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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.01 22:05:00 -
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Player Owned Structures, Outposts and Stations The type of anomalies spawned by sovereignty upgrades now will be affected by the security status of the system. See CCP Greyscale's blog (http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=883) for more information. Please note that these changes will take effect within the first week after deployment and will not all be updated immediately after the patch is deployed.
its in the patch notes great move CCP much love !
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.01 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: bloody johnroberts lol after ccp presents and being asked to get new member to come and play eve i find it hard to understand how we could do this after the new patch
dont be silly ... MM has lot of moongoo just ask your leaders for a bit
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.01 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: bloody johnroberts you fail to understand this is not about 1 alliance this is about every alliance north south east or west everyone is affected unless you stay in high sec
you fail to understand or dont want to that theres more in 00 than anomalies
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.01 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Antigue
Originally by: Skaarl the april fools jokes are mounts in stations, its about halfway down the list of stickies. this is for real.
Even CCP can¦t be stupid enough to seriously suggest this, It has to be a ******ed joke!
its real its in the patch notes and makes perfect sense .. if you look at all the posts here
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.01 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Picado Pitviper Edited by: Picado Pitviper on 01/04/2011 22:29:37 So here's something interesting from another CSM blog and I quote:
"Mounts are coming to Incarna reported by CCP Soundwave | 2011.04.01 10:51:31 | NEW | Comments
The next revelation is Incarna Mounts. That's right. It's finally going to happen. We've listened to your feedback and now we're going to give you what you've wanted for so long -- your very own pets in Incarna for your Captain's Quarters."
75 pages of feedback here on the anomaly nerf but I don't think CCP is listening.
lol pic
cannot wait till i ride my mount with various pets by my side in station
hope this gene splicing skills are lvl 24 and take ages to train
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.01 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: Lt Pizi on 01/04/2011 22:33:48
Originally by: Travis J Penken According to dotlan maps...
Dark-rising
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Dark-Rising
holds ... 0 systems, have 0 outposts... and is affected by this change by ... 0 %
true but we were down there did hold systems and i ran 20 or so sanctums the whole year ..
and if we goin back im sure we will not grab a ****ty system
edit and i still willnot run anomalies ..
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.01 23:00:00 -
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because CCP has brought me a game that provides me with endless entertainment <<<<< i agree with this and now that sanctums are tied to sec status your whole entertainment is gone ??
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.01 23:12:00 -
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A properly fitted Guardian costs anywhere in the region of 120-150M, depending on where you buy it. While many replacement programs cover this ship, most do not cover the whole cost of the ship itself. This means that in order to get into fun enviornments
i agree with that you should talk with your leaders, because logi ships should always be fully replaced
since you seem to be open minded .. you really should try other aspects of eve to make money , because shooting the same NPC¦s over and over again will become booring and you leaving at 1 point anyway
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.01 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: bp920091
Originally by: Lt Pizi A properly fitted Guardian costs anywhere in the region of 120-150M, depending on where you buy it. While many replacement programs cover this ship, most do not cover the whole cost of the ship itself. This means that in order to get into fun enviornments
i agree with that you should talk with your leaders, because logi ships should always be fully replaced
since you seem to be open minded .. you really should try other aspects of eve to make money , because shooting the same NPC¦s over and over again will become booring and you leaving at 1 point anyway
I have talked to my leaders and while they will cover the ship, increaing costs due to warfare and replacing ships en masse (30 guardians does cost a lot to replace) means that only the ship itself can be replaced, no modules/rigs (which can cost a fair amount) is an inevitable change that has to be made for now. i have also tried other ways to make money, yet most of them take longer than i can commit during the average day. During the day, i can put at most an hour or an hour and a half into EVE, and during the weekend, there are too many operations going on that i do wish to take part in, seriously cutting down on the potential to make cash.
While one can argue that Complexes (the ones you have to scan down) do not take a long time, consider the fact that they do take a while to find/scan down/complete, with some of the harder ones (10/10) requiring more than 1 person, with rare exceptions.
Ratting in Sanctums/Havens are ideal for me, as they allow me to essentially make cash when i can, so i can actually pvp in decent ships during times where i can actually get fights. Taking them away for me for no real reason that was explained well (or made sense to any person living in 0.0 for any real time) really decreases my satisfaction and entertainment value with this game, because that is what it is after all, a "Game."
i always tell new players or older if they askme this
DON'T rat for a ship .. rat for something that creates passive income DON'T sell a plex for a new ship ... buy something with it that generates passive income
this may mean that in the beginning you may fly not the best ships .. but in the long run you are able to afford more and more and don't HAVE to rat you can do it for fun from time to time but you are not forced to like all the ppl complaining now
i understand that it is easy to just undock warp to a santum kill a few rats and see insta gratification when the wallet flashes but in the long run its getting old
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.01 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Antigue
Consider all the renters alt accounts for cynos, logistics and stuff. It is not realistic to assume that a huge number of players will leave but it is very realistic to believe that they will not pay for additional accounts that will not serve them any longer. So even concerning this side of the matter this has to be a joke rather then a well thought plan.
thats why ccp is so great they do not listen to whiners nor to the threat of loosing a few accounts
they think their game is in "danger" and react if they are right i dunno but i trust em more then all you armchair devs here
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.02 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ashaai
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab You're getting dismissed cause this thread is nothing but a big QQ with a lot of splerg and rage, not actual reasonable discussion.
