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Deise Koraka Caldari Provisions Caldari State 26	Posted - 2012.08.28 22:49:00 - [1] - Quote CCP, you have done enough. High sec is fairly safe, barges are decently tanked. Can flipping is more or less gone, ganking is no longer profitable. Don't do anymore, at least leave high sec a place where it is still possible to die in a horrible fire if you are dumb. ____________________________ I am a carebear, and I support High Sec ganking and PvP. Just please, don't blow up my Hulk. <3 Mackinaw as of Inferno 1.2
Jim Era Genco Fatal Ascension 1422	Posted - 2012.08.28 22:52:00 - [2] - Quote post
Roll Sizzle Beef Space Mutiny 1008	Posted - 2012.08.28 22:54:00 - [3] - Quote More is to come with crimewatch. Yet not sure if very carebeary as it still requires them to open fire on reds.
Raiz Nhell DEEP CORPS 160	Posted - 2012.08.28 23:00:00 - [4] - Quote As a carebear myself I think they went too far... I love the new mining barges, they have given each a purpose, which they are very good at. But they are mining barges... they shouldn't be equipped to survive combat. And if you want them equipped to survive combat then fit them that way, sacrifice something, that's what has to happen with every other ship. Highsec shouldn't be "safe" it should just a place where transgressors are punished. We should have been forced to tank our barges, or bring friends with guns, not be handed out BB sized EHP on something that is in effect a bulldozer. There is no such thing as a fair fight... If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Roll Sizzle Beef Space Mutiny 1008	Posted - 2012.08.28 23:06:00 - [5] - Quote Raiz Nhell wrote: As a carebear myself I think they went too far... I love the new mining barges, they have given each a purpose, which they are very good at. But they are mining barges... they shouldn't be equipped to survive combat. And if you want them equipped to survive combat then fit them that way, sacrifice something, that's what has to happen with every other ship. Highsec shouldn't be "safe" it should just a place where transgressors are punished. . They cant survive combat. Problem is eve has always been in a power creep upward in damage as they constantly try and fix and balance. Now they can once again survive 5-10 seconds pretty well from duo targets. If they were ever caught in a wardeck though. They wont survive 12 seconds, unless its a pro or skiff and with any luck its a trap anyway. What is currently broke still is NPC corps. Raiz Nhell wrote: We should have been forced to tank our barges, or bring friends with guns, not be handed out BB sized EHP on something that is in effect a bulldozer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlZh9-NQEyI
Tekniq Bionic Systems 1	Posted - 2012.08.28 23:07:00 - [6] - Quote why not make sec status kind of dynamic? at least for the low sec systems? less kills per hour, higher status - more concord. more kills - or less players -> lower sec status. this way it would be a bit more dynamic - and maybe some null sec alliance would love to have some carebear trading for a while but needed to defense that highsec status for it.. dunno just an idea
Jim Era Genco Fatal Ascension 1424	Posted - 2012.08.28 23:08:00 - [7] - Quote so many complains. I wonder why EVE has so many subs when most of the posts are discussing leaving eve or hating it. if you don't like a game just scoop over to another one. If you do like it, try not to change it because you may end up changing more than you asked for. yes complains
Tikktokk Tokkzikk Cult of Escobar 103	Posted - 2012.08.28 23:23:00 - [8] - Quote Jim Era wrote: so many complains. I wonder why EVE has so many subs when most of the posts are discussing leaving eve or hating it. if you don't like a game just scoop over to another one. If you do like it, try not to change it because you may end up changing more than you asked for. yes complains Because there is no alternative to Eve? If you know about a game similar to Eve, do tell! I'd love to know where to go when CCP's marketing guys turn Eve into a themepark MMO.
