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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.03.26 14:37:00 -
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If you aren't keeping up with the dev blogs, please read the latest one, in which CCP speaks about removing all of the "good" anomalies from high truesec 0.0 systems. CCP once again shows a clear lack of understanding of game mechanics, if they think this will in any way "help" 0.0. Please comment in this thread to add your voice to the protest against this. In the past CCP has changed their mind when they see too many people are unhappy about the change. ---
Originally by: Sporked EVE IS DYING RUN TO THE HILLS! WE MIGHT HAVE TO ENGAGE WITH OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS MMO! THEY MIGHT SHOOT AT US WHILE WE ARE BUSY HOLDING HANDS AND FROLICKING! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Razzor Death
Gallente Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 14:40:00 -
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I don't know how to break this to you buddy but CCP are literally **** and every change they make to 0.0 only ever further demonstrates how out of touch with the game they are. If this angers you I would advise you play another game otherwise enjoy your heart attack at 40 years of age.
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Razzor Death
Gallente Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 14:43:00 -
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GAIS GAIS
lvl 4 high quality agents all over high sec everywhere !
and whilst we are at it lets r@pe 0.0 plexing.
Who do you think they are trying to make happy ?
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Mercenaries of Andosia Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.03.26 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Ace Frehley on 26/03/2011 14:44:48 Fix moongoo and Jumpbridges and it will be perfect, samllscale "warfear" back and lots or hamsters survive. Gogo CCp
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Ed Rush
Gallente Erasers inc. Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Ed Rush on 26/03/2011 15:37:20 but hey.. we get to walk in our captains quarters ! no need to undock! better than ratting or pewpew!
CCP Teemu Vilen the guy from Sulake Habbo Hotel involved in making the station walking in eve online:
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Kimsemus
Amarr H A V O C Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ed Rush Edited by: Ed Rush on 26/03/2011 15:37:20 but hey.. we get to walk in our captains quarters ! no need to undock! better than ratting or pewpew!
CCP Teemu Vilen the guy from Sulake Habbo Hotel involved in making the station walking in eve online:
Hmmm, that in station screenshot with the Carbon engine looks amazing, can you leak some more for us? :D
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Deja Thoris
Amarr Invicta.
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:40:00 -
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Scared you will have to fight your masters for decent plexing?
Good change imo. The pets shouldn't earn as much as their glorious masters. This will put alliances like yours in your rightful place at the bottom of the long drop.
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g0ldfinger07
Amarr Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ace Frehley Edited by: Ace Frehley on 26/03/2011 14:44:48 Fix moongoo and Jumpbridges and it will be perfect, samllscale "warfear" back and lots or hamsters survive. Gogo CCp
And get rid of all the anoms all together because the tears are delicious and anoms are teh g**.
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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:45:00 -
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I would like to remind you that Pandemic Legion still has systems and stations in Delve for sale. As you might know, Delve has excellent truesec and will be perfect for corporations and alliances to make a living out of cosmic anomalies and belt ratting once these changes go live.
Contact Elise Randolph, Fintroll or MissBolyai for more information. _____
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Elektrea
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:52:00 -
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oh god, all the baaaaaaaaaaaws in this thread. ----------
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Sephiroth CloneVII
Amarr Vitriol Ventures United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.26 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Sephiroth CloneVII on 26/03/2011 18:32:13 * Some alliances will immediately start wanting to look for better space * In the longer run, there'll be more conflicts going on, with more localized goals * Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec * Coalitions will be marginally less stable * Alliances will have to choose more carefully what space they develop, where their staging systems are, and so on (low truesec systems generally tend to be in strategically inconvenient places)
CCP doesn't like NC, and wants it to start shooting itself.
Though as to if goals will happen, I have my doubts. But I do find it off they are nerfing parts of null sec, shouldn't the rewards be greater to make it so a major income or resource exists other then moon mining.
I would think it be better if in the suckest null sec (upgrade) system can have the highest anominalys, and the lower true sec more common signatures appear, and better ones. So don't nerf the low null sec, just boast the rest of it depending on true sec rating, and maybe have more variety in quality for fun?
If little, and diminishing rewards exists for null sec that is likely to be more over looked by established alliances, it wont help new people try to move in. The reward has to match the cost of setting up things, and fighting to hold the space.
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Delinquent00
Amarr dark underground training operation Ka'ge Kumi
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:04:00 -
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I think more and more NC are starting to hate themselves. When will they realize they are so hated? ;p
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Farham
Gallente The Fimbriani Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:20:00 -
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I wonder how all the corps and alliances who have dropped crap loads of stations in really crappy sec space are feeling about now.
Not hacking it in 0.0 since 2006
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SirJoJo
Gallente Nomads Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:28:00 -
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Crosspost, now go away the changes are good, and stop whining and attack and get some better space for yourself
Originally by: CCP Greyscale Hey everyone,
It'd be pretty difficult not to notice the fairly strong negative reaction this blog's getting so far, and any time this sort of reaction occurs it's pretty common policy for us to take a pause and do another evaluation pass on the design, taking into account the arguments raised by players. Obviously we're in the middle of fanfest right now so everything takes a little longer than usual, but I'm going to talk to some people tomorrow, get some other perspectives, and figure out whether or not we're still happy with both the direction and the details here.