Greyscale has already gotten positive feedback from (at least parts) of the CSM and SHC discussion is much in favor.
I think you misunderstand what dialogue means. There is a lot of splerg and rage here because there has been no discussion. They did not come here to discuss how this change could be made. They declared an ill-conceived, poorly executed change was going to happen and **** off if you don't like it.
If there is so much CSM and SHC support for this change (I strenuously doubt there's as much as you suggest), it's not showing up here. What is showing up here is a lot of disagreement both about the purpose of the change and its impact, much of it well-substantiated (which you've just clearly ignored because you don't care to read it).
So far as I can tell, supporters of this change justify their support either for reasons that have nothing to do with anything said in the devblog (nerfing isk sinks is important for the economy) or because they simply like "carebear tears." I have not heard a single cogent argument supporting the notion that this will have any meaningful, beneficial impact on the nullsec environment.
Greyscale's own comments are internally inconsistent, so...excuse me for thinking a change of this magnitude ought to have some better justification than "at least parts" of the CSM and SHC supporting it, compared to many others who don't and a dev who can't express himself clearly. That doesn't seem too much to ask.
look at it from a larger PoV
the old saying is dont fly what you cant afford to loose
now look at certain alliances
they are far beyond that point they welping titans after titans and supers fleets (and subcaps ) not so long ago loosing a few **** lost would break an ally now you just shrug it off
what this change will bring is imo
- renters will pay less or stop paying at all - the average Joe will demand a good ship replacement program and leaders will need to pay out , not loosing their 5th titan and so on
will these changes be enough ? i doubt it ccp will watch were this leads to and i fear more pain incoming
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.02 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Antigue Edited by: Antigue on 02/04/2011 01:29:53
Originally by: Lt Pizi
look at it from a larger PoV
the old saying is dont fly what you cant afford to loose
now look at certain alliances
they are far beyond that point they welping titans after titans and supers fleets (and subcaps ) not so long ago loosing a few **** lost would break an ally now you just shrug it off
what this change will bring is imo
- renters will pay less or stop paying at all - the average Joe will demand a good ship replacement program and leaders will need to pay out , not loosing their 5th titan and so on
will these changes be enough ? i doubt it ccp will watch were this leads to and i fear more pain incoming
How terribly wrong you are. This does not affect the large ALLIANCES at all as they got their income out our moongoo. This does affect ONLY small alliances and players. It will destroy a diversity of renters in space. It will NOT AT ALL break the large alliances. But it will destroy life in nullsec for at least 80% of the renters. This means less conflict among renters and even bigger blobs. This will mean less pew pew as there are only 2 options: 1) The freakin system is empty anyway 2) The system is worth it to keep sov and rat so there will be the blob concentrated.
In the end there will be a few huge powerblocks that control the entire nullsec and for younger players with lesser SP and no supers it will be almost impossible to join them.
The only thing this patch would be good for is to finally destroy most of the smaller NC corps/alliances. But then again it is really sad that you need to patch away alliances and naps by punishing the common grunt. So all this would be in favour of large alliances by completly destroying renters. And don¦t be fooled. There will not be any "good ship reimbursements" instead of titans. Very much the opposite. If you can bring in supers you are welcome if not, then not. So this is an extremly r.e.t.a.r.d.e.d. idea back to super blocks and away from small and medium scale pew pew.
Edit: The easiest way to create drama that will lead pretty soon into fights is to remove the options to set standings for alliances and corps outside their own alliance. That would cause drama and lead to fights rather sooner then later.
you just replying ? read it to the end
i highlight it for you
will these changes be enough ? i doubt it ccp will watch were this leads to and i fear more pain incoming
be prepared to rage in a few month again
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.02 01:42:00 -
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what brain ??
they patched sanctums in and the moon goo revamp now they takin it away
you rage i applaud em to see the error ...
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.02 01:47:00 -
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do you really beleave the few few hundred of individuals that posted here are an even near to an educated guess what ppl think ?
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.02 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mizukage Madara now all we can do is wait relax... and enjoy the rest .
this pretty much
either enjoy the game or leave (and if you leave sell your stuff and sent it to plex for good :=)
there are games out were you can farm mindless npc for 24 hours over and over again if that suits you better
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.02 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: HSG Bomber Edited by: HSG Bomber on 02/04/2011 13:01:49 this nerf will be the end of my income and the end of playing eve for me.
CCP if you need more money, nerf this stupid plex method and make it possible to buy isk for real money.
if this is irony i apologize
if not i feel bad about the future of mankind
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.02 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Antigue
Originally by: Evelgrivion
EDIT: As a disclaimer, when I say "ISK Source," I mean a faucet that creates ISK that didn't exist before hand. To pre-empt arguments, Moon Minerals do not create ISK.
