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Wyke Mossari
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:07:00 -
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CCP Dr.EyjoG
Wormhole space has seen massive population growth.
More people use ISK than the Icelandic Krona.
ISK Sinks and Fawcettes being closely monitored.
As at Feb 2011 we have a problem. Current growth is between 2-3%, to much but not a great threat, but needs to be monitored.
Unholy rage resulted in huge drop in money supply.
Skill point redistribution provided big increase in market turn over.
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Julian Koll
The Kollektive
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:11:00 -
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not to forget the 20min on how awesome plex system is.
oh, and thanks to the guys that do the pretty pictures for the qen!
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Durin Sarga
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:11:00 -
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Is this from fanfest?
Ask him where the QEN is, lol.
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Thoraxe Rig
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Durin Sarga Is this from fanfest?
Ask him where the QEN is, lol.
Yes.
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Amrumm
Rhetorical Devices
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Posted - 2011.03.25 19:51:00 -
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thnx for the update
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Durin Sarga
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Posted - 2011.03.25 20:58:00 -
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Thanks Wyke for giving the 'chribba' notes. (yea for play on words).
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Alain Kinsella
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.26 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Durin Sarga Ask him where the QEN is, lol.
He was handing out printed copies. So maybe next week?
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Alain Kinsella
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.26 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Valentines day Massacre 12 Titans destroyed in one day.
Future Player access to key economic data.
He does read these forums and enjoys our predictions.
He was promoting more discussion and analysis from us, which is why he's trying to push for better access to their raw data. That's something I could get behind if it happens.
As for the Massacre, I believe he was using that as an example of ships destroyed, which he obviously wants to see more of. That figure already got exceeded in the past week of course...
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Graic Valente
Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.03.26 10:20:00 -
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Thanks for the notes.
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clixoras
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Posted - 2011.03.26 10:40:00 -
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Why would this be a problem? Or is the growth compared to the population growth?
As at Feb 2011 we have a problem. Current growth is between 2-3%, to much but not a great threat, but needs to be monitored.
Thanks btw for the notes !!
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Rasz Lin
Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.03.26 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Technetium, we are not seeing any body doing unusually stockpiling.
lies, ignorance, or half a trillion in just one players hangar is insignificant to this guy.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.03.26 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rasz Lin
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Technetium, we are not seeing any body doing unusually stockpiling.
lies, ignorance, or half a trillion in just one players hangar is insignificant to this guy.
You have 5million tech in your cargo? Or who?
Part of me thinks "no you don't" and the meaner part is thinking "If he does, I hope they make tech changes before he can offload any of it cause he got greedy holding for 150K" :D
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.28 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: clixoras Why would this be a problem? Or is the growth compared to the population growth?
As at Feb 2011 we have a problem. Current growth is between 2-3%, to much but not a great threat, but needs to be monitored.
Thanks btw for the notes !!
The growth in money supply has been 1-2% a month in recent years and was now 2-3% a month. I presume that is the average per player from past information, but that was a little bit unclear.
He didn't really explain why it is a problem and I assume that all economists fear inflation.
Originally by: Rasz Lin
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
Technetium, we are not seeing any body doing unusually stockpiling.
lies, ignorance, or half a trillion in just one players hangar is insignificant to this guy.
I assumed he meant no body are their increasing stockpiles. Given the rising price that would require an ISK supply greater than the price rise or that you were a primary producer keeping more than you are selling.
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Moto Akimoto
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Posted - 2011.03.28 15:42:00 -
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@Wyke Mossari: Awesome post, thanks for sharing this with us.
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Vita Marie
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Posted - 2011.03.28 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 28/03/2011 13:48:43
CCP Dr.EyjoG fanfest presentation
Technetium spike is nothing "really wrong" from an Economic viewpoint and declined to provide an explanation.
Future Resource Balance - Happy.
Past future predictions Technetium, we are not seeing any body doing unusually stockpiling.
Are these three statements contradictory? It sounds like they are saying, ôNothing wrong with Tech,ö then talking about a possible resource balance. Would tech be included in this rebalance? Speculation welcome! :)
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Vita Marie
Originally by: Wyke Mossari Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 28/03/2011 13:48:43
CCP Dr.EyjoG fanfest presentation
Technetium spike is nothing "really wrong" from an Economic viewpoint and declined to provide an explanation.
Future Resource Balance - Happy.
Past future predictions Technetium, we are not seeing any body doing unusually stockpiling.
Are these three statements contradictory? It sounds like they are saying, ôNothing wrong with Tech,ö then talking about a possible resource balance. Would tech be included in this rebalance? Speculation welcome! :)
I suspect by "nothing wrong, economically" he means "supply/demand in effect just as expected" so yeah he is right, but he also thinks the price is too high and it is a bottleneck, and a static supply, which they wish to change somewhat.
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Vita Marie
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:44:00 -
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For my sake I hope they increase the price of R64s.. I went all in :)
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Vita Marie
Originally by: Wyke Mossari Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 28/03/2011 13:48:43
CCP Dr.EyjoG fanfest presentation
Technetium spike is nothing "really wrong" from an Economic viewpoint and declined to provide an explanation.
Future Resource Balance - Happy.
Past future predictions Technetium, we are not seeing any body doing unusually stockpiling.