We are starting to take another serious look at a range of nullsec issues right now, with an eye to fixing structural issues with the current design. Be aware that fixing the problems we're facing is very likely going to involve disrupting the current status quo, and in at least some cases I'm expecting us to push through changes we're confident in despite (expected) negative feedback. We have to consider the long-term big picture, and that priority may sometimes conflict with the immediate interests of some elements of the playerbase. That said, this may or may not be one of those occasions - watch this space.
Have a nice weekend everybody, and I'll try and get back to you with more info next week -Greyscale
Now plzz dont listen to the large immense of whine coming form people living in rather useless 0.0 space in there opinion. now the space is not useless, its just not as good as all the other 0.0 space and it shouldent, eve is about conflict and space, now whit all space being the same it makes less reason for conflicts, and thats a bad bad thing for eve.
whit the introduction of anomolies old time belt ratting was made practically useless compared to anomolies and you could now upgrade any space to have the best anomolies so whit that all the conflict evolving around the space in 0.0 pretty much stopped happening, we want conflicts in eve and we want them all over the space between all sizes of alliances as it is now theres pretty much only 2 entitys in eve creating a conflict one being PL and the other the DRF whit there geminate assault,
atm eve is from fountain to geminate one big happy party and that can only happen because there no conflict of interest happening, they all have the same value of space and they a are all happy, and its pretty much the same in the south just not on such a big extend as in the north.
now imagine what would happen when eve wet back to well there 0.0 space thats good, decent , and worthless ppl would have to step up and react or they would have to live in crap space( well no so crap but it could be better)
These changes is some of the best ever introduced by CCP and first time in a million years you make the game harder for once, now DO IT, lets have a harder game for once and lets see some more conflict in this game instead of the 2 Multigazillion alliance conflict we have had for years,
o.o space shouldn't be all the same in fact there should be alot more difference in it,
Anomolies changes are good for EVE as a hole, make them happen and watch the game evolve around its space and not being one big we all happy cause we all have the same value space now,
whit the new anomolies changes its a end to lets put 3k members into this useless space and nap em, the 3k ppl would say no and most likely say give us some of the good space also or we will take it, CONFLICT AROUND SPACE!!!
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gala gidas
Amarr Parental Control HELL4S
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:33:00 -
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Nothing is going to change for coalitions.After all its a small group controlling the many.Changing the assets-ISK making of the typical(ignorant)grunt wont change the way their masters make ISK,after all the grunt is doing what he is told and his opinion doesnt matter.I wont even mention pets since well...they are pets. A change that might actually meant something is to change the way the leading groups are making ISK,thus changing the moon goo spawn area to other areas.I think its not viable to mess with the grunts,they are not the brightest players anyway,they ll grind anything for "gf's" anyway...
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SOKOLO
Minmatar WEPRA CORP WILD BOARS
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:34:00 -
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bull**** ,Nerf moonmining !! a yes sorry great alliance dont that (NC,Goons.. and compagnies) so . you will nerf all but you dont touch the moonminning you are GREAT
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omgdutch2005
Gallente Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: omgdutch2005 on 26/03/2011 19:43:28 http://www.petitiononline.com/ieg2011/petition.html
stop the nerf now! vote now!
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Mya ElleTerego
Amarr The Hull Miners Union Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:07:00 -
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I think ccp is 100% right, nerf anoms in crap space, buff truesec sov space, and nerf moon goo and spread it out alot more, and increase the amount available drastically to lower costs of t2 ships and dramatically increase supply compared to demand. Also nerf coalition use of jump bridge networks and titans. Alliance / corp only, also I would like to see non corp / alliance cynos not work for titan bridging. To cut down on the meta gaming hot drop ***gotry that detracts from the game.
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Armeggeda iscariah
Caldari Retribution. Inc. R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:31:00 -
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* Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec
this made me laugh
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Kaeh
Minmatar Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Farham
I wonder how all the corps and alliances who have dropped crap loads of stations in really crappy sec space are feeling about now.
You talking about yourself?
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Swren1
Gallente Infinite Covenant Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:59:00 -
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Sort Lag > Bring back old cyno > then make your **** changes CCP
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Monkey M3n
Amarr GK inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.26 21:15:00 -
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dayum first CCP fixes lag now they're fixing 0.0. What will the fixed next
nc kids : umad?
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Lise Kahel
Amarr Mercenaries.of.Andosia
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Posted - 2011.03.26 21:28:00 -
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Talking about equilibriums; moon goo could use some balancing (or nerfing, whatever).
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Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.26 21:30:00 -
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Who cares eve is dying anyway Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance it accumulates in the form of facts. |
ChYph3r
Minmatar Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.26 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Who cares eve is dying anyway
im starting to agree with gumpy..... Talking to all of you is like clapping with one hand! |
PhantomTrojan
Gallente Son of the Shadows
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Posted - 2011.03.26 23:30:00 -
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why dont they nerf lv 4 too, im currently doing missions because im earning around the same amounts of isk or more. they should nerf moon goo and buff anomalies.
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Sephiroth CloneVII
Amarr Vitriol Ventures United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.26 23:33:00 -
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Don't listen to people who currently live in high true sec 0.0 systems, listen to corps anywhere else, who imagine that by making a coveted prize even worse to have it will somehow end up in their possession.