Once again you miss the point. The problem is not generating isk. It is rather sinking isk. Say you buy a ship for 100 million, engage someone, your ship explodes. Is there an isk sink? No ofc not. Your 100 millions are still circling in the system. To refund your ship you need to rat and generate another 100 mill. Now there are 200 mill circling. The problem is that there are some very exclusive materials coming from very limited moons. Where do you think will you money end up? Exactly in the wallet of those who got the monopoly on these moons. Is there an ISK-sink? Yes by paying sov bills, taxes and NPC stuff. But this does not make up for the huge amount of isk they gain by their monopoly. That easily explains why the average player does not have billions over billions but the monopolists do have it. So what effect would it have to cut off the common players income? None! The monopolists create their own prices that are not at all dependant on demand and supply, simply because you need these materials to produce and you will not get them from anyone else. Well there is a little "but". But if lots of smaller alliances could afford and build supers aswell, their monopoly would be endanger to be taken over by new ambitious guys. I¦m sure SHC does not speak for any of the monopolists. Oh wait.... maybe not so sure. Better safe then sorry
so now what CCP tries to achive that the moongoo pays for your ship not your ratting money
if that can be done then goal reached i would say
youre an coalition of BFF were is the problem when the coalution helps out the poor grunt with moon money ?
or maybe youre not so good BFF then greed will kick in and war will start
another goal archieved
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.02 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Lt Pizi on 02/04/2011 13:40:39 The moongoo didn¦t pay for the ships in the past so why should it pay for it in the future?
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you have no data on this so we will see
have fun sitting in your SC and titan without support ... some learned it already the hard way
so if you want to keep your everage Joe comming in his sub cap you need to help him out
this bad ? hell no
all you doomsayers need to remember ... it worked before so why should it fail now
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.02 14:19:00 -
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Before there wasnt PI before there wasnt WH
minerals are at an long time high, noc 10 times it was before
they nerfed the mineral inflow from the DR now its time for the rest
will it be the end of the changes no its a long way and it creates many tears
but imo its for the better of the economy and the game
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.02 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Geralden Try to respond the the post I made.
Not just ONE of the arguments. Try respond to the station situation, the number of people in local...
Minerals at an alltime high? Do you play the same EVE as i do?
PI... no. Just, no. I tried it for 6 weeks, and my hands/wrists are still recovering. The inteface is worse than most of my games made for the c64 back in 1984.
Stations - again, let's be able to pull them down, then maybe we can save some billions each month, by NOT paying upkeep. Problem is, you CANT.
try PI again .. it has improved much , it is far from a clickfest now then use your frekkin station to base of todo WH when we were in fountain there were like 10 WH¦s in the constelation these can support alot of players
there was alot of money to be made in 00 before sanctums and there still is after the patch if you cant see it i cannot help you
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.02 15:08:00 -
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you need to accept the fact that the game is currently moving away from npc injected isk
so as sooner you accept this and look for alternative ways to generate income , the more fun you will have in the future
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.02 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: UJust Lost TheGAME
In unrelated news, CCP greyscale has been chosen for fanfest 2012's chess boxing event. \O/
HAHAHA will he be BRAIN (my choice) or PAIN (wich will also fit) ?
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.03 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Antigue The first bigger alliances have already claimed their right for 32er Moons and ordered their renters to dismantle POSes there. Yeah it¦s getting more and more vibrant and interesting MR. Greyscale. And wohoo I heard of exactly 0 and I repeat for you dumb.ass ZERO alliances that called in their members to resettle and start a war for better sanctum systems. What does that tell you Mr. Greyscale?
Can¦t wait for the day til this epic failure gets booted.
hahahaha
it works already as he said large powerblocks will become more unstable
the meatshields leaving or if they have sume guts they turn on their masters
i told you 10 pages before greed will kick in now relocate to npc space or lowsec put a cov cyno in their soon tobe ratting hubs and gank em ... its alot of fun i promise you and good loot
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.03 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Antigue
Originally by: Lost'In'Space
Originally by: Antigue 55 kills in lowsec... I rofled! Nice troll
Not everyone participates in 1000 v 1000 to be in on 1000+ killmails doing 0.01% damages.
Learn to read killboards! And now go on playing fanboy for changes that doesn¦t affect you in any way.
Apparently you missed my post some pages ago where I stated that despite having much fun, RL sh!t happened and I had to leave my 0.0 stay.
Anyway unlike pathetic crybabies like you, I have ventured in 0.0 in a damn RUPTURE (could not pilot better yet) and had a blast with it.
Link
CCP caters to those like ME who go out in a Rupture to pew pew, not those who feel they NEED a cheat T3 unprobable Tengu to go... rat.
Also, having a low end SP did not net me tasty KMs (they were bugged at the time too and did not show all).
Still this is RUPTURES bravely going to tackle a carrier.
I guess some one else got the KM and... my role was not to kill. Mitch Taylor hired new players and made them scout and tackle and I am fuk!ng missing those times.
Roams like this were what EvE is about.