Raiz Nhell DEEP CORPS 160	Posted - 2012.08.28 23:29:00 - [9] - Quote Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: Raiz Nhell wrote: As a carebear myself I think they went too far... I love the new mining barges, they have given each a purpose, which they are very good at. But they are mining barges... they shouldn't be equipped to survive combat. And if you want them equipped to survive combat then fit them that way, sacrifice something, that's what has to happen with every other ship. Highsec shouldn't be "safe" it should just a place where transgressors are punished. . They cant survive combat. Problem is eve has always been in a power creep upward in damage as they constantly try and fix and balance. Now they can once again survive 5-10 seconds pretty well from duo targets. If they were ever caught in a wardeck though. They wont survive 12 seconds, unless its a pro or skiff and with any luck its a trap anyway. What is currently broke still is NPC corps. There is not enough tax, and no way to tax raw ore that is pumped to a refiner character. Raiz Nhell wrote: We should have been forced to tank our barges, or bring friends with guns, not be handed out BB sized EHP on something that is in effect a bulldozer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlZh9-NQEyI He fitted a tank to his dozer and its worked as a Tank... but in the end he would of been better off using the dozer as a dozer and getting a tank to run stuff over... There is no such thing as a fair fight... If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Deise Koraka Caldari Provisions Caldari State 27	Posted - 2012.08.28 23:39:00 - [10] - Quote Tikktokk Tokkzikk wrote: Jim Era wrote: so many complains. I wonder why EVE has so many subs when most of the posts are discussing leaving eve or hating it. if you don't like a game just scoop over to another one. If you do like it, try not to change it because you may end up changing more than you asked for. yes complains Because there is no alternative to Eve? If you know about a game similar to Eve, do tell! I'd love to know where to go when CCP's marketing guys turn Eve into a themepark MMO. Yeah, exactly. EvE messes with you at every level...even in high sec. I got undercut on the market again, I had my DED site loot stolen by a speed fit Loki...I've lost several barges (pre-patch) from random gankers. On the other side of the coin, 2 friends and I snuck into a wh the other day and did all the sleeper sites, escaping with a nice bit of isk. I know these are tiny little examples, but I don't have a lot of time to play EvE..the point is, even as a casual CB I can have a dynamic and varied game play experience. Taking these things...these unpredictable, sometimes evil things out of EvE turns it into WoW in space. No EvE player wants that. ____________________________ I am a carebear, and I support High Sec ganking and PvP. Just please, don't blow up my Hulk. <3 Mackinaw as of Inferno 1.2

Tor Gungnir Agenda Industries 394	Posted - 2012.08.29 01:20:00 - [11] - Quote Raiz Nhell wrote: Highsec shouldn't be "safe" it should just a place where transgressors are punished. High: adjective. tall - lofty - great -elevated - big noun. height - peak adverb. aloft - highly - up Security: noun. the state of being free from danger or threat My own opinion on the issue doesn't matter. Just felt like pointing that out to you. So far CCP is making it live up to it's definition. Just sayin' Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Deise Koraka Caldari Provisions Caldari State 30	Posted - 2012.08.29 03:03:00 - [12] - Quote Tor Gungnir wrote: High: adjective. tall - lofty - great -elevated - big noun. height - peak adverb. aloft - highly - up Security: noun. the state of being free from danger or threat My own opinion on the issue doesn't matter. Just felt like pointing that out to you. So far CCP is making it live up to it's definition. Just sayin' space/sp-üs/ Noun: A continuous area or expanse that is free, available, or unoccupied I guess CCP should delete everything from EvE too, to stay in line with Merriam Webster. ____________________________ I am a carebear, and I support High Sec ganking and PvP. Just please, don't blow up my Hulk. <3 Mackinaw as of Inferno 1.2
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1977	Posted - 2012.08.29 03:07:00 - [13] - Quote Deise Koraka wrote: Tor Gungnir wrote: High: adjective. tall - lofty - great -elevated - big noun. height - peak adverb. aloft - highly - up Security: noun. the state of being free from danger or threat My own opinion on the issue doesn't matter. Just felt like pointing that out to you. So far CCP is making it live up to it's definition. Just sayin' space/sp-üs/ Noun: A continuous area or expanse that is free, available, or unoccupied I guess CCP should delete everything from EvE too, to stay in line with Merriam Webster. By that definition people should be forced to take a survey before every highsec jump and fill out a flight plan with Concord Gÿ+/ /Gûî /n++ \ -áThis is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums.
Raiz Nhell DEEP CORPS 160	Posted - 2012.08.29 03:16:00 - [14] - Quote Tekniq wrote: why not make sec status kind of dynamic? at least for the low sec systems? less kills per hour, higher status - more concord. more kills - or less players -> lower sec status. this way it would be a bit more dynamic - and maybe some null sec alliance would love to have some carebear trading for a while but needed to defense that highsec status for it.. dunno just an idea I like the idea of dynamic security... But I think it should move opposite to what you have described... A certain number of kills per hour = a security response May a defeat-able version of CONCORD pushing out into lowsec... I don't like really like the line in the sand that is the low/high boundary... a more gradual cascade to lawlessness would be nice... There is no such thing as a fair fight... If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 1747	Posted - 2012.08.29 03:20:00 - [15] - Quote Deise Koraka wrote: CCP, you have done enough. High sec is fairly safe, barges are decently tanked. Can flipping is more or less gone, ganking is no longer profitable. Don't do anymore, at least leave high sec a place where it is still possible to die in a horrible fire if you are dumb. When I see the ganker nerfed to hell, null lovin', carebears suck threads exactly balance the Why is everyone picking on us poor peaceful high seccers?, null is dickville, gankers suck threads, I will know CCP has done enough. Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 280	Posted - 2012.08.29 03:21:00 - [16] - Quote Raiz Nhell wrote: Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: Raiz Nhell wrote: As a carebear myself I think they went too far... I love the new mining barges, they have given each a purpose, which they are very good at. But they are mining barges... they shouldn't be equipped to survive combat. And if you want them equipped to survive combat then fit them that way, sacrifice something, that's what has to happen with every other ship. Highsec shouldn't be "safe" it should just a place where transgressors are punished. . They cant survive combat. Problem is eve has always been in a power creep upward in damage as they constantly try and fix and balance. Now they can once again survive 5-10 seconds pretty well from duo targets. If they were ever caught in a wardeck though. They wont survive 12 seconds, unless its a pro or skiff and with any luck its a trap anyway. What is currently broke still is NPC corps. There is not enough tax, and no way to tax raw ore that is pumped to a refiner character. Raiz Nhell wrote: We should have been forced to tank our barges, or bring friends with guns, not be handed out BB sized EHP on something that is in effect a bulldozer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlZh9-NQEyI He fitted a tank to his dozer and its worked as a Tank... but in the end he would of been better off using the dozer as a dozer and getting a tank to run stuff over... Yet people keep saying to fit a tank, and many saying nothing but tank before the changes, to barges.