"ah, the null sec system we have eyed is so bad now that even renters will not take it, now we can take it spending hundreds of millions of isk to take it and... oh wait we can make more isk running level 4s never mind, stay course comrades, we shall continue to stake claim in this level 4 mission hub"
And I am sure NC is the only collection with blues on the map right, NCdot and evoke has no blues but their own alliance. Stainwagon shoots each other, red alliance and legion of death regularly get in brawls.
What I wonder, if one group of blues is too big by some arbitrators standards, I wonder how big is too big, is it more then one alliance, or 5? who makes the rules for player organization in a sandbox game, the sandbox organization counsel. No corp can be larger then 100, and can only have one other Allied corp, and guns auto target and randomly shot at anyone else to prevent any cooperation beyond that of the corp and one Allie?
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Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.27 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: ChYph3r
Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Who cares eve is dying anyway
im starting to agree with gumpy.....
Well at first i was actually being a little bit sarcastic, but then i checked the future of eve vid and the turret effects vid and it starts to look like that's going to be it for the coming years.... Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance it accumulates in the form of facts. |
codex09
Minmatar do you -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:37:00 -
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IF CCP decide to move forward with this the chances are it will just cause even more of the older characters that live in 0.0 for plexes etc to go play something else. It may even drive whole corps to leave. (alliances also maybe?)(Does CCP care if they lose a heap of PAYING customers?)
The thing is CCP have shown for some time that their interest is truly else where & when things like this happen it just confirms this more & more. The game is after all 7+ years old now & what it started out wanting to do & be has changed. The new direction it is heading seems to be about making the game better for those who live within the boundaries of Highsec, & making it look all nice & shinny. (reduce the damn server lag, don't keep adding to the load with shinny crap thats good to look at but which does nothing to help when it comes to trying to have fun in a fleet battle)
0.0 residents are having many of their advantages listed for either nerf'ing or removal all together & that is adding to the ever growing list of reasons people don't want to continue out in 0.0. (Why are they wanting to get people out of 0.0?)
Anyway they will do what they want to do that has been proven before & like some have said IF people don't like it there are always other options... There are people who want to die & It is Our Job To make sure they get their wish as fast as possible!?!
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EnderCapitalG
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: codex09 (Why are they wanting to get people out of 0.0?)
Obviously they want current blues to fight against each other for their trusec systems, although you can make more isk/hr doing Level 4's than running Sanctums vOv
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The Slagh
Amarr Universal Peace Operation
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Posted - 2011.03.27 06:29:00 -
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Originally by: terrible nc carebears what the **** they are turning off our isk faucet now we will have to actually care about what space we hold
ez life is over for you guys
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.03.27 08:22:00 -
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So CCP thinks that coalitions and alliances that have been allys and friends some for years, are going to backstab and start fighting each other over...sanctums? It still amuses me how CCP seems so disconnected from their own game.
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Zaber Xavier
Caldari Solaris Operations Forever Unbound
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Posted - 2011.03.27 08:35:00 -
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from what i can tell yall enjoy broken nodes and system crashes necause of conflict . well if you create more conflict then you get more large scale fights. which at the same time crashes the node more so before we going nerfing 0.o lets try getting the correct codes or lines that can hold a node up of 2500players on it or more with no lag what soo ever. so yes i am against the nerf. yes i am a grunt i am not stupid but i know what i have too do too make monety too fight and too make **** like missions is soo much bs its just bad. soo ccp fix your freckin game first before you start making any changes. and stop adding **** wait until the ;lag codes or lines are fixed cause all your gonna do is loose more and more people
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Comy 1
Amarr Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.03.27 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Brooks Puuntai So CCP thinks that coalitions and alliances that have been allys and friends some for years, are going to backstab and start fighting each other over...sanctums? It still amuses me how CCP seems so disconnected from their own game.
Sanctums means nothing, that's why this thread was created.
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Farham
Gallente The Fimbriani Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.03.27 15:19:00 -
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" Originally by: Farham
I wonder how all the corps and alliances who have dropped crap loads of stations in really crappy sec space are feeling about now.
Laughing
You talking about yourself?"
Yes, Since I live in Vale of Silent....
Not hacking it in 0.0 since 2006
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xKillswitchx
Caldari Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.27 15:37:00 -
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The reason why CCP is doing this is because they want to encourage us to have moer fights over resources. The problem I see with this is we already have massive fights in null sec with tons of regions being flipped over the last 6 months. Yet in all of this fighting. CCP has yet to have improved the lag. Instead, they continue to give us more and more "upgrades" that they say are helping to improve the game yet they still haven't fixed the fundamental problem of lag.
Introducing more things like what they are talking about is only going to **** people off and nerf the game. If this is truly the way they want to go why not make most of null sec empire space and be done with it. Saying that -.1 to -.2 only gets this anomaly and so on is stupid. If that's how its going to be then why not get rid of the various levels of null sec one true sec standings.
I honestly think if CCP goes through with this massive nerf of null sec they are going to lose the vast majority of players. There will be even more swaths of null sec that is left unclaimed and not used because there will only be small pockets of a region that is even worth upgrading. The whole point of doing the upgrades was to allow people to take a crappy system and make it usable to allow them to make isk. It created minnie empires and that was the entire goal and intent. It did what it needed. Let's leave the system the way it is and let's work on fixing the existing problems.
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JusyFrut
Caldari Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.27 15:56:00 -
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Can i please have what CCP Greyscale has been smoking / drinking it obviously works very well!
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xXxSatsujinxXx
Gallente Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2011.03.27 18:49:00 -
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ZOMGRAGERAGEOMGZ
How did we live before sanctum farms came along?