Now you can kindly return to your crying.
ello Vaerah 07
sure i remember you in fact we talked about you and your project not so long ago in corp
hope you be back some day until then fly save mate
that said look me up on battleclinic i dont want to brag .. but ive done it all (beside paying ransom or rant)
AND I AGREE WITH EVERY SINGLE WORD SHE SAID
you can goin on and on and on to rage against CCP or do what others have sugested and get sum guts and now its payback time to your landlords
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Danastar 2 things are nerfed here - dev's brains and CCP's attitude towards us - its customers. Very bad decision making (if you are little bit familiar with 0.0 life, you know what i mean), no response from CCP despite the huge negative reaction (Grayscale's shy try outs to label all the sh177y thoughts in his head under "thinking process" doesn't count).
Unfortunately for us, the players, the bucket of sh17s that's been pouring down from Grascale's team on us, has spread its stinky clouds over the other departments in CCP as well. WTF is this CCP - link . We don't need your Zoo here. And we don't want to feed tamagotchis too. We want SPACE SHIPS, to shoot at other ppl's SPACE SHIPS in SPACE. Obviously, you can't give that to us.
me shakes had in shame
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:42:00 -
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the rage makes em so freekin blind and let em search for any argument (may it be as small as a atom) against CCP it was with every big game adjustment ....... remember the nano thread ? when things cleard up i hope at least some ppl will see their error
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Antigue
Originally by: Rubenson THANK YOU CCP FOR DOING THIS!!!!
By the time I heard about this I had in mind only one thing. The dissolution of the imperialistic coalition that is the NC. I hope NC splits in half and a massive 1 year war starts named "East and West".
Today I read the blog stating the obvious ideas that the dev team had.
Originally by: "CCP Greyscale" Expected consequences
Some alliances will immediately start wanting to look for better space In the longer run, there'll be more conflicts going on, with more localized goals Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec Coalitions will be marginally less stable Alliances will have to choose more carefully what space they develop, where their staging systems are, and so on (low truesec systems generally tend to be in strategically inconvenient places)
DEAL WITH IT!!!
Bravo Grayscale!
Im far away from being a NC fanboy but one thing annoys me really: Using ingame methods to harm them would have been pr0. Patching them away is lame. Plus: They patch away any smaller alliance in nullsec.
i told you this before ...
THEY are the gods .. they gave it now they take it away (for the better imo)
they dont patch nc away .... if they are BFF all wil be the same if they are greedy lil bast ards .... i say grays goal acomplished
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Antigue
Originally by: Lt Pizi
i told you this before ...
THEY are the gods .. they gave it now they take it away (for the better imo)
they dont patch nc away .... if they are BFF all wil be the same if they are greedy lil bast ards .... i say grays goal acomplished
LOL CCP obviously is your god. I¦m a paying customer and whenever they play god I always got the choice to stop paying them. Guess it is pretty safe to say that -except yourself ofc- noone will accept them as god. And I have seen too many homemade gods falling so it is just a matter of time until CCP will learn it the hard way.
ingame they are the gods their decition is final
do i like CCP¦s way? - yes do i agree with all decisions they made hell no introducing of PI was a huge mess - but it corrected over time moon mineral/T2 production nees of moon goo was another one - i hope thats next on their agenda for industrial 00 revamp
will i quit if the game doesnt apeal anymore - sure in a heartbeat but i will just go not making endles threats of quitting and i will not quit over such a little thing this is
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.03 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Antigue
Do not turn against the vast majority of your player base.
HAHAHA you finally made me giggle
do you really think that the majority are even on the board ?
there was a study how many ppl read the boards of an mmo and it was like 3-4 % but lets say this is eve and 10 % read it
thats out of 360k ppl 36k now lets asume everyone has 3 accounts ....
thats 12k RL ppl
now we have 2500 posts lets asume everyone made only 2 post thats 1200 RL ppl out of 12k forum visitors (10%) or 120k real players (1%) and i staced the numbers highly in your favor
another pov - highsecers they really dont care .. why would they -low seccers same - 00 big allies the good ones will shrug it off like they always do the bad ones will die - 00 renters now they are hit by this .. they need other ways of income , stop paying rent whatever .. again the ppl there who can adept will survive , the ones that did run sanctums all day in and out will be gone
overall eve wins
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.03 16:08:00 -
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dear Antigue im getting tierd dispelling every single argument you make
the poor highseccers ... there are many ways to avoid a war in highsec if you want to my dear some will die yes AGAIN the good ones will adept and follow the eve way
and you may find out that the typical highseccer has more teeth then th avarage sanctum pirate NPC
you donot create a game and listen to the masses there are prime example out there that destroyed great games iE UO you have a vision how your game should be and follow it (if thats successfull and i think we both agree that eve is great)
if the comunity suggests you something thats INLINE with your vision great if its not you dismiss it
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Lt Pizi
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Posted - 2011.04.03 16:24:00 -
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you simply don¦t have valid arguments. that i cannot answer looks like nothing said will change your opinoin
The only thing you are doing is -and I quote you- "believe in CCP". yes cause so far the game gets better and better if they follow their way
The question I got is how much does CCP pay you for being their fanboy? they pay me with the fun i have logging in
You are not an inhabitant of nullsec, never built up an alliance and you are not even sov-holder. was there done that , but i wasnt a renter
So how much would CCP pay you for being their only fanboy left atm? so if 10 k accounts left over this theres still 350k paying fanbois left
Oh yeah I know you do it for free coz you are such a strong believer in CCP and their great ideas... again sofar they were most of the time straight on
Why not go back to your lowsec and wait for some poor soul to gank? im there .....