ashley Eoner 50	Posted - 2012.08.29 04:09:00 - [17] - Quote Raiz Nhell wrote: As a carebear myself I think they went too far... I love the new mining barges, they have given each a purpose, which they are very good at. But they are mining barges... they shouldn't be equipped to survive combat. And if you want them equipped to survive combat then fit them that way, sacrifice something, that's what has to happen with every other ship. Highsec shouldn't be "safe" it should just a place where transgressors are punished. We should have been forced to tank our barges, or bring friends with guns, not be handed out BB sized EHP on something that is in effect a bulldozer. High sec isn't "safe" I can kill you at any time if I feel like it.
Raiz Nhell DEEP CORPS 167	Posted - 2012.08.31 00:28:00 - [18] - Quote ashley Eoner wrote: Raiz Nhell wrote: As a carebear myself I think they went too far... I love the new mining barges, they have given each a purpose, which they are very good at. But they are mining barges... they shouldn't be equipped to survive combat. And if you want them equipped to survive combat then fit them that way, sacrifice something, that's what has to happen with every other ship. Highsec shouldn't be "safe" it should just a place where transgressors are punished. We should have been forced to tank our barges, or bring friends with guns, not be handed out BB sized EHP on something that is in effect a bulldozer. High sec isn't "safe" I can kill you at any time if I feel like it. I never want highsec to be safe... it shouldn't be safe... I welcome a bit of shooting... even if I'm doing bugger all in my mack... There is no such thing as a fair fight... If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Shizuken Venerated Stars 89	Posted - 2012.08.31 01:56:00 - [19] - Quote Deise Koraka wrote: CCP, you have done enough. High sec is fairly safe, barges are decently tanked. Can flipping is more or less gone, ganking is no longer profitable. Don't do anymore, at least leave high sec a place where it is still possible to die in a horrible fire if you are dumb. This whole thread seems oddly like those former global warming "skeptics" that have looked at the "new" data and have seen the light. Suiciding should always be possible, just like in real life. However, it should come with grave consequnces if used.
Lady Katherine Devonshire Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 43	Posted - 2012.08.31 02:03:00 - [20] - Quote Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: What is currently broke still is NPC corps. There is not enough tax, and no way to tax raw ore that is pumped to a refiner character. That may be a valid point. Perhaps NPC corps are being abused somewhat by veteran players, but then their purpose as a shelter for new players they are still needed. How about this then: New players in NPC corps begin at zero percent tax. However, for every month that they remain in a NPC their tax rate goes up by 1%, finally capping at 60% after five years.

Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 75	Posted - 2012.08.31 02:46:00 - [21] - Quote Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: Raiz Nhell wrote: As a carebear myself I think they went too far... I love the new mining barges, they have given each a purpose, which they are very good at. But they are mining barges... they shouldn't be equipped to survive combat. And if you want them equipped to survive combat then fit them that way, sacrifice something, that's what has to happen with every other ship. Highsec shouldn't be "safe" it should just a place where transgressors are punished. . They cant survive combat. Problem is eve has always been in a power creep upward in damage as they constantly try and fix and balance. Now they can once again survive 5-10 seconds pretty well from duo targets. If they were ever caught in a wardeck though. They wont survive 12 seconds, unless its a pro or skiff and with any luck its a trap anyway. What is currently broke still is NPC corps. There is not enough tax, and no way to tax raw ore that is pumped to a refiner character. Raiz Nhell wrote: We should have been forced to tank our barges, or bring friends with guns, not be handed out BB sized EHP on something that is in effect a bulldozer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlZh9-NQEyI Reminds me of that one guy who jacked an M-60 tank and went on a rampage himself. Don't remember what city it happened, it's been a while.
