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Christina Yim	Posted - 2011.03.26 00:08:00 - [1] So, I think we're all aware of the fact that the current war dec system is a grief fest of pvpers senselessly attacking innocent corporations that want nothing more to do in EVE than to mine and produce in high sec space. Due to this, I've come to a conclusion. I must either quit my corporation or quit EVE. These are the only two possibilities I can think of, at the moment. I hate pvp and refuse to take part in it. I even dislike pve. I only wish to mine and manufacture, and it sort of amazes me that anyone would war dec such a corporation. If I quit my corporation, I can at least continue to mine in relative safety (suicide gankers are another exploit altogether). If I quit EVE, then I can go take part in this "real life" I've heard so much about. Surely there are more options than this, right?
Deflourer	Posted - 2011.03.26 00:52:00 - [2] if u dislike pvp and pve, why don't u play Tetris? i can guarantee nobody will bother ya there!
DrDan21 Caldari Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2011.03.26 00:59:00 - [3] CCP has stated before that nonconsensual pvp is an intended feature of the game. As for avoiding being wardecced, there's no way to actually prevent a war unless your in an NPC corp. But there are lots of ways you can scare off / avoid attackers... here's some ideas :d 1. Don't give them the kills they desire. They will get bored eventually (this method sucks for you too though :<) 2. Form an alliance with / invite to your alliance / hire a PvP or Merc corp to help protect you. If your getting wardecced that often then you might be able to setup something where you provide discounted ships / modules or pay your pvp pilots per kill (you can mine and they can get paid to pvp :D) 3. Move to a wormhole if your careful about it you can stay nearly invisible to others (though if they find your entry you best be prepared) 4. Pay off the attackers to leave you alone, or attack someone you don't like. 5. L2PVP and fight back :)
Mara Abraham Minmatar T.R.I.A.D	Posted - 2011.03.26 01:34:00 - [4] Good day, Christina Yim: Since eve has no morality, and given the depravity of humans, there is no such thing as "innocent corporations" The Eve Universe is meant for confrontation. Your choice is to either handle it or run. I've seen mainly pve corporations handle it well, either by hiring mercenaries to fight the war for you, learning how to fight, or learning how to avoid the war targets. Thank you. --- Mara Abraham http://www.factionalwarfare.info
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2011.03.26 01:42:00 - [5] You do realize that EVE is fundamentally a PvP game, right? Generally grief corps are looking for easy killmails and tears, so don't provide either and they'll quickly move along. You can also create or join an alliance, as the wardec cost is higher (50m for alliance vs. 2m for a corp) it may deter the random wardec.
Fuyuki Hinako	Posted - 2011.03.26 01:52:00 - [6] Originally by: Christina Yim I hate pvp and refuse to take part in it. I even dislike pve. I only wish to mine and manufacture Unless you sell everything you manufacture to sell orders... you're already taking part in one form of PvP... albeit a market based version.
Abram Thrust MARSOC Galactic	Posted - 2011.03.26 21:27:00 - [7] The alliance is a good idea, it won't turn away all wardecs, but it might stop a few. another idea you could try to make the dec's you do get go away faster, would be to make an agreement with a local PvP capable alliance in your area. something like "i provide you with ship hulls at cost and you destroy anyone who dec's me" would be nice and simple. someone mentioned WH space... that can be a total double edged sword, you could go months without someone stumbling across your little industrial paradise... but if the right person does find it, you could very well loose everything without warning. your call :) It's amazing the glory you can win with a Rifter, a handfull of Fusion S, and Balls
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.03.26 23:53:00 - [8] Wardecs by 12 year olds and fat guys in highsec are a tax on being a highsec carebear. Move to lowsec or null and you'll never see them again. There is also, of course, pvp in lowsec and null. It's a pvp MMO. There are many, many MMOs which are not, but this one is.
Grodin	Posted - 2011.03.27 19:42:00 - [9] Originally by: Emperor Cheney Wardecs by 12 year olds and fat guys in highsec are a tax on being a highsec carebear. Move to lowsec or null and you'll never see them again. There is also, of course, pvp in lowsec and null. It's a pvp MMO. There are many, many MMOs which are not, but this one is. hay now i think that its the 14 year olds and the skinny pimpley faced ones that war dec us fat guys are layed back
Reddx Panther	Posted - 2011.03.27 21:12:00 - [10] Market in Eve is PVP, you're fighting for profits against other players. Without people mass-destroying each others ships, there would be almost no demand. The (emotional) value of many in-game items is bound to the fact that you can get griefed out of them any time. Long live the grief! If you're using the game mechanics to your advantage, it will be very difficult for a wardec to destroy any of your assets. If you're not into pewpew, at least get friends that are into pewpew.