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.04 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: Lt Pizi on 04/04/2011 13:55:20
Originally by: The Mittani Edited by: The Mittani on 04/04/2011 03:33:47
you ccp guys do know most modern alliances reimburse fleet ships and so the actual trusec of a staging system has absolutely no impact upon the combat strength/ability to fight of an alliance at war, right?
hihihihi here you have it from your glorious CSM this argument makes 90 % of the posts invalid
now to income from sanctums
i did a few when we were in fountain and on my combat fitted carrier the highest tick was 18m you can easily double that if you run a dedicated ship
a corpmate wanted to proof that you can make 1b a day with sanctums and he did ... thats PURE ISK injected into eve , no escalation no salvaging or loot
so 4 days of ratting can sport your account for a WHOLE YEAR
we did run a few corp ops to make isk (semi succesfull cause most got bored after the 3 sanctum) but it neeted 10b isk over the weekend with ease thats 1 freekeng mom every other week or 1 ti t every month
1 sunctum sports you what ? 3 of your ****ty drakes you like to fly ? so no wonder you can kill ppl and they keep respawning over and over like mindless npc
will this change be the end of all changes hope not because isolated it doesnt change much
oh edit : after PL left fountain I DID NOT LOOSE A SINGLE SHIP in our home constelation ... it was perfectly safe to rat ther .. enemies were reported 20 jumps away .....
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.04 15:14:00 -
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look at the eve-kil top 20. i am not in anyway saying these are the l33test pvpers in the game. but the alliances you like to continuously calla bunch of carebears who do nothing but rat all day long make up a good chunk of that list.
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.04 16:38:00 -
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im talkin about chars , you accounts prolly
but is 5% of the accounts fighting realy better ?
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Lt Pizi
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.04.04 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lost'In'Space
Originally by: Lt Pizi hihihihi here you have it from your glorious CSM this argument makes 90 % of the posts invalid
Did you mean 90% of his posts, or 90% posts of this thread?
i mean 90% of this thread ( thats not my number they claiming that 90% are against this change and the main reason that they are against is that they cannot afford a ship for fighting anymore ...)
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Lt Pizi
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Posted - 2011.04.04 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Philana Moon Edited by: Philana Moon on 04/04/2011 19:52:31 -1 . Lot of small alliances have no chance to survive. They pay lot of isk to hold 0.0 space and need the money to pay rent and/or concord fee. R
pls i beg theee
read this again and tell me whats wrong i highlighted the parts
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Posted - 2011.04.04 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: bp920091
Originally by: Lt Pizi im talkin about chars , you accounts prolly
but is 5% of the accounts fighting realy better ?
just throwing these numbers out there, the North has a total population of 19,659 (page 9 of the QEN, this is Characters on Active Accounts). Assuming that the average 0.0 player has 2 accounts (probably more, but im feeling generous), the NC has around 10,000 accounts in it. Oh, and the regions that are considered the north are (Geminate, Vale of the Silent, Tribute, Venal, Branch, and Tenal). So if you take the two fronts that the NC currently has (west and east), you have approx 5,000 accounts per front (simple division by two). Considering the numbers that I see in fleet fights, which are roughly 2000 on high demand operations (LXQ2-T, O2O-2X, and other major fights), this is not anywhere close to the 1% pvp participation rate that you claim. This number may even be higher than 2000, as the NC operates in ALL timezones, so you have to at least double the numbers of people fighting to get an accurate account.
So, what you can take from this is that out of the 10,000 accounts residing in the NC, approx 8,000 are people who pvp (at least part time), giving a participation rate of 80%. Try and do a little bit of research before you throw claims around, all this does is decrease the chance that people will take you seriously.
Oh, if you also want to take a look at the production in 0.0, take a look at page 36 in the QEN, it shows the mass produced in all regions. Factor in the amount of supercarriers and titans produced in 0.0, and the north doesnt look to "carebear" does it?
For those of you wishing to verify my claims yourself, here is the link to the most recent QEN http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/QEN/QEN_Q4-2010.pdf Any wishes to verify kills or battles can be found on most killboards, such as Battleclinic.com, check for yourself if you do not believe me.
New edition of powerblock map for February 2011. The top 5 powerblock based on character numbers are: Northern Coalition 52356, Drone Russian Forces 26129, StainWagon 12942, IT Block 7647 and EV0KE/NCDOT 4465.