I seem to remember hearing a load of whining for the last few months about no ratters being in belts anymore, instead they're tucked up safe in sanctums and hard to catch wahwah. CCP fix it for you pvp'ers, and all of a sudden you're whining hard about your carebear backbone.
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SXyWhile
Gallente Echo Roaming Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.27 18:55:00 -
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Do what you want. Too many ****ing carebears in this ****ing game. Make them angry so they start pvping.
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I Legionnaire
Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:21:00 -
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I fully support the proposed changes.
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:28:00 -
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What? A step toward having terrible space offered to terrible players?
HABIT
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momtherussiansbadtouchme
Gallente Infinite Covenant Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: momtherussiansbadtouchme on 27/03/2011 19:59:23 Link to spreadsheet form of scrapheap chart
For those of you that don't mind clicking links, here's the graph in a Google spreadsheet.
To get the numbers i took: <-.2 at -4 sites as that removed all havens and sanctums -.3 to -.4 at -2 sites which leaves havens but no sanctums -.5 to -.6 at -1 for 2 havens and 1 sanctum -.7 to -.8 at +1 for 2 haven 2 sanctums and the extra -.9 to -1.0 at +2 for 3 and 3
If my numbers are off on those if someone wants to tell me what the proper numbers more likely are per field I can change it pretty fast
TLDR with that system losses of high end sites are DRF 30% loss across 15 regions PL 26% loss on one region NC 57% loss across seven regions CAAASEROL 50% loss across seven regions Nulli Secunda 33$ loss on one region DC 48% loss across 3 regions Ev0ke 93 percent loss on one region
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Zaber Xavier
Caldari Solaris Operations Forever Unbound
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Posted - 2011.03.27 22:09:00 -
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are yall really that narrow minded that all yall saw was me ****ed off bout the sanctums. i was making an example and the main point in that whole deal is that ccp has yet too fix the main problem and they will keep dodging it until they have no more subscritpions playing their game. (ITS THE LAG ISSUE) we have seen that they cant handle what they want more of so they are trying too create more of good i like it but first lets stick with the main problem at hand we see it or read about or hear about all the time LAG MAJOR MAGOR LAG in the fleet battles with they want more fighting in null sec ok but what has been stopping most of it is that the node cant handle what is brought too the table soo they need too first find that code or something that keeps going wrong and fix it.
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Wicked X
Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.27 22:43:00 -
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Sounds like some great changes. Keep up the good work CCP and dont let the whining carebears stop you. Coalitions whining about those changes means it has the effect you hope for.
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Soldarius
Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.27 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Wicked X Sounds like some great changes. Keep up the good work CCP and dont let the whining carebears stop you. Coalitions whining about those changes means it has the effect you hope for.
Well, since youz guyz make isk from contracts, what happens when all the targets leave nul? It's trickle-down economics.
You gonna follow the bears to hisec and start war-decing for isk?
Originally by: CCP Shadow ...I cannot guarantee (my) sobriety or decency.
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Misanth
Amarr RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.03.27 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: xXxSatsujinxXx ZOMGRAGERAGEOMGZ
How did we live before sanctum farms came along?
I seem to remember hearing a load of whining for the last few months about no ratters being in belts anymore, instead they're tucked up safe in sanctums and hard to catch wahwah. CCP fix it for you pvp'ers, and all of a sudden you're whining hard about your carebear backbone.
You mean someone else remembers the days before sanctums, lv4's, easy logistics in null.. when beltratting was the way to make isk and smallscale roaming PvP was still happening?
I guess the OP has a point. It is so nice to have all carebears cluttered up in a fortress home system, pretty safed up in sanctums with every defensive tool seconds away. Farming isk at (the very least) a double lv4-rate, and no reason to care in what region you live. Yes, it does sound sensible..
..but then, a portion of my corp taxes goes straight to me, so ehrm. *cough* -
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5n4keyes
Caldari Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.03.28 01:08:00 -
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The problem isnt that they are removing Havens and Sanctums from alot of EvE, its that its a massive backtrack on the vision for 0.0.
CCP has stated they want all of 0.0 to be filled up and useable, which is why the upgrades were introduced, this allowed the smaller alliances to get somewhere in the game, they could have that crappy constellation that the big guys didnt want, carve there little bit of 0.0, this worked really well.
Added to this, people were then able to generate some nice income, which ment having an extra account, or two, or three.
Yes the anoms effected PVP, but this is being fixed to an extent, by the changes to the on board scanner, making it easier to find a ratter. Hell take it one step further, and put anoms on the overview like Incursions if you really want to.
These changes will once again devalue 0.0, and with the changes to Agents, its going to drive people back to empire, and them alts that came with the extra income, will be deactivated.
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Chaosmancer
Caldari Missions Mining and Mayhem Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.03.28 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Brooks Puuntai So CCP thinks that coalitions and alliances that have been allys and friends some for years, are going to backstab and start fighting each other over...sanctums? It still amuses me how CCP seems so disconnected from their own game.
As a member of -42- I'm sure you've seen your fair share of drama over who's got dibs on anoms.
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Marconus Orion
Amarr S.E.G.W.A.Y.
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Posted - 2011.03.28 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: 5n4keyes its a massive backtrack on the vision for 0.0.