admiral fovios Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.03.29 00:35:00 - [11] Originally by: Abram Thrust someone mentioned WH space... but if the right person does find it, you could very well loose everything without warning. A person you know intimately was exceptionally upset when I loosed everything in their wormhole space without warning.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.03.29 01:42:00 - [12] The most surefire way in EVE to avoid conflict is to stay off the radar. No matter what all these other people might spout about the philosophy of conflict and the universe of EVE, if you're an uninteresting target, people won't wardec you. If you look like you don't make much money and won't put any ships out during a wardec (it doesn't matter what the truth of these matters is - merely what others perceive to be true), anyone interested in a hi-sec wardec will go and pick a more interesting target - one more likely to fight (or at least present targets) and more likely to lose money or enjoyment due to the wardec. Keep your corporation small, do your work in out-of-the-way systems at least a couple of jumps away from any major trade hub or highway, don't talk in local or post on the forums if you can avoid it. Move your goods to trade hubs at quiet moments and don't talk with anyone there. If you make an active (but not obviously active) effort to seem uninteresting, you will get very few wardecs indeed. I'm not saying you'll get none, but certainly you'll minimise them. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Dani Nardieu Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.29 05:59:00 - [13] You can set up a chat channel for your corp to stay in touch and leave for a NPC corp while the wardec last and come back afterward. As an individual you can corp jump from one corp to another as many times as you want. You can create and disband multiple corporations in a row if you don't have any PoSes. You can join an alliance to increase base wardec cost from 2 mil/week to 50 million/week. You can leave an alliance as a corp if it's wardeced. If you are filthy rich industrialists you can self-declare wars with an alt corp to increase wardec costs further until some pvp nobodies can't compete. You can set up multiple "bases" and jump clone around and have the enemy need to track and chase you around each day. You can pay mercenaries to wardec those people back. You can train an alt and play on that while the wardec lasts. You can find out where your enemy is based and have one character sit logged in all day in their station. You can make neutral alts to scout, suicide gank, bump your attackers and remote rep your own ships. You can smack talk them in local. All these are valid tactics although some will be considered "dishonourable" by your griefers (lmao).
Kale Kold V i r u s Pendulum of Doom	Posted - 2011.03.29 12:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Christina Yim How can one avoid having war declared on themselves? Grow some balls? Service Record \| Battle Record
Diesel47	Posted - 2011.03.29 13:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Mara Abraham Good day, Christina Yim: Since eve has no morality, and given the depravity of humans, there is no such thing as "innocent corporations" The Eve Universe is meant for confrontation. Your choice is to either handle it or run. I've seen mainly pve corporations handle it well, either by hiring mercenaries to fight the war for you, learning how to fight, or learning how to avoid the war targets. Thank you. Enough of the e-philosophy crap. People wardec your corp Yim.. Because it is fun. Eve is a PVP oriented game. If all you want to do is mine and build then you should go play minecraft.. But I hear that game has NPC monsters too so I guess you are out of luck.
Legolas Greenleaf	Posted - 2011.03.29 13:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Christina Yim the current war dec system is a grief fest of pvpers senselessly attacking innocent corporations that want nothing more to do in EVE than to mine and produce in high sec space 5/10
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.29 13:35:00 - [17] Best advice i have ever get for situations like this are: Get Organised. Industrialist can learn pvp basic¦s just as easy as everyone else. Not to mention as industrialist you can stockup for future wardecks cheaper then someone not doing industry. Griefers will soon move on when you learn not to be easy target. Frigates are cheap and can do nasty things. Expecially when there large variety of these in fleet so not everyone is doing just DPS. Add some E-war in mixture and your griefers will soon run for easyer targets. Do postmortem aftert engagement to learn, what you did well, what went bad, etc...
Vorphalak Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.03.29 14:00:00 - [18] Edited by: Vorphalak on 29/03/2011 14:00:49 Originally by: Christina Yim Surely there are more options than this, right? If you only mine and produce, you must be filthy rich by now...I'm sure we could come to an agreement. Your problem's solution ------------------------------------------------
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc	Posted - 2011.03.29 15:23:00 - [19] Originally by: Christina Yim How can one avoid having war declared on themselves? First I would say, 'By not making posts like yours on the forums.' You have just announced that someone wardecking you will get the 'tears' they are looking for. Why not embrace it. As an industrial corp, stockpile frigs, then go swarm your attackers. Will cost yu next to nothing and you never know.... you just might have fun. Dont smack EVER... even if your frig swarm gets exploded. Either that or dock up, dont give easy kills, move your operations to a different reagion for a while. ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------
Jakes Daisho	Posted - 2011.03.29 17:14:00 - [20] I heard EVE University came up with a novel solution. They created a lot of alt corps and had them mutually war-dec their own alliance. Since war-dec costs increase exponentially if the target is already at war with others, this created a situation where it became prohibitively expensive to war-dec EVE University itself. I think they managed to get the cost up to a billion ISK. And since mutual war-decs are free, it didn't cost EVE University anything at all.

