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Jack Abramof	Posted - 2011.03.26 08:12:00 - [1] Not sure which one to choose for killing missions tengu in high sec with only 1 char suiciding. The char im planning to use have matari BS 4 ( training 5 right now ) and can use large T2 arties and T2 sentries. 1/ do i need to get T2 arties or can i 1volley them with only T1 2/ is it possible to achieve this with only 1 ship or do i need to get another account involved for the kill 3/ Apoc with 8 arties or Pest with 6 arties 2 cuise , was thinking 2 T2 TP, 3 gyros, 2 sebo 2 , 1 passive targetter to not scare them when undocking Can use also T2 sentries if needed Some advices from people in this kind of business would be appreciated, can be here or PM thanks
Millie Clode Amarr Insert Cool Name Here	Posted - 2011.03.26 10:23:00 - [2] For a single volley, an apoc with 8 1400mm artys will hit harder than 6 bonused ones on a tempest. For suicide ganking, it's cheaper to use meta guns rather than T2 (although, thats only an issue if your gank fails). Numbers, it depends on the tengu fit, if he's got damage specific hards and you're using the right ammo, you can do it with one ship, otherwise you may need 2. ---------- Who, me?
Doris Kouvo	Posted - 2011.03.26 10:27:00 - [3] Edited by: Doris Kouvo on 26/03/2011 10:29:39 I have had 2 Failed suicide attempts on my mains tengu to date. Both times it was 3 BS, The most recent was 2 mael and 1 geddon. GL with only 1 ship. -edit- Since the second attempt the 1 bill booster is no longer in my care, I have since toned down the fit.
Sven Hammerstorm	Posted - 2011.03.26 11:54:00 - [4] one ship with good skills and implants is enough with a bit of luck :P
Songbird Gallente T.I.E. Inc.	Posted - 2011.03.26 12:04:00 - [5] even the non active hardeners tengu has 25-40k EHP - and that's for active tanked ones. There's no way in hell a single BS can have 30k volley damage even with arties. And then there's the question of actually hitting the ship. it's signature is that of a cruiser you know. I really really doubt you gonna get a crit on that small a signature with 1400mm guns, even if it's coming straight at you. And yeah - I don't think you'd care to believe me but I invite you to go to test server and try it.
Jack Abramof	Posted - 2011.03.26 13:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Songbird even the non active hardeners tengu has 25-40k EHP - and that's for active tanked ones. There's no way in hell a single BS can have 30k volley damage even with arties. And then there's the question of actually hitting the ship. it's signature is that of a cruiser you know. I really really doubt you gonna get a crit on that small a signature with 1400mm guns, even if it's coming straight at you. And yeah - I don't think you'd care to believe me but I invite you to go to test server and try it. Im planning to be at 40 kms from station, so tracking should not be an issue, and about the cruiser size signature, i wil use 2 tech2 target painter and the char im planning to use have Signature Focusing 4 , that 20 % multiplier for each TP so hitting it should not be a problem at all.
Herrring Amarr National Quality Breaker	Posted - 2011.03.26 17:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Songbird even the non active hardeners tengu has 25-40k EHP - and that's for active tanked ones. There's no way in hell a single BS can have 30k volley damage even with arties. And then there's the question of actually hitting the ship. it's signature is that of a cruiser you know. I really really doubt you gonna get a crit on that small a signature with 1400mm guns, even if it's coming straight at you. And yeah - I don't think you'd care to believe me but I invite you to go to test server and try it. When you are ganking a tengu, you shoot them when the tengu is either 1. undocking 2. jumping through a gate So the hardners are off(unless they are smart and turns on their hardners at all times) Also while a single apoc wont kill a tengu with the hardners off if the pilot has all lv5 skills, most tengu pilots do not have armor skills trained to 5. so while its not a guaranteed solo gank, one successful gank makes up for a few failed ganks so its usually worth trying. I have seen a single apoc takeout a tengu so i know its possible. Just check the killboard for tengu kills in motsu. There should be more than a few solo ganks on tengus there.
Jack Abramof	Posted - 2011.03.26 18:44:00 - [8] thanks Herrring
Goose99	Posted - 2011.03.26 19:32:00 - [9] Edited by: Goose99 on 26/03/2011 19:34:59 Originally by: Herrring Originally by: Songbird even the non active hardeners tengu has 25-40k EHP - and that's for active tanked ones. There's no way in hell a single BS can have 30k volley damage even with arties. And then there's the question of actually hitting the ship. it's signature is that of a cruiser you know. I really really doubt you gonna get a crit on that small a signature with 1400mm guns, even if it's coming straight at you. And yeah - I don't think you'd care to believe me but I invite you to go to test server and try it. When you are ganking a tengu, you shoot them when the tengu is either 1. undocking 2. jumping through a gate So the hardners are off(unless they are smart and turns on their hardners at all times) Also while a single apoc wont kill a tengu with the hardners off if the pilot has all lv5 skills, most tengu pilots do not have armor skills trained to 5. so while its not a guaranteed solo gank, one successful gank makes up for a few failed ganks so its usually worth trying. I have seen a single apoc takeout a tengu so i know its possible. Just check the killboard for tengu kills in motsu. There should be more than a few solo ganks on tengus there. Unless it's warping into gate on autopilot, solo gate gank is a bad idea. Ships jumping into gate is not gankable, jumping out of gate means decloaking at different spots and accelerating at different angles. Even with stacked tracking mods and tps, chances are your 1400s won't track well enough to oneshot tengu accelerating away at even partial transversal. I'm speaking from experience. Undocking gank is much easier. You know the target's transversal, park your apoc accordingly. Keep in mind that you should pick a good system where noobs are for this (Motsu, Irijunen, etc), location is key. Park an apoc at a smaller non-noob hub like Scheenins, and every tengu that undocks will instawarp out the moment they see your apoc parked out front. Once in a while, one would undock, redock after 20 sec, then undock in a frig to make bm. Redock gank takes more sp in targeting, and more scripted sebos then usual. You wait off station in line with a gate. Wait for a tengu to warp from gate into station. If he's not lucky, he will land 1km or so off station, to a standstill, giving you the chance to gank before he accelerates into station docking radius. It's random. Some people use insta-redock bms, but the practice is much less common than insta-undock. In theory, dead end hubs like Wuos would be ideal, as there's only one gate in line to station that all inbound traffic go through. In practice, people there are non-noobs, and adapt by using redock bms, not to mention low population. The best gank spots, again, are noob hubs like Motsu, Irijunen or Diodixie, despite their many gates. Good luck out there.
Jack Abramof	Posted - 2011.03.26 19:57:00 - [10] cheers mate and thx for the advices -)
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.03.26 20:14:00 - [11] a max skilled tengu's EHP using a RF EMP damage profile is very close to an 8x 1400mm II apocs volley. I'd use two just to be sure
Alonzo Harris	Posted - 2011.03.26 20:48:00 - [12] Originally by: Songbird even the non active hardeners tengu has 25-40k EHP - and that's for active tanked ones. There's no way in hell a single BS can have 30k volley damage even with arties. And then there's the question of actually hitting the ship. it's signature is that of a cruiser you know. I really really doubt you gonna get a crit on that small a signature with 1400mm guns, even if it's coming straight at you. And yeah - I don't think you'd care to believe me but I invite you to go to test server and try it. Non-EM tanked Tengu have about 12k EHP tops, many people do this.

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