The vision for 0.0 is not back tracking. The vision is evolving. Just like any changes, it will cause players to rethink how they play the game. Forge new allies, sever old ones. Abandon old strategies and formulate new ones.
Changes to the game is nothing new to players. Especially EVE players. What was the phrase NC was screaming at the top of their lungs when the nano nerf was announced because they couldn't handle small fast roaming gangs running circles around their blobs? Ah yes...
Adapt or die!
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Pesadel0
Minmatar the muppets RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.03.28 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: 5n4keyes its a massive backtrack on the vision for 0.0.
The vision for 0.0 is not back tracking. The vision is evolving. Just like any changes, it will cause players to rethink how they play the game. Forge new allies, sever old ones. Abandon old strategies and formulate new ones.
Changes to the game is nothing new to players. Especially EVE players. What was the phrase NC was screaming at the top of their lungs when the nano nerf was announced because they couldn't handle small fast roaming gangs running circles around their blobs? Ah yes...
Adapt or die!
Of course is backtracking , because you know some people including you apparently played before anomalies were introduced , so we will be back to pre-anomaly days , when 0.0 was more empty than it is today.
It will generate more PVP?I mean really what the hell are you guys smoking?People will just move on to empire and farm L4 with the alts and make a s*** of cash and safer.
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Myz Toyou
Minmatar APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2011.03.28 09:32:00 -
[51]
Good stuff by CCP, just check how much bounty payout increased since they implemented Eldorado for every 0.0 system. At the moment wars last months on end and ending mostly in a stalement. Before the changes to Eldorado wars were lost because the grunts run out of ISK after 4-10 weeks and therefor bailed to greener pastures. Also less ISK, less Supers or atleast they`re not getting that fast replaced as it happens now -> Good
Moar tears please.
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Mercenaries of Andosia Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.03.28 09:43:00 -
[52]
I lulz at the whine here.
Why is it so bad? It is not like regions in 0.0 been dead before the "equal crap space" was launched. Look at Provi, 1 of the worst regions if you look at it. Still CVA and their dudes manage to build a region that prosperd without moongoo and sanctums. Most of CVA space was build before Dominion I think. And for people who played back in castor era and before you could build stations, every region was populated. In the very early era of eve, some regions dident even have stations. Then stations came in none-npc space, often 3 stations per region sometimes just 2, and maybe 5-6 jumps between factory and refinery station, and people lived in the new frontier with no problem. It is all about adopting the current living conditions.
I think this new era of non equal space will do more good for 0.0 space then this sanctum crap is. Alliances who control space will have to come up with new ways to make isk. maybe open up their space to third party people who travel to their space to do trade, build etc. We get an era of neutral workforce that generate isk to the alliance by their actions. Not as it is today, when alliance closes it space and kill everything that comes near or blue it. Atlast we maybe get a civilian third party commercial era of 0.0 space, and manage to create something ISS failed to do.
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Rico Minali
Gallente Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.03.28 10:38:00 -
[53]
Reading stuff about pve and anomolies...Attempting to care.... No, still dont care about pve. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos En Garde
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Posted - 2011.03.28 11:47:00 -
[54]
people lived in crap true systems before ccp went on a :sperg: lets make every one equal **** idea.
every one isn't equal so stop the qq plx
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Hei'di
Amarr Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2011.03.28 12:11:00 -
[55]
don't be afraid my beloved grunts! that's the only 0.0 change upcoming so u should be more than happy. everything beyond that prolly won't pass any meeting of the paper tiger aka csm especially with the guys in it. so in the end there will be fewer proper anomalies and everything else remains the same, that's definately what i call a massive change in the 0.0 environment.
cheers
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FlameGlow
Caldari Avalon Guards Gypsy Band
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Posted - 2011.03.28 12:31:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Armeggeda iscariah * Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec
this made me laugh
They said the same about dominion, because you know, grinding hundred million EHP of sov structures for weeks is really friendly to new alliances Same anoms everywhere may remove one of reasons for conflict, but it sure makes a lot more of 0.0 worth living in, instead of just sticking to lvl 4s in empire. |
Heptameron
Gallente Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.28 13:34:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Delinquent00 I think more and more NC are starting to hate themselves. When will they realize they are so hated? ;p
I hate myself so much I spank my monkey every night... I tried choking my chicken but just wasn't the same.
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Zaber Xavier
Caldari Solaris Operations Forever Unbound
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Posted - 2011.03.28 16:25:00 -
[58]
guys yall are dumber then i thought or tyall are rping soo hard that yall do not want too see the truth. Who gives a fly **** about the ****ing sanctiums its the ****ing lag we really want them too fix they have had how many times too fix it and they keep dodging the issue by bringing more new crap out well **** the new crap and fix the ****ing lag if a node cant with stand the fights like the drf and nc has been having then we do not need anymore ****ing new **** just to hide the lack of concern for the problem at hand so all you rping pieces of ****s wake the **** up and smell the ****ing coffee damn yall
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m3rb3aSt
Minmatar Tovarsky Pharmaceuticals Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.28 17:26:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Zaber Xavier guys yall are dumber then i thought or tyall are rping soo hard that yall do not want too see the truth. Who gives a fly **** about the ****ing sanctiums its the ****ing lag we really want them too fix they have had how many times too fix it and they keep dodging the issue by bringing more new crap out well **** the new crap and fix the ****ing lag if a node cant with stand the fights like the drf and nc has been having then we do not need anymore ****ing new **** just to hide the lack of concern for the problem at hand so all you rping pieces of ****s wake the **** up and smell the ****ing coffee damn yall
Wow you type like a ******.