Kaaeliaa	Posted - 2011.03.29 17:46:00 - [21] As someone who's avoiding wardecs by having an entire corp made up of cheaply fitted brick tank ships...easiest way to make sure you get left alone is just to make yourself a very low priority target. It's sort of like car theft. If you drive a Ferrari and leave the doors unlocked and the keys on the seat when you go grocery shopping, even the lawful goods (yeah, I dropped D&D morality, deal with it) are going to be at least tempted. It's just a juicy target of opportunity. Similarly, fly around a Bhaalgorn or a faction and pirate module fit Tengu to do your missions and you're asking for trouble. Since you're a miner, if you get wardeced, just use Covetors for a couple of days until the aggressor realizes that it's not worth it and you're not going to give them satisfaction.
Mister Agreeable	Posted - 2011.03.29 18:08:00 - [22] Originally by: Jakes Daisho I heard EVE University came up with a novel solution. They created a lot of alt corps and had them mutually war-dec their own alliance. Since war-dec costs increase exponentially if the target is already at war with others, this created a situation where it became prohibitively expensive to war-dec EVE University itself. I think they managed to get the cost up to a billion ISK. And since mutual war-decs are free, it didn't cost EVE University anything at all. Isn't this officially an exploit as stated by CCP? (heard many times that was a bannable offense) How come no one at EVE uni gets their accounts permabanned for such deliberate exploitation of the game's mechanic?
Glitch Enat	Posted - 2011.03.30 01:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Christina Yim So, I think we're all aware of the fact that the current war dec system is a grief fest of pvpers senselessly attacking innocent corporations that want nothing more to do in EVE than to mine and produce in high sec space. Due to this, I've come to a conclusion. I must either quit my corporation or quit EVE. These are the only two possibilities I can think of, at the moment. I hate pvp and refuse to take part in it. I even dislike pve. I only wish to mine and manufacture, and it sort of amazes me that anyone would war dec such a corporation. If I quit my corporation, I can at least continue to mine in relative safety (suicide gankers are another exploit altogether). If I quit EVE, then I can go take part in this "real life" I've heard so much about. Surely there are more options than this, right? lone manufacturing corporations dont survive long. I suggest finding PVP friends, and while they guarantee your safety from war dec's and you provide ships, modules, ammo, or such. mercs are always a good option, or just sit the war dec out, not too hard. OR send me your money and items and quit eve
Bronya Boga Amarr	Posted - 2011.03.30 01:24:00 - [24] ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Disastro Wrecking Shots Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.03.30 02:43:00 - [25] Eve Online is basically a pvp game with a few semi safe zones (high sec) for noobs to learn the game in with low risk. But even there a noob is not safe. Not completely. There are high sec mechanics that allow a new player to be aggressed (can flips etc) and a system that allows new players to experience pvp through war decs and faction war fare. Essentially, if you do not want to pvp at all under any circumstances then you chose the wrong game to play. This is not to say that you cannot avoid pvp. You can. But why would you?
Bedlin	Posted - 2011.03.30 17:45:00 - [26] Wow really? No one said it? Well if you leave.... <deep breath> Can I have your stuff?
Abigail Jameson	Posted - 2011.03.30 21:16:00 - [27] One way that I've learned in my indy corp, is to avoid doing things that involve out of station. WE were recently wardeced, and I hardly even noticed, as my corp was mostly station dwellers in the first place. The only thing that didn't happen was our weekly mining ops, and that we had to use an alt/courier contract to get our stuff moved around.
LS6	Posted - 2011.03.31 17:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Christina Yim Due to this, I've come to a conclusion. I must either quit my corporation or quit EVE. These are the only two possibilities I can think of, at the moment. 1. Can I haz your stuffs? 2. Another option is to grow some (virtual) stones.