HD version of the map for download: http://i55.tinypic.com/2sb017c.jpg
The 0.0 is inhabited by roughly 105.000 characters in sovereignty holding entities and about 15.000 people without territory.
thats from eve24 ... THE NC news site
in october 2010 you had 41k so you guys growing very fast and i asume youre at 60k now easily
and now you are not fielding 2k fleets ... thats when you do a CTA to stuff a station system to deny a fight over it
your typical fleet is like 500 to 800 and you are not running them 24/7
so im standing correct .... 1% of characters in NC are actually fighting
you guys are so damn blind you cant even see whats the big problem is
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Posted - 2011.04.04 21:17:00 -
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the numbers are for sure from dotlan or another API .. so the comming out of ccp directly
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Posted - 2011.04.04 21:21:00 -
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?? sure they do
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Lt Pizi
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Posted - 2011.04.05 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrasith
Originally by: Levistus Junior Edited by: Levistus Junior on 05/04/2011 14:15:03 TBH, I can see quite a few reasons behind this move(and ignoring an 100 page threadnaught on it):
-maybe there really is a problem with too much ISK entering the economy (prices for PLEX for example have risen by at almost 100 mil in the past year or so IIRC) and, as a stopgap measure, it's easier to adopt something that just reduces overall income across the board than commit large resources to bot banning. WoD/Dust/walking in stations is more important.
-maybe they had enough of the bad publicity laggy fleet fights and crappy reimbursement policy is giving them across gaming news sites and forums, so they want to force people out of 0.0 in the hope of making fights take place at a more manageable scale. Of course they could try to rewrite code to take advantage of a multi-core architecture and such, but :effort. WoD/Dust/walking in stations is more important.
This move probably makes sense for CCP, but I think the real reasons behind it have nothing to do with the bull**** they've been feeding to the public.
The problem is the distribution of the wealth. The wealth is being concentrated in the hands of the owners of the Moon Goo. This is what needs to be addressed. Right now in essence CCP is taxing the lower middle class instead of slapping a tax on the folks with the trillions of isk in their wallets already.
you do realize that moongoo doesnt inject isk into the economy ? also talk to your leaders .. maybe they share some wealth ? isnt that what BFF is all about ?
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Posted - 2011.04.05 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Icarus (From someone who made his short rookie life so far in EVE in 0.0 off of Havens and Sanctums)
There is so much tl;dr in this thread its amzaing. I really have no experience in any other space other then 0.0. I got a mission hub that I got to lvl 4 but I really don't care for that. I love PVP, am not expirenced enough to get any really good ships (minmatar fotm ****s caldari) for it but the only way that I can really see making money after this is mining.
In our system, I rarely see anyone mining for money/corp building currently. I think this change will create a surplus in the market for rare minerals.
I do not plan on picking up all my crap and running away just because havens and sanctums are gone, just find another way to not die.....
As far as the huge powerblocks go, this just puts more emphasis on moongoo, thus, they make more money.
tl:dr rich get richer and the poor get poorer (and even more desperate)
no .. moongo income stays the same .... the large powerblocs will get less income from rents ( i hope all the renters are sane and not paying anymore) and the moon gold needs to be passed down to the grunt more because he will sitting in his station in his anomaly hub when an afk cloaker hits it its easier now to shut an hub down
and you poor players get more out of eve cause (if you start thinking like you plan to ) there is more money and fun out there beside plexes i promise you
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Posted - 2011.04.05 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Striped
Originally by: Mara Rinn Sanctums are not the only income stream in nullsec. I used to make around 60M ISK/hr in Branch, ratting in a drake a long time before Dominion. At the time that was all I could fly, and I wasn't even able to use drones. Heck, I wasn't even chaining properly!
Try making 60M ISK/hr in L4s in hisec using a T1 fitted drake.
thats bs.
ratted pre dom in a -0.9 system chaining and max made 40mil per hour in a max skilled missiel bs pilot, and that was before the stupid rats warp in junk they added and the missiel nerf. missions were always better isk and they will be again
a 0-9 is quite likley to spawn alot of haulers and an officer every other day so hes not so far off
that said its irelevant to wave your epeen about the highest m/h eve isnt a grind game believe it or not its up to you
you wow guys throw the grind at every problem
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Posted - 2011.04.05 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Striped
Originally by: Lt Pizi
Originally by: Dark Striped
Originally by: Mara Rinn Sanctums are not the only income stream in nullsec. I used to make around 60M ISK/hr in Branch, ratting in a drake a long time before Dominion. At the time that was all I could fly, and I wasn't even able to use drones. Heck, I wasn't even chaining properly!
Try making 60M ISK/hr in L4s in hisec using a T1 fitted drake.
thats bs.
ratted pre dom in a -0.9 system chaining and max made 40mil per hour in a max skilled missiel bs pilot, and that was before the stupid rats warp in junk they added and the missiel nerf. missions were always better isk and they will be again
a 0-9 is quite likley to spawn alot of haulers and an officer every other day so hes not so far off
that said its irelevant to wave your epeen about the highest m/h eve isnt a grind game believe it or not its up to you
you wow guys throw the grind at every problem
never played any other mmo but this one..
this change is directly realted to m/h which is now better in high sec than most 0.0 systems. exactly the same as it was before.
no this patch is nerfing ONE aspect of a 00 system if you have a little idea about the game you will realize that you can milk a 00 far more than a high (with less afford)
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Posted - 2011.04.05 22:55:00 -
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hope is lost with you ... but i dont want to get in trouble with your 2 man corp (pls donot wardec us )
so i stop here
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Lt Pizi
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Posted - 2011.04.05 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Patri Andari Imagine how much easier this would have been if CCP had done the following:
Make upgrades and upkeep costs more in bad true sec and less in higher true sec yet leave the spawns somewhat the same in bad true sec and better as true sec improves.