Also here is a decent solution. Keep it the same and just add new anomalies to -.8 and better systems. They would be like sanctums but even tougher with more high end BSes. Maybe even add ELITE BATTLESHIP NPCS!!
That way no one gets the shaft, everyone is happy, and really good space is now actually worth fighting for!
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Myz Toyou
Minmatar APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2011.03.28 17:47:00 -
[60]
Originally by: m3rb3aSt
Wow you type like a ******.
Also here is a decent solution. Keep it the same and just add new anomalies to -.8 and better systems. They would be like sanctums but even tougher with more high end BSes. Maybe even add ELITE BATTLESHIP NPCS!!
That way no one gets the shaft, everyone is happy, and really good space is now actually worth fighting for!
The new CSM line up will also force CCP to spawn Officers every 60min in every belt because the current system is unfair
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Sephiroth CloneVII
Amarr Vitriol Ventures United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ace Frehley I lulz at the whine here.
Why is it so bad? It is not like regions in 0.0 been dead before the "equal crap space" was launched. Look at Provi, 1 of the worst regions if you look at it. Still CVA and their dudes manage to build a region that prosperd without moongoo and sanctums. Most of CVA space was build before Dominion I think. And for people who played back in castor era and before you could build stations, every region was populated. In the very early era of eve, some regions dident even have stations. Then stations came in none-npc space, often 3 stations per region sometimes just 2, and maybe 5-6 jumps between factory and refinery station, and people lived in the new frontier with no problem. It is all about adopting the current living conditions.
I think this new era of non equal space will do more good for 0.0 space then this sanctum crap is. Alliances who control space will have to come up with new ways to make isk. maybe open up their space to third party people who travel to their space to do trade, build etc. We get an era of neutral workforce that generate isk to the alliance by their actions. Not as it is today, when alliance closes it space and kill everything that comes near or blue it. Atlast we maybe get a civilian third party commercial era of 0.0 space, and manage to create something ISS failed to do.
CVA built a region, used to have it. Back in the day without dominion sov bills. CVA is gone, the sob bills of dominion for stations with the crappy non-upgradeable systems of pre-dominion makes a fail which what CVA did will never happen in the future.
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Painpill
Minmatar Open Space Mining and Resource Extraction
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zaber Xavier are yall really that narrow minded that all yall saw was me ****ed off bout the sanctums. i was making an example and the main point in that whole deal is that ccp has yet too fix the main problem and they will keep dodging it until they have no more subscritpions playing their game. (ITS THE LAG ISSUE) we have seen that they cant handle what they want more of so they are trying too create more of good i like it but first lets stick with the main problem at hand we see it or read about or hear about all the time LAG MAJOR MAGOR LAG in the fleet battles with they want more fighting in null sec ok but what has been stopping most of it is that the node cant handle what is brought too the table soo they need too first find that code or something that keeps going wrong and fix it.
lol NO NO NO
the issue here are NAP's
WHY would you need 3000 doods to fight 300? are you all really that mindless that you cant do anything without Major Alliances holding your hands? Seriously get off that teet
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Miagi Sans
Amarr PURgE-Corp PURgE Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Armeggeda iscariah * Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec
this made me laugh
yeah i don't get it either....how is this supposed to help?
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Revolution Rising
Minmatar Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:10:00 -
[64]
why shouldn't it be nerfed?
People can mine 6-10 hours a day and collect 1b at the end of the week.
Ratters rat for 3 hours a day and get 2 x 1b isk drops and a couple worth 500m each.
gf. (no that wasn't short for good fight).
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MuppetsSlayed
Minmatar Strategic Syndicate -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:12:00 -
[65]
0.0 is already far too over crowded with the current amount of worthwhile anomolies.
Only 4 per system currently means we all need to group up. The spawn rates are currently far to slow as it is now.
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc325/MuppetsSlayed/too_crowded.png
And you want to make this worse? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND
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lwxsky oli
Minmatar FACTS on EVE OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:08:00 -
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Nerf everything. Only thing will last for ever is macro bots.
Already 30% characters using bots making one billion isk per day.
So who give a xxxx about all these changes. LOL
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Grml Z
Amarr North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:11:00 -
[67]
Originally by: MuppetsSlayed 0.0 is already far too over crowded with the current amount of worthwhile anomolies.
Only 4 per system currently means we all need to group up. The spawn rates are currently far to slow as it is now.
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc325/MuppetsSlayed/too_crowded.png
And you want to make this worse? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND
Ahh,too crowded you say? You know what might help there? Not having 100.000+ people on blue. Reset some people and fight for your isk making space. But,oh yeah right,that is what those changes are about.
Good work CCP,keep it coming, make the drake blob cry.
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ScrewBall
Amarr Alpha Empire ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Grml Z
Originally by: MuppetsSlayed 0.0 is already far too over crowded with the current amount of worthwhile anomolies.
Only 4 per system currently means we all need to group up. The spawn rates are currently far to slow as it is now.
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc325/MuppetsSlayed/too_crowded.png
And you want to make this worse? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND
Ahh,too crowded you say? You know what might help there? Not having 100.000+ people on blue. Reset some people and fight for your isk making space. But,oh yeah right,that is what those changes are about.