Ensign X 137	Posted - 2012.08.31 03:29:00 - [22] - Quote Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: no way to tax raw ore that is pumped to a refiner character. It's taxed at the market, like every single item that passes through there.
Lilianna Star SAZI Enterprises The Aslyum 82	Posted - 2012.08.31 05:10:00 - [23] - Quote I'm a carebear too. I do think that high sec being on the safer side is a good thing. That said, I think high sec is also too rewarding. I only have to spend a few days in high sec mining ice on my alt to pay for a single battleship. And at the moment I can produce like around a dozen of my preferred fitting. Endless money faucet just to feed into my expensive habits.
Hypercake Mix Magical Rainbow Bakery 20	Posted - 2012.08.31 06:09:00 - [24] - Quote High-sec needs to be there to facilitate that journey out. Each nerf is that many less ventures out and that many more people trapped in high-sec. Each buff is that many more ventures out and that many more people feeling comfortable in high-sec.
Matriarch Prime Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 46	Posted - 2012.08.31 06:19:00 - [25] - Quote Carebear Stare! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWODu_7rl5I
FRONT TOWARD ENEMY Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.08.31 06:52:00 - [26] - Quote Roll Sizzle Beef wrote: Raiz Nhell wrote: As a carebear myself I think they went too far... I love the new mining barges, they have given each a purpose, which they are very good at. But they are mining barges... they shouldn't be equipped to survive combat. And if you want them equipped to survive combat then fit them that way, sacrifice something, that's what has to happen with every other ship. Highsec shouldn't be "safe" it should just a place where transgressors are punished. . They cant survive combat. Problem is eve has always been in a power creep upward in damage as they constantly try and fix and balance. Now they can once again survive 5-10 seconds pretty well from duo targets. If they were ever caught in a wardeck though. They wont survive 12 seconds, unless its a pro or skiff and with any luck its a trap anyway. What is currently broke still is NPC corps. There is not enough tax, and no way to tax raw ore that is pumped to a refiner character. Raiz Nhell wrote: We should have been forced to tank our barges, or bring friends with guns, not be handed out BB sized EHP on something that is in effect a bulldozer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlZh9-NQEyI Power creep? What do you mean? Increase in peak DPS from ships vs. available tank? If so, you're 100% wrong. CCP has, if anything, increased tank and EHP radically, while continuously reducing peak DPS output of all ships across the board. So no, no "power creep".
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 142	Posted - 2012.08.31 07:49:00 - [27] - Quote CCP needs to raise the the NPC-corp tax to 15%, protection from wardecs should have a price. Not to mention having another ISK sink. Now for new players, they already start in their own special NPC Corp. For this one, the tax rate should be zero or perhaps 1%, but one should automatically transferred into a "normal" NPC Corp after one month. No problem whatsoever with granting a certain protection to newbies, but stop the abuse by non-noobs (anyone who can fly a mining barge can be considered a non-noob, imo). Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Gillia Winddancer Shiny Noble Crown Services 58	Posted - 2012.08.31 08:15:00 - [28] - Quote As a carebear (trader for the time being), I still say that CCP should find a way to remove concord altogether at some point. Let players deal with crime themselves entirely, but at the same time allow for pirates to perform raids and ganks and whatnot else without getting fingered by God in the process. However there should be consequences for criminals obviously. Denied high sec docking rights for starters, regular police hounding them, proper crimewatch with criminals being constantly blinking red to everyone with a positive sec status and so on. It's not like the empires should support ciminals in the open like that. High sec should be "safer" after all, not "safe". Big difference. Again, I'll be sticking to my belief that concord limits EVE in the long run. Whilst necessary at this point to keep chaos at bay, there are many ways to control it without the need for an immortal police fleet.
Anunzi High House Of Shadows Tribal Band 6	Posted - 2012.08.31 08:16:00 - [29] - Quote Deise Koraka wrote: CCP, you have done enough. High sec is fairly safe, barges are decently tanked. Can flipping is more or less gone, ganking is no longer profitable. Don't do anymore, at least leave high sec a place where it is still possible to die in a horrible fire if you are dumb. I'm confused, you claim to be a carebear, yet you are not bleating on about how nobody should be able to harm youGÇª This post makes no sense. Are you sure you are a cearbear? If you are, then props to you, EvE needs MOAR players with your attitude to keep things right. Fly safe and happy mining pilot. Oh seven.
Cede Forster 38	Posted - 2012.08.31 08:51:00 - [30] - Quote well, they need to bring the pirate update now hijacking ships. stealing cargo, exploding transporters



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