Nezir Sertan	Posted - 2011.04.01 10:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Mister Agreeable Originally by: Jakes Daisho I heard EVE University came up with a novel solution. They created a lot of alt corps and had them mutually war-dec their own alliance. Since war-dec costs increase exponentially if the target is already at war with others, this created a situation where it became prohibitively expensive to war-dec EVE University itself. I think they managed to get the cost up to a billion ISK. And since mutual war-decs are free, it didn't cost EVE University anything at all. Isn't this officially an exploit as stated by CCP? (heard many times that was a bannable offense) How come no one at EVE uni gets their accounts permabanned for such deliberate exploitation of the game's mechanic? Given how often E-Uni is wardecced (quite often) I would be pretty certain they aren't doing that.
Domo Frankunstein Quiet.Storm Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.04.01 14:11:00 - [30] Originally by: Christina Yim So, I think we're all aware of the fact that the current war dec system is a grief fest of pvpers senselessly attacking innocent corporations that want nothing more to do in EVE than to mine and produce in high sec space. Due to this, I've come to a conclusion. I must either quit my corporation or quit EVE. These are the only two possibilities I can think of, at the moment. I hate pvp and refuse to take part in it. I even dislike pve. I only wish to mine and manufacture, and it sort of amazes me that anyone would war dec such a corporation. If I quit my corporation, I can at least continue to mine in relative safety (suicide gankers are another exploit altogether). If I quit EVE, then I can go take part in this "real life" I've heard so much about. Surely there are more options than this, right? I dont get players like you, you start playing a PVP oriented game (EVE) and all you do is mine? dont you feel you are totally wasting your time? the only reason to use industry is to make money to buy new combat ships, or make combat ships and modules urself. So say you mine for 4 years and you have trillions of isk? so what? what are you gunna spend it on? more mining ships? what a complete waste of time! "This threads hate is proudly brought to you today by Wildly Inappropriate and the letters - F and U!"

Lost Greybeard	Posted - 2011.04.01 17:01:00 - [31] Generally, the two things an industrial corp will do is: (1) Join an alliance with a PvP corp. They provide protection, you provide ships when they get blown up and isk for their wardecs. (2) Have your alts wardec you in order to make declaring war against you more expensive. This is no real deterrent if killing you is actually profitable, but if you're a bunch of newbies pushing it up to 10m a week will probably make it more expensive than is worth the trouble for some t1 modules and veldspar and frustration when you refuse to engage and go to station when WTs come into the system. --- If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous
Maverick2011	Posted - 2011.04.02 01:13:00 - [32] Originally by: Deflourer if u dislike pvp and pve, why don't u play Tetris? i can guarantee nobody will bother ya there! I thought EVE community was more mature than this. When i read a stupid comment like this one it makes me think i'm in wow forums. Guess what? EVE is a ****ing sandbox, sandboxes are not about PVP only, if you are too dumb to realize this as you are a coward to post with an alt than i'm sorry you are helpless.
Maverick2011	Posted - 2011.04.02 01:17:00 - [33] Originally by: Emperor Cheney Wardecs by 12 year olds and fat guys in highsec are a tax on being a highsec carebear. Move to lowsec or null and you'll never see them again. There is also, of course, pvp in lowsec and null. It's a pvp MMO. There are many, many MMOs which are not, but this one is. THIS i can agree. theres a huge difference between real PVPers and ****ing 12 year old or forever alone obese griefers. I wonder if someday companies interest in sandbox will realize that PVP is not about griefing and that the number of PVErs and PVPers that pay a subscription are much higher than the grifers that only help to weaken a game by driving away new players that are essencial for a game's health over the years.
Mikalya Amarr Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.04.02 03:56:00 - [34] Originally by: Maverick2011 Guess what? EVE is a ****ing sandbox, sandboxes are not about PVP only, if you are too dumb to realize this as you are a coward to post with an alt than i'm sorry you are helpless. Exactly, Eve is a sandbox, meaning that everyone ELSE is playing in the sandbox. The OP wants it to be a sandbox for them, but not for everyone else. Hence would be happier in Tetris or another game where the other players' aren't in a sandbox and can't kick your sand castle down. Eve is about PvP AND PvE; both of them inter-twined. There is no escaping one or the other regardless of how you might want to play.
Mikalya Amarr Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.04.02 04:00:00 - [35] Originally by: Maverick2011 THIS i can agree. theres a huge difference between real PVPers and ****ing 12 year old or forever alone obese griefers. I wonder if someday companies interest in sandbox will realize that PVP is not about griefing and that the number of PVErs and PVPers that pay a subscription are much higher than the grifers that only help to weaken a game by driving away new players that are essencial for a game's health over the years. Hint: Eve has not altered its base rules since starting 10 years ago and its still growing. Yes, some new players leave, but others stay. And it isn't "Griefing" unless CCP says it is. Wardecs, can flipping, suicide ganking, etc are all INTENDED game mechanics. They aren't griefing. CCP has proclaimed since Eve was in Beta that they wanted a dark, dismal and harsh universe and they have pretty much succeeded. Part of that harshness is that people WILL shoot at you regardless of what you wish. Again, if the OP can't accept that they don't belong in this game. Eve isn't for everyone.