Good work CCP,keep it coming, make the drake blob cry.
What he said
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Si'ren
Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:36:00 -
[69]
I support the current dev blogs regarding the updates to 0.0, specifically with jump bridges and anomolies.
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ScheenK
Gallente Invicta.
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:54:00 -
[70]
NC and pets will surely cascade in the event that their plexs are tooken away from them, fidelas constans
do you even profit from sanctums and havens? guristas give you guys a good run for your money, check their killboard for more details!!
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Stevie EsGe
Caldari Migraine Corporation Fade 2 Black
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Posted - 2011.03.29 02:23:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Abdiel Kavash If you aren't keeping up with the dev blogs, please read the latest one, in which CCP speaks about removing all of the "good" anomalies from high truesec 0.0 systems. CCP once again shows a clear lack of understanding of game mechanics, if they think this will in any way "help" 0.0. Please comment in this thread to add your voice to the protest against this. In the past CCP has changed their mind when they see too many people are unhappy about the change.
Good call of CCP, And u immidiatly show that yer alliance is fcked when it comes ingame. Been around yer space last few days, didnt know station spinning is so much fun.
xXx
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Venetian Tar
Caldari United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.29 02:48:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Stevie EsGe
Originally by: Abdiel Kavash If you aren't keeping up with the dev blogs, please read the latest one, in which CCP speaks about removing all of the "good" anomalies from high truesec 0.0 systems. CCP once again shows a clear lack of understanding of game mechanics, if they think this will in any way "help" 0.0. Please comment in this thread to add your voice to the protest against this. In the past CCP has changed their mind when they see too many people are unhappy about the change.
Good call of CCP, And u immidiatly show that yer alliance is fcked when it comes ingame. Been around yer space last few days, didnt know station spinning is so much fun.
xXx
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fpshacker
Gallente Zor Industries Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.29 02:57:00 -
[73]
a lot of NC tears in this thread. Cry more you terrible pveing scrubs.
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momtherussiansbadtouchme
Gallente Infinite Covenant Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.29 03:19:00 -
[74]
Who is bigger at this point? the NC or the DRF? DRF has 15 regions. More then NC and CAAASEROL put together by one. Not trying to stir **** up. Just honestly asking.
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Latino lover
Minmatar SEX WITH PENYS
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Posted - 2011.03.29 04:06:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Latino lover on 29/03/2011 04:06:13 oh noes they gonna nerf farmers love carebears tears
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Bobbechk
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.29 07:37:00 -
[76]
maby OP should buy some nice systems in Delve from us ________ Licensed to post .gif on CAOD
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Ltd SpacePig
Amarr FISKL GUARDS RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.03.29 09:01:00 -
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I think this is great news :) I know this will upset a lot of the lazy 0.0 carebears that just wants to sit in a system all the time running havens and sanctums. If you want peace.. move to highsec and run mission.. 0.0 is about war and conflict not about peace and carebearing. There is just to much good space these days and that leads to a static 0.0 witch will be boring. Will this hurt NC? Yeah it will.. but it will hit the rest of us to, but its good for us.
CCP.. i know you will get a lot of screaming over this but its the right thing to do.. keep up the good work :) "Carebear gone bad" |
knobber Jobbler
Caldari Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.29 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Latino lover Edited by: Latino lover on 29/03/2011 04:06:13 oh noes they gonna nerf farmers love carebears tears
So you make your ISK how? AFAIK everyone in this game is a carebear to one degree or another. Apart from the RMT people and botters that is. Which one are you?
One of the benefits of living and fighting for 0.0 is the risk vs reward factor. This change will make high sec once again the most profitable part of space on average exluding wormholes.
Wormholes themselves need a chronic nerf. ISK income there is ridiculous.
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Spurty
Caldari V0LTA VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.29 10:46:00 -
[79]
Originally by: knobber Jobbler
One of the benefits of living and fighting for 0.0 is the risk vs reward factor. This change will make high sec once again the most profitable part of space on average exluding wormholes.
Wormholes themselves need a chronic nerf. ISK income there is ridiculous.
- HighSec moon mining is lucrative? - building capital ships in high sec is 'possible'? - asteroids in high sec produce product equally or better value?
Oh wait, you're picking your own stats to care about and ignoring the lucrative parts by comparing agent missions to what may end up being (for your system) 'constant flow' anomalies! Yawn ...
By the way:
An anomaly is any occurrence or object that is strange, unusual, or unique. It can also mean a discrepancy or deviation from an established rule, trend, or pattern.
CCP didn't delivery 'anomalies', they delivered *continuous* 'agentless' missions.
This + all of 0.0's originally planned faucets of ISK apparently is a bit higher than needed.
CCP seem think this didn't work because, instead of causing you to splinter and fight or become one alliance, you chose to become faceless numbers of blues.
Hoppit!
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knobber Jobbler
Caldari Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.29 12:16:00 -
[80]
Edited by: knobber Jobbler on 29/03/2011 12:18:29
Originally by: Spurty
Originally by: knobber Jobbler
One of the benefits of living and fighting for 0.0 is the risk vs reward factor. This change will make high sec once again the most profitable part of space on average exluding wormholes.
Wormholes themselves need a chronic nerf. ISK income there is ridiculous.
- HighSec moon mining is lucrative? - building capital ships in high sec is 'possible'? - asteroids in high sec produce product equally or better value?