Damn, I am a genius!
no you are not
a sanctum/haven makes 100m/h x4 is 400m ph is around 10b a day is 300b a month
so to achive the same goal (nerving the income by half ) the system cost would be 150b ....
now that would be an outcry =)))
(the 100m/h is not my number it was stated by the carbears that run em in this thread)
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Lt Pizi
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Posted - 2011.04.06 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: ovenproofjet I would jsut like to point something out...
CCPs own economist said in the latest QEN that there need to be more isk SINKS in Eve, not less isk faucets. I have to say I agree, Eve has lost massive isk sinks in the last year, the main one being NPC sold goods...this just seems like the completely wrong idea to solve isk inflation in Eve
Mind you if CCP can't even listen to their own employees then how can we expect them to listen to players, let alone the CSM? I really am amazed with the ability of one single minded and blinkered employee to affect such large swathes of a companies customer base.
You're seeing this first because it was an obvious target that's relatively easy to implement. We're conducting an ongoing review of nullsec issues at the moment, with items on the agenda including force projection tweaks, conquest mechanic adjustments and improvements to the nullsec industrial landscape. Keep your eyes peeled for more updates as the year progresses, and let us know in the comments if there are any other areas in need of some love that you'd like to see brought to the top of our priorities.
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Lt Pizi
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Bill Andrex This is a stupid change on behalf of CCP. CCP Greyscale might be happy at the changes over his morning coffee, but us players are certainly not happy at the changes proposed.
The current system is fine, it works well and does what it intended. Now we are moving to a system that works well but doesn't do what it intended in the first place. The idea was to spread people about in nullsec so that systems could sustain a higher 0.0 population.
CCP have now gone ahead and shot that idea in the foot. It will now be harder for newer up and coming Alliances to carve out a living in 0.0. It won't effect existing 0.0 Alliances as they make their ISK from moon goo, all CCP you have done here is gimp the little guy who is trying to make a living.
The little guy is going to spend less time in fleets and more time trying to scratch out a living to make a little ISK to replace his losses. Why take away the incentive for people to move from empire to 0.0?
CCP you have dropped the ball here.
thats you ? http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Bill+Andrex#kills
looks like you are pvp ing 1 a week and look at your losses ... if you cant replace that .. then hope is lost
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Grog Barrel
Originally by: Lt Pizi
Originally by: Patri Andari Imagine how much easier this would have been if CCP had done the following:
Make upgrades and upkeep costs more in bad true sec and less in higher true sec yet leave the spawns somewhat the same in bad true sec and better as true sec improves.
Damn, I am a genius!
no you are not
a sanctum/haven makes 100m/h x4 is 400m ph is around 10b a day is 300b a month
so to achive the same goal (nerving the income by half ) the system cost would be 150b ....
now that would be an outcry =)))
(the 100m/h is not my number it was stated by the carbears that run em in this thread)
since your are adding a multiplication of factor 4 into your ecuation, your whole statement is comparable to <insert anything not serious here>
in case you are not aware that in the current system there are in fact 4 sanctims/havens per any updated system i tell you now ... thats why x4
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Posted - 2011.04.06 13:21:00 -
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looks like you guys were right on top
0 , zero , null players online ... eve is dead .. now we can move on
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Lt Pizi
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Posted - 2011.04.06 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: zxsteel Now that this marks 100 PAGES yet to see any CCP in put on this hard topic! Here first of other player of eve can offer for feedback! Since CCP is busy with other projects keep in mind at any time they can pull people to do a quick fix on this matter! Here's idea!
Keep all -HIGH END SITES OPEN- but rate the -HIGH ENDS SITES- to the systems rating mount. In other words, -0.10 would give you 10m total, from one -High End Site-, with chance of getting -1.0 site after so many runs of -0.10 high end sites. SO systems with -0.50 would place out 50m per high end site. Now to fix this with a timer, base on sec level, meaning -1.0 would take 10 mines to load next level, and would place out 100m per high end site.
always keep in mind that isnt the patch to fix it all there will be more tears i fear , but they may also give you guys some love (but it will not something that injekts raw isk)
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Posted - 2011.04.06 13:32:00 -
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there are still many alts active that got reactivated with buddy codes to fig the CSM vote
so its hard to say
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Lt Pizi
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Levistus Junior
Originally by: nano bobcat
You are not longer supposed to work together with your fcking (already oversized) NAP against all smaller groups but exactly the opposite... or get the f*ck out! Its an awesome patch!
Actually, people are known to defy what they're 'supposed to do' and go their way regardless. Blobs will continue to exist just fine after this patch, even if only to **** off 'l33t PVPers' like you, that instead of fighting other 'l33t pvp' alliances pick up on a blob 10x their size, get blobbed as expected and then run to the forums to whine.