TravisWB	Posted - 2011.04.03 15:14:00 - [36] Create an alt. Use alt to hold wardec'd corp that your main quits on wardec. Wait a week or so until wardec is over. Rejoin corp or make a new corp. Have alt abandon original corp. Or, join my corp.
Graelyn Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.04.04 15:49:00 - [37] Originally by: Christina Yim So, I think we're all aware of the fact that the current war dec system is a grief fest of pvpers senselessly attacking innocent corporations... Just stop. It's not a fact, so just stop. EvE has a mechanic for people who don't want to be wardecced: NPC corps. CORPORATIONS IN EVE ARE NOT GUILDS. A CORP IS NOT A PLACE TO PLAY WITH YOUR FRIENDS. YOU CAN DO THAT IN THE NPC CORPS SETUP FOR THE PURPOSE YOU WANT. A CORP IS A FLAG. JOINING OR STARTING A CORP IS SIGNED CONSENT TO PLAY WITH THE OTHER FOLKS IN THE POOL. It's not totally your fault that you think this way. The tutorials really ought to spell it out for new folks, and I'm sure CCP can improve on that area. But it doesn't change the facts. You shouldn't go around developing opinions and publically stating them as fact, you'll get the hostility you got from this thread every time. Good luck with your issues. Welcome to Everyone versus Everyone ---------------- Emissary to the Empire - [R.D.C.] - (I-RED)
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.04.04 16:15:00 - [38] Generally, people wardec you for the following reasons. 1. Killmails/easy targets, the more the better. I'd say this is the primarily reason for war declarations. People love to slaughter noobs and get awesome related kills where they kill 10 dudes in frigates in their Vagabond solo. Large mining corps and other large corporations which provide a large roster of inexperienced pilots while being reletively weak military wise so that they cannot respond well are primary picks. 2. Isk, You or your corp mates fly around in expensive maruders, faction battleships, Orcas, T3s etc. Flying in pimped ships in empire often attracts the wrong attention. If a griefer thinks he can make a couple hundred million isk off of your ships then you're going to get decced. 3. Tears. One of your members smacktalks / crys on the forums, or whines in local. Maybe your CEO is a **** and smacks them in dock while your corporation numbers drops by the day. Generally, if a griefer knows they'll get some good forum or some local tears, they'll dec you. 4. Proven Punching Bag. Usually related to above, you've lost a war in the past, maybe your members smack talked and got owned, and theres probably a thread on C&P about how much you suck, you losing an expensive faction maruder, or your ceo ranting like a moron. Maybe you got slaughtered 5 vs 20 and theres a battle report posted somewhere. Ways you can avoid each type of "empire griefer". 1) - Don't public-ally recruit by means of spam, and don't accept trial characters especially in rookie starting systems. The 'lots of targets' type griefers prefer tons of noobs which can't fight back in the corp, the more the better. By spamming in local and having terrible recruitment standards you are a prime pick for these types. You're also easy as hell to infiltrate making setting up kills, copy/pasting tears from corp chat and corp mail all the easier. Take your recruitment slow, and carefully, and don't accept 50 dudes in one week. Corps that rapidly expand are high priority targets as well. Improving your recruitment standards by means of who you accept, interviewing players and avoid rapid expansion will decrease your chances of being picked for a dec. Also, if you're a group of miners then avoid mass mining in one system, I understand that you like to do mining ops, but large collections of players in defenseless ships attracts the wrong guys, on top of that, avoid mining in systems in close proximity to market hubs and rookie systems, as thats where the majority of can-baiter's and ore thieves reside. 2) - Avoid flying stupidly expensive ships in mass mission hubs and other areas. Especially if you have a history of losing them. Don't fly the ships during the war at all costs If the war starts AND YOU MUST mission run, put the 2b Golem away for a Raven, or just fly a battlecruiser with mining links instead of the Orca, minimize your costs, that means downsizing your hulks to covetors, maximise their effort spent dock up your ships, go 22 jumps to a different mission hub, as soon as it isn't worth their time monetary wise they'll not bother. Flying t1 junk and confronting them can also work although if you take too much losses they might enjoy the easy targets. 3) Don't be ****s in local, don't smack on the forums, don't post terrible threads. Don't whine when you die. Don't send 4 paragraph hate mails to the guy who killed your retriever. Make sure your corp has a policy against smacking and posting offensive stuff in local. If you have been decced, avoid smacking your wartargets, and try to keep corp chat civil because there is a chance they have a spy there and even if you're being clean in local if your raging in corp chat and they see it they're going to continue. ---
Target Painter Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.04 16:41:00 - [39] Originally by: Mister Agreeable Isn't this officially an exploit as stated by CCP? (heard many times that was a bannable offense) How come no one at EVE uni gets their accounts permabanned for such deliberate exploitation of the game's mechanic? Petition for clarification.
