i understood whats possible and whats not. You're not contributing to the discussion, just trying to take people down a peg.
Forum Troll Trolling Forum Trolling Corp	Posted - 2011.03.20 19:37:00 - [12] they want people to quit eve
Frau Klaps Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.03.20 19:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Outouchmatralala Originally by: Frau Klaps Originally by: Outouchmatralala grats, have fun flying ur frigates, but i'm not going to fly them exclusively in lowsec. What about the others. If you don't want to fly frigates then don't. I was just indicating it's perfectly possible to catch these FW bombers. Stop posting for no reason, its obvious i understood whats possible and whats not. You're not contributing to the discussion, just trying to take people down a peg. I was just indicating a counter to your claim without any smack. If that makes you mad maybe you should GTFO. ---
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.03.20 19:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Frau Klaps Originally by: Outouchmatralala FW doods are making billions by doing missions in frigates/bombers and cant' be caught. Sorry it's a Dramiel, it's just the latest FW bomber on my kb. There are more. I like the chat log on the vaga and a hic can get competitive scan res to an interceptor with rsb, and if they are just using the ceptor for decloaking/bumping they can do that anyways as that won't cause gcc. but two things going against that is people love to km ***, and most gatecamps are small and would be better off with another dps ship. the main thing I want to change about lowsec is to add more of it, there should never be a highsec to 0.0 jump point! also add some awesome lowsec roid belts <3 lowsec mining! and I'd like to see some more stations with multiple lv4q20 agents, the lowsec pocket I lived in had 2x ty agents, and that **ed me off
Montgomery Crabapple	Posted - 2011.03.20 21:16:00 - [15] To answer the OP, pirate carebears want more defenceless haulers in low sec to gank, docking up when someone actually bothers to get a gang together to fight them. Otherwise, low sec is fine as it is. This debate has been endlessly boring forum readers for at least six years.
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.03.20 21:19:00 - [16] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton the main thing I want to change about lowsec is to add more of it, there should never be a highsec to 0.0 jump point! also add some awesome lowsec roid belts <3 lowsec mining! and I'd like to see some more stations with multiple lv4q20 agents, the lowsec pocket I lived in had 2x **ty agents, and that **ed me off I'd love to see the LP rewards to be the same in lowsec, irregardless of system security. The risk in a 0.3-0.2 and the risk in a 0.1 is the same (dem evil players), the rewards should be same. As a bonus, the whole unscannable thing should go as well. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
Outouchmatralala	Posted - 2011.03.20 23:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Frau Klaps Originally by: Outouchmatralala Originally by: Frau Klaps Originally by: Outouchmatralala grats, have fun flying ur frigates, but i'm not going to fly them exclusively in lowsec. What about the others. If you don't want to fly frigates then don't. I was just indicating it's perfectly possible to catch these FW bombers. Stop posting for no reason, its obvious i understood whats possible and whats not. You're not contributing to the discussion, just trying to take people down a peg. I was just indicating a counter to your claim without any smack. If that makes you mad maybe you should GTFO. Thanks for proving my point.
Centri Sixx	Posted - 2011.03.20 23:56:00 - [18] It's easier to evade with FW SBs than get caught, spank. It's really easy if you just pay attention: gated missions and fast align give a lot more time to react than in a belt, and they sure can survive the infrequent gate camps better than other ships. The faction ships didn't get so cheap because pro pirates made FW missions hard to complete, after all. I think people want to change it because they want piracy in the game, not people who just gank anyone they see. They want a pirate, outlaw culture and EVE just isn't giving it. Lowsec is a better place than 0.0 because its harder to deny access too.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.03.21 00:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Patient 2428190 I'd love to see the LP rewards to be the same in lowsec, irregardless of system security. The risk in a 0.3-0.2 and the risk in a 0.1 is the same (dem evil players), the rewards should be same. As a bonus, the whole unscannable thing should go as well. yea that part too! I'm not entirely against getting rid of unscanable fits, but not for it either. the predator/prey ratio is just too skewed in most cases. but at the same time you shouldn't ever be 100% safe.
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2011.03.21 01:04:00 - [20] there's no need to change low-sec Its good to have less inhabited and more inhabitated areas on a map... its got a little different set of rules and flavor.. -- it certainly isn't a negative to the game having low-sec NOW, if people want a type of play that doesn't exist, talk about that in its own right. like "it would be cool if there was an area of space where these rules fit in" "it would be great to have more npc 0.0 where there weren't any bubbles or super carriers" "it would be great to have an area where blobs didn't work" There are lots of good ideas and bad ideas that people might have. Whether or not the current lo-sec space is where those game changes/expansions take place is a seperate consideration...certainly something that might be decided at the same time.. but people are acting like dissing low sec is a way to push for their own agenda...sort of like in the musical comedy with the "you got trouble , with a capital T that rymes with P that stands for Pool"(which he used attacking the influence of a pool hall on kids with the need to buy his overpirced instruments he was selling"

sableye principle of motion	Posted - 2011.03.21 02:02:00 - [21] the people who want to change low security fall into mainly 3 catergory's. 1) people who want to kill more people there 2) people who think lower security should give more reward, this mainly includes 0.0 for all what people say about security of 0.0 in an allaince the resources are scare were as level 4's are worth about the same and unlimted and alot fo 0.0 can't compete espially when hudging on risk. 3)people in empire who think if only they could make more than empire out there (weighntingt he risk) they;d be out there in aheart beat to face off to pirates, the reality of this group is they still probably would;nt move and if they did they'd be pirates. ----------------------------------------- View The North Star! In All Its Glory!!
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2011.03.21 02:23:00 - [22] I would like to see what the dev was discussing with CSM about being able to attack moon mining arrays to force fights and get moon goo.
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.03.21 05:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Patient 2428190 I'd love to see the LP rewards to be the same in lowsec, irregardless of system security. The risk in a 0.3-0.2 and the risk in a 0.1 is the same (dem evil players), the rewards should be same. As a bonus, the whole unscannable thing should go as well. yea that part too! I'm not entirely against getting rid of unscanable fits, but not for it either. the predator/prey ratio is just too skewed in most cases. but at the same time you shouldn't ever be 100% safe. Without probing ships, you could have a reason to move a decently sized corp/alliance in there to control the system. Since you could pull as many missions as much as you want, that system can support a lot more people NPCing in it than a typical nullsec system. Maybe a slight nudge to improve lowsec mission income to compensate for extra risk and/or whole new mission content, it would be viable alternative to living in poorer 0.0 or renting space. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.


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