Even if the current batch of renters/pets/allies/whatever from a certain region leave, sooner or later the vacuum will soon enough be filled by fresh meat, and if you really believe there's a chance for somebody moving into NC/DRFs backyard without being blue to them, then you really need a serious comeback to reality
Just for the record, this is what happens when you fight the supercap blob with a conventional fleet: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9298031
well you only telling half the story this is what happens when pvpers meet you guys http://kb.bunkerhub.de/?a=kill_related&kll_id=148771 then on the way home they got dropped by goons(3-1) and lost 23 BS .. im sure they shrug it off and are not running sanctims 24/7 now
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Lt Pizi
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Levistus Junior
Originally by: Lt Pizi
Originally by: Levistus Junior
Originally by: nano bobcat
You are not longer supposed to work together with your fcking (already oversized) NAP against all smaller groups but exactly the opposite... or get the f*ck out! Its an awesome patch!
Actually, people are known to defy what they're 'supposed to do' and go their way regardless. Blobs will continue to exist just fine after this patch, even if only to **** off 'l33t PVPers' like you, that instead of fighting other 'l33t pvp' alliances pick up on a blob 10x their size, get blobbed as expected and then run to the forums to whine.
Even if the current batch of renters/pets/allies/whatever from a certain region leave, sooner or later the vacuum will soon enough be filled by fresh meat, and if you really believe there's a chance for somebody moving into NC/DRFs backyard without being blue to them, then you really need a serious comeback to reality
Just for the record, this is what happens when you fight the supercap blob with a conventional fleet: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9298031
well you only telling half the story this is what happens when pvpers meet you guys http://kb.bunkerhub.de/?a=kill_related&kll_id=148771 then on the way home they got dropped by goons(3-1) and lost 23 BS .. im sure they shrug it off and are not running sanctims 24/7 now
What makes you think NC is running sanctums 24/7? We surely did PvP enough to send your dear SirMolle&friends packing in no time during MAX2. And we did the same to every invasion attempt ever. Oh wait...we did that from a sanctum, didn't we?
then why are you so paralyzed about that patch ? oh wait ... cause it May be the end of the superblob and you feeling change comming
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dexterous Spider Oh? and if you got a problem with NC holding massive amounts of space?
It will not change. A BFF is a BFF, we will jsut condesnce. dont like fighting the blob of BFF then stay out of BFF space, and d sopmething usefull, like shoot drone russians. thats the REAL threat to the entire make up of the game, bots. now you screw over the entire mechanics of null sec living? and still do nothing on rissian bots?
if you got something against BFF check yourself. we banned together. we fight together, die together, drink together. sounds like REAL faction warfare. we pwn any invasions when they come, and though we may bicker amongst ourselves like whiney *****es fromt ime to time, we are each other. I'm in VE, but a R.A.G.E. pilot or FCON pilot is still my brother. I even like goons . dont like it? join a force that can try to repel the beauty of brotherhood.
But ALL that, has nothing to do with this stupid fail implimentation of an idea on true sec. make bounties worht more and more the more true sec it gets, fine. but simply put, my above points cannot falter (earlier post).
so stop using this thread to whine about km's. there are other threads for that. you got issues with how a particulair player pvps? set up a cat fight and go blow each other up! then we can see who emerges victorious and who is skilled. otherwise, lets get back on topic. this isnt about KM's in full, but in truth, it will lead to less KM cuz less people will be able to afford to replace ships.
STILL a fail idea to nerf null sec sanctums and havens and base them simply off true sec. sure, you make it "harder" to hold space due to financial applications, but what you dont see is even if the "noobs" want to come take null sec space, they wont be able to hold it, long run, cuz the deeper true sec pockets is where the big boys wil condesnce. jsut makes roams more interesting, but in the long run, bigger truesec=bigger blobs, = more isk to replace lsot ships= stronger military= longer term due to isk, attrition ( if you do not know this word dont argue, period), and lack of ability for the smaller guy to hold space for longer.
all in all, fail.
what you fail to see is that you are not BFF .. if you are wouldnt need to pay to get blue standings and you may like the goons .. but sure as hell they dont like you
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Posted - 2011.04.06 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: Lt Pizi on 06/04/2011 23:15:15 Oh i am sorry, you must suffer of multi-personalities problems, 4 indeed. Or you have 8 alts, 4 in thanatos and 4 in tengus, doing thanny+tengu comp in each sanct/haven. Not to mention you are supposing a haven will give you the same reward as a sanctum with this setup -------- in case you are not aware that eve is a MMO heres the suprise IT IS
so noone forces you to milk all the sanctums alone 23/7 -------------- I hereby bow myself to your respectable thinking and I aknowledge your thinking superiority. <<< thank you mate
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Posted - 2011.04.06 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: balgara ever since intiative fell i guess ccp found a way to help them out..no new player now is going to want to live in 0.0 anyway..how is a new player gonna make money competing with older players that are going to fight over ded plexs..no new alliance is going to set foot in zero..then when ccp's knee pad pets take fountain,etc back and they will change it back..hmm i forsee alot of hi sec ganking and small gangware fights are going to be in low sec..because 0.0 is going to empty out because there will be no reason to live there..thank you ccp for ****ing up people's gameplay to kiss your dev pet's asses..hope a new better game than this comes out..u guy's suck
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=balgara#kills
at the rate you pvp and loose ships youle be fine for the next 10 years
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