Deen Wispa Gallente Roughneck Regulators	Posted - 2011.04.04 19:37:00 - [40] Edited by: Deen Wispa on 04/04/2011 19:37:32 Asking how to avoid wardecs while playing a pvp-based game like EVE is like asking how to avoid rejection when asking women out. You can't. As I always say, "In empire, there are two types of corps; those who can defend themselves. And those who can't." -----------------

Yarda	Posted - 2011.04.05 09:27:00 - [41] If you're not interested in PvP, its important to have a decent number of players who are. Like any high-sec corporation, diversity is key. Pure mining corps go down. Pure PvP ones as well (not counting the alt "mercenary" corps). This wont change till you join an alliance. Those can have diversity on a corp level. The only true way to avoid wardecs is social imho. Simply put: have friends. You get decced, you ask your friends to help out. They need stuff, you help them out. Expand your network. Lone children are easy targets for bullies.
Rovain Sess	Posted - 2011.04.06 12:02:00 - [42] C'mon man - get with the program. Saying you just wanna mine while knowing that Eve has a heavy PVP focus is like saying you want to play football and never get hit. It doesn't matter who you are, eventually your gunna get decc'd. As to how you handle it - every option is gunna have its costs. However, i'd take the notions of honor, and fairness out of the equation. Eve is all about - im doing this b/c atm you cant stop me. Think bully mentality! You know the mechanics - and they arent gunna change.
Balnir Morlemaine BlackWatch Industrial Group OWN Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.11 21:01:00 - [43] I have been playing EVE for a couple years (so yeah, compared to many I am still pretty new!) and I have done it all. The carebear high-sec industry thing, mining, industry, low-sec solo and small-fleet PvP, nullsec, and so on. I am not one of those who think that miners are useless (try holding sov without ships... go ahead!), nor am I one of those who things that PvP is the only thing in Eve. However, here's one piece of advice: Never use the term "non-PvP" or its analogs ever again. Everyone in Eve is a PvPer. Some just don't know it. The "Undock" button should be labeled "Enter PvP". Miners in high-sec are PvPing. They are fighting the market decisions of other corps, for one thing. Trade is PvP. Sharing a universe with suicide gankers and wardeccers is PvP... because they can gank or wardec you at any point. There is NO such thing as someone who does not PvP! My advice would be to form (or join) a nice big corp. Get yourself a good 20 active players, at least. Give them all Incursuseses... Incursi? Whatever. If you get wardecced, sack up, HTFU, hop in your incursi, and go hunting. Most corps that wardec industrial corps are small corps (in my experience) and I don't care who you are... if you get tackled and swarmed by 20 frigates while you are out and alone, you are going to be having an interesting fight. I have seen small industry corps station-camp PvP corps for hours on end, essentially ruining the PvPer's day. I guess my primary point is this: There is no such thing as being someone who doesn't PvP. Get comfortable with that fact. In Eve, they are NOT going to leave you alone. You can let this be a bad thing, or you can let it be a good thing. It's all up to how you adapt and your attitude. Oh, and for god's sake, don't complain or smack-talk your opponents. That just delights them, and makes them want to pick on you. Starting this thread was a mistake. :)
Irani Firecam Gallente Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.04.11 21:12:00 - [44] You can PvP without even leaving the safety of the station! My Wallpaper
Cephelange du'Krevviq	Posted - 2011.04.11 22:07:00 - [45] I've been playing since late December last year, so I'm pretty much a "newb" when it comes to EVE. I didn't come into the game blind, though; I knew, from various sources, what the game environment was going to be like. There are a lot of useful responses/options given in this thread. A common strategy I've seen suggested both here and elsewhere, is that if you make the 'dec boring for them, then they'll generally go away. If you somehow reward their efforts, whether it be with expensive wrecks to loot/salvage, tears or smacktalk, they'll probably be encouraged to renew their 'dec on you.