Are these three statements contradictory? It sounds like they are saying, ôNothing wrong with Tech,ö then talking about a possible resource balance. Would tech be included in this rebalance? Speculation welcome! :)
In this case "resource balance" doesn't mean "let's rebalance resources in the future" it means "we are happy with the level of resources now and how they are trending". ______________________________
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Vita Marie
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: Vita Marie
Originally by: Wyke Mossari Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 28/03/2011 13:48:43
CCP Dr.EyjoG fanfest presentation
Technetium spike is nothing "really wrong" from an Economic viewpoint and declined to provide an explanation.
Future Resource Balance - Happy.
Past future predictions Technetium, we are not seeing any body doing unusually stockpiling.
Are these three statements contradictory? It sounds like they are saying, ôNothing wrong with Tech,ö then talking about a possible resource balance. Would tech be included in this rebalance? Speculation welcome! :)
In this case "resource balance" doesn't mean "let's rebalance resources in the future" it means "we are happy with the level of resources now and how they are trending".
I feel like someone just kicked my dog. New avenue - 100b bond offering, no collateral, I will be holding funds for a secret benefactor. Accepting applications now! :)
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.03.29 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Alain Kinsella
Originally by: Durin Sarga Ask him where the QEN is, lol.
He was handing out printed copies. So maybe next week?
Does anyone actually have a copy? If so, would you mind scanning it and uploading it somewhere? (Not like it's copyrighted or something!) ---
Originally by: Sporked EVE IS DYING RUN TO THE HILLS! WE MIGHT HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS MMO! THEY MIGHT SHOOT AT US WHILE WE ARE BUSY HOLDING HANDS AND FROLICKING! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Jed Clampett
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Posted - 2011.04.02 01:55:00 -
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There are significant differences in EVE economy from a true manufacturing supply versus demand economy.
Foremost is that BUY orders are very similar to a combination of futures trading and pawn shop pricing. Without any intrinsic costs to cover, speed of LOOT and SALVAGE disposal far outweighs getting the best price for most missioners. All T1 meta 1-4 items are LOOT and salvage very similar. LOOT costs missioners almost nothing. Most missioners consider loot and salvage an extra byproduct of missioning that is already rewarded and paid. Therefore the majority of missioners quite often dispose of LOOT like real world thieves of stolen goods to their fence. Often BUY orders are filled at prices below the value of minerals recovered by recycling. Some traders do exactly that recycle all purchases. BUY order items do not yet exist in the market (futures like behavior). SELL order item are however actual items available for sale.
Second with the psychology of the CCP price warning on orders, there is strong pressure particularly on new players to reduce prices to no more than the mineral recycle value of the item -- no matter what the item scarcity or end user demand
The CCP price warning message pops up when prices are more than twice the market average of both completed BUY and SELL orders. However the market average is always less than the average retail price of items actually available in the market as SELL orders, unless there are no buy orders at all or buy and sell orders have the same price. In fact, the further the gap between buy and sell order (and thus potential profit) the lower the apparent market average compared to average SELL order pricing, no matter what the item scarcity or demand. And usually EVE markets are dominated by BUY order sales which may be recycled or sold in other regions and a few directly equipped ships. Simply put the EVE market average does not reflect retail pricing nor prices demanded by modules that will be placed on user ships.
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Jed Clampett
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Posted - 2011.04.02 02:02:00 -
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There are significant differences in EVE economy from a true manufacturing supply versus demand economy.
Foremost is that BUY orders are very similar to a combination of futures trading and pawn shop pricing. Without any intrinsic costs to cover, speed of LOOT and SALVAGE disposal far outweighs getting the best price for most missioners. All T1 meta 1-4 items are LOOT and salvage very similar. LOOT costs missioners almost nothing. Most missioners consider loot and salvage an extra byproduct of missioning that is already rewarded and paid. Therefore the majority of missioners quite often dispose of LOOT like real world thieves of stolen goods to their fence. Often BUY orders are filled at prices below the value of minerals recovered by recycling. Some traders do exactly that recycle all purchases. BUY order items do not yet exist in the market (futures like behavior). SELL order item are however actual items available for sale.
Second with the psychology of the CCP price warning on orders, there is strong pressure particularly on new players to reduce prices to no more than the mineral recycle value of the item -- no matter what the item scarcity or end user demand
The CCP price warning message pops up when proposed prices are more than twice the market average of both completed BUY and SELL orders. However the market average is always less than the average retail price of items actually available in the market as SELL orders, unless there are no buy orders at all or buy and sell orders have the same price. In fact, the further the gap between buy and sell order (and thus potential profit) the lower the apparent market average compared to average SELL order pricing, no matter what the item scarcity or demand. And usually EVE markets are dominated by BUY order sales which may be recycled or sold in other regions and a few directly equipped ships. Simply put the EVE market average does not reflect retail pricing nor prices demanded by modules that will be placed on user ships.
Its even worse for T1 meta 0 manufacturers who have to work against the UI warning pressures to sell below costs. So I am thinking the EVE economy is still a bit twisted compared to truly free and unbiased market. But it does favor fast and cheap conversion of loot and salvage to PVP. So if you measure economy and market success in terms of PVP activity and ISK as merely an intermediate lubricant == then the EVE economy is highly successful.
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Jed Clampett
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Posted - 2011.04.02 02:29:00 -
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Edited by: Jed Clampett on 02/04/2011 02:30:30 I suppose my observations or objections are irrelevant if CCP has plans to advance tech to where the old T1 gear, regardless of meta level, is primarily intended for recycle and obsolete early in a toon's SP growth.
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