lordlulzs	Posted - 2011.04.12 02:36:00 - [46] Extracting tears and rage from those that play EvE is easy and I will tell you how. Have more information and share it.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.14 15:51:00 - [47] I can teach you how to avoid war decs permenantly but it costs billions. You can probably read the mechanics on war decs and figure it out yourself, but it still costs billions. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Rek Jaiga Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.04.14 16:36:00 - [48] As has already been iterated many times here, EVE is basically a PvP game. I started out as a miner too, but when my alliance (Ah, Novus Aevum <3) was wardec'd even the industrial corps learned how to pvp. Granted my corp sucked at pvp at that time, but we learned to at least deny the wardeccers kills by staying docked, or being annoying with EWAR. Even if you're not into direct pew-pew you can sit at 70km-ish and just EWAR while your pvp friends (You've made some, right?) kill them for you. tl;dr, fight back or stay docked and play market games/PI. EVE is a really great game and I'd hate to see somebody leave but EVE truly is a PvP game.. ------------------- The path which can be seen is not the True Path
DrDan21 Caldari Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2011.04.14 20:20:00 - [49] Originally by: Emperor Cheney Wardecs by 12 year olds and fat guys in highsec are a tax on being a highsec carebear. Move to lowsec or null and you'll never see them again. There is also, of course, pvp in lowsec and null. It's a pvp MMO. There are many, many MMOs which are not, but this one is. This^ the highsec PvPers are to afraid to risk their shiny ships in lowsec and if they come at all will bring small t1 stuff that you can instapop
Woodman2	Posted - 2011.04.16 05:29:00 - [50] Take care about the info your corp discloses in it's description and adverts. Telling the world that you are a mining corp, or that you have a POS, etc is a good way to draw unwanted attention to yourselves. Make sure other corpmates are aware that smack talking on local is another good way to catch a war dec. And the guy war dec'ing you may not even know the guy you are smack talking, he just got PO'ed with your mouth. Once you are war dec'ed, do what most of the corps I see do, have an alt corp, quit the corp being dec'ed and move to the alt corp, leaving another alt as ceo of the dec'ed corp. You can only minimize your chances of a war dec, you can't stop them.

Veleste	Posted - 2011.04.16 13:28:00 - [51] Knowing I could lose everything if I get unlucky or do something stupid is what kept me struggling up through the learning curve of EvE. Everything I accomplished felt like an accomplishment because it could be taken away from me by stupidity or by force. It was exciting. You don't play EvE, you survive it. If you don't want to get wardecced there's some really great advice here already that I can agree with. Keep your head down, make some friends, be an unattractive target to the people who do wardec you. PvP is fun but in a real heartpounding way so I can understand why some people don't like it. For a long time I preferred mining too and I never got wardecced cause I found a nice quiet region to mine in and I generally stayed in .5 and .4 which tend to be lighter on players than high sec and a bit more noob friendly than the lower secs but pick your space carefully. Low sec is nothing to be afraid of, just keep an eye on local and always stay aligned to a safe location and you'll be fine. Don't be afraid to lose a ship, you're a manufacturer so you can just buy or make a new one. EvE is your oyster friend, go out and strip mine it.
Eelis Kiy Gallente Shadows Of The Federation R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.04.16 14:02:00 - [52] If you want to avoid war-decs then stay in an NPC corp. This ofc still does not guarantee you will not be blown up by someone though - that is the nature of the game. If you want to join a player corp then one of the aspects of player-corporations is that they can declare war on each other. A better step would probably be to educate yourself in how to fly safe and get some pvp happy mates to corp with/alliance with/hire when you need the help. ----------------------------- >>where the frack is my ship?<<
Anshio Tamark	Posted - 2011.06.17 12:54:00 - [53] Originally by: Dani Nardieu All these are valid tactics although some will be considered "dishonourable" by your griefers (lmao). It's just as dishonourable to attack defence-less industrialists. While I'm neither for nor against PVP, I do think war-decs are actually an advantage to industrialists, if they only have a decent supply of BPOs and BPCs at hand, as well as the necessary minerals. Griefer-Corp war-decs Industry-Corp, Industry-Corp should see this as an opportunity to increase their own income after the war, deploy a bunch of cheap-ass Frigates, fight back without caring about their own losses, possibly destroy a couple of Griefer-Corp's ships, war ends after a while, Industry-Corp sells Griefer-Corp new ships at higher prices than without war. All in all, Industry-Corp wins more than Griefer-Corp. Please tell me I'm not the only one seeing it this way...
Lin-Young Borovskova	Posted - 2011.06.18 13:17:00 - [54] Originally by: Emperor Cheney Wardecs by 12 year olds and fat guys in highsec are a tax on being a highsec carebear. Move to lowsec or null and you'll never see them again. There is also, of course, pvp in lowsec and null. It's a pvp MMO. There are many, many MMOs which are not, but this one is. And you know what? -small sh!tscums are in vacations soon, it's going to get worst until they get back to school. Better option is to join some low sec well known pirate alliance. They always have high sec pvp corps and ready to give those kiddies some lessons.
Silas Grief	Posted - 2011.06.18 15:56:00 - [55] Hmm, well. I WAS going to troll you, but I think I might actually give some real advice here. Here's the way I see it (Being the CEO of Total Grief) We war-dec for a couple reasons: -Lulz -Easy Kills -War-Contracts -A rouge member smack-talking in local -Random fun Reasons we continue a war (beyond the first week) -Lots of kills -Expensive kills -Tears -Lulz -Hate mail -Forum Threads! How to "Avoid" Wars -Stay docked up. (makes things really boring) -Drop corp (See above) -Buy out of war (If a ransom is offered) -Take the fight to us, and stick it to us. (if you can) How NOT to avoid wars: -Flying numberless T1 frigs and giving us endless kills. We will enjoy it, we will not get bored. I have to say most of the time, it's smack-talking that gets peope decs from us. So the easiest way is to keep your fellow corpmates under control. Hope it helps, -Silas Grief The Total Grief Team
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2011.06.19 08:23:00 - [56] Originally by: Mister Agreeable Originally by: Jakes Daisho I heard EVE University came up with a novel solution. They created a lot of alt corps and had them mutually war-dec their own alliance. Since war-dec costs increase exponentially if the target is already at war with others, this created a situation where it became prohibitively expensive to war-dec EVE University itself. I think they managed to get the cost up to a billion ISK. And since mutual war-decs are free, it didn't cost EVE University anything at all. Isn't this officially an exploit as stated by CCP? (heard many times that was a bannable offense) How come no one at EVE uni gets their accounts permabanned for such deliberate exploitation of the game's mechanic? Eve University employed this tactic once. When it as declared an exploit (which Eve-Uni petitioned first) they stopped using it. Since they only ever used it before it was declared an exploit, no one got banned. This was in May/June of 2008. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist NO!
Sagacious Z Minmatar Megaton m3 Heavy Industries	Posted - 2011.06.19 11:57:00 - [57] Originally by: Christina Yim Surely there are more options than this, right? Yes, and you read some of them here and many offered excellent suggestions. Why didn't you think of some of these? Pirates and wardecers are as crucial as anything to making EVE a compelling game. I think we should have a "pirate and wardecer appreciation day" annually. They make EVE exciting for carebears and everybody else by putting the risk/reward ratio to work and making others use their brains to figure out how to counter them. If your personality is such that you don't find the risk exciting, or if you don't find coming up with ways to lessen the potential risk for you a challenge, then maybe the game is not right for you. I want EVE to grow its member base, but the fact is, this game is designed for player interaction, and that includes wardecs, pirating, etc. The game is also complex and is designed for those who can think and use tactics and use their brain power. If your attitude is truly as your described it, what took you away from playing solitaire and tiddlywinks? Why not find others who have your same attitude and play style, form a corporation or alliance and use your collective brain trust to figure out ways to have more fun in the game and lessen your risk? If you feel an alliance made up of those with your play style will just attract even more predators, then form an unofficial club and share ideas, intelligence, etc. for mutual protection. If I were a game developer for EVE, I would work on even more ways to draw in (i.e. "force") even MORE player interaction, including nonsolicited player interaction. The ever present potential risk and nonsolicited player interaction makes EVE as good as it gets in gaming. The great majority of carebears would agree.
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.06.20 00:37:00 - [58] Originally by: Christina Yim So, I think we're all aware of the fact that the current war dec system is a grief fest of pvpers senselessly attacking innocent corporations that want nothing more to do in EVE than to mine and produce in high sec space. No I am not aware of that but are you aware of the players who expect to compete with me by selling things that I could produce or by mining rocks that I could mine or devalue my LP and generally affect me and other innocent players and expect to able to continue to do this without being affected in return?
Cannibal Kane Umkhonto we Sizwe	Posted - 2011.06.20 06:50:00 - [59] Originally by: Silas Grief Hmm, well. I WAS going to troll you, but I think I might actually give some real advice here. Here's the way I see it (Being the CEO of Total Grief) How to "Avoid" Wars -Stay docked up. (makes things really boring) -Drop corp (See above) -Stay Logged Off(And then Log back in the minute the war is over) Hope it helps, -Silas Grief The Total Grief Team Quoting that for truth. Total Grief has experience in that part. I just added an additional one we seen they employ when we had a war with them.


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