Oh wait, you're picking your own stats to care about and ignoring the lucrative parts by comparing agent missions to what may end up being (for your system) 'constant flow' anomalies! Yawn ...
By the way:
An anomaly is any occurrence or object that is strange, unusual, or unique. It can also mean a discrepancy or deviation from an established rule, trend, or pattern.
CCP didn't delivery 'anomalies', they delivered *continuous* 'agentless' missions.
This + all of 0.0's originally planned faucets of ISK apparently is a bit higher than needed.
CCP seem think this didn't work because, instead of causing you to splinter and fight or become one alliance, you chose to become faceless numbers of blues.
Moon mining is a corp wide thing. It just about produces enough to sustain a system, it in no way produces enough to fit out a corporation of say 100 people who might live and defend there.
Building capital ships takes large corps and alliances. Even for 1000+ man alliance its not the easiest of enterprises. To do that you need to hold sov, to to hold sov you need ships and pilots, to get ships you need ISK. To get ISK you need an income for individual corp members.
Yes, 0.0 belts are better than high sec. So does everyone now have to become a miner to get ISK? Won't that flood the market and devalue it? Won't that cause queues for belts? Won't that have serious repurcussions in the market place? Maybe the only benefit is deadspace gear will become less common.
Apart from botters 0.0 works right now. CCP should look at Faction Warfare, low sec content, nerfing wormhole income, adding high sec content, fixing bugs, rebalancing hybrids, not ****ing around with something that works right now.
Its not like people don't come and take us faceless blues on. Recently we've had Evoke and buddies attack us twice, two wars with the DRF and PL. Its not like no action is going on in 0.0. Its just action between large groups of organised players.
More to the point, these 0.0 changes won't help new corps come to 0.0. All it might mean is crap systems become unoccupied, fill up with small/disorganised corps, they get crushed and there wrecks salvaged for extra income. The small corps that occupy these crap systems can't make money from them, enough to replace losses so go back to high sec. Who does this change help? No one.
I might eventually support some sort of changes like this, eventually. First though CCP should deal with the bot and RMT issue. Thats a source of ISK income that needs to be tackled, especially when it fund 0.0 invasions and pays for mercenary alliances. Only then should they make economic changes to EVE which affect EULA abidding players. That isn't to much to ask.
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Ripperljohn
Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.03.29 12:41:00 -
[81]
so
overall less ratting systems, which means ppl gotta share their sanctums lot's of stations in now useless areas ppl gotta learn to chain again
now why do i think that's a great change... --------------------------------------------------
"Look, we're basically on earth to **** and ****. So unless your job's to help people **** or ****, it's not that important, so relax."
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knobber Jobbler
Caldari Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.29 12:47:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Ripperljohn so
overall less ratting systems, which means ppl gotta share their sanctums lot's of stations in now useless areas ppl gotta learn to chain again
now why do i think that's a great change...
But what will it change? Short term it might mean some SOV changes hands, in the long term it means the power blocs will just live in those better systems. THis isn't a long term soluton but a short term knee jerk to Greyscales executive hardon.
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Myz Toyou
Minmatar APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2011.03.29 12:49:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Ripperljohn so
overall less ratting systems, which means ppl gotta share their sanctums lot's of stations in now useless areas ppl gotta learn to chain again
now why do i think that's a great change...
uhm, be prepared to get anry mails from your NC brosefs for not blowing the same "whine" horn.
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Ripperljohn
Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.03.29 12:54:00 -
[84]
Originally by: knobber Jobbler in the long term it means the power blocs will just live in those better systems.
yo Tech yo
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"Look, we're basically on earth to **** and ****. So unless your job's to help people **** or ****, it's not that important, so relax."
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BuckStrider
Caldari Double-Down Demolition Notice
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Posted - 2011.03.29 13:12:00 -
[85]
Originally by: knobber Jobbler
Originally by: Latino lover Edited by: Latino lover on 29/03/2011 04:06:13 oh noes they gonna nerf farmers love carebears tears
So you make your ISK how? AFAIK everyone in this game is a carebear to one degree or another. Apart from the RMT people and botters that is. Which one are you?
One of the benefits of living and fighting for 0.0 is the risk vs reward factor. This change will make high sec once again the most profitable part of space on average exluding wormholes.
Wormholes themselves need a chronic nerf. ISK income there is ridiculous.
I'll bet you never lived in a wormhole 'cause you seem to be talking out of your ass
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DeadDuck
Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.29 13:46:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Who cares eve is dying anyway
Indeed
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Latino lover
Minmatar SEX WITH PENYS
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Posted - 2011.03.29 14:21:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Latino lover on 29/03/2011 14:22:37
Originally by: knobber Jobbler
Originally by: Latino lover Edited by: Latino lover on 29/03/2011 04:06:13 oh noes they gonna nerf farmers love carebears tears
So you make your ISK how? AFAIK everyone in this game is a carebear to one degree or another. Apart from the RMT people and botters that is. Which one are you?
One of the benefits of living and fighting for 0.0 is the risk vs reward factor. This change will make high sec once again the most profitable part of space on average exluding wormholes.
Wormholes themselves need a chronic nerf. ISK income there is ridiculous.
A smart person wouldnt ask that question , there are a lots of ways to make way more isk and spend way less time then farming ...but I get for carebears this game its kinda hard...
And I love how every farmer emo raged but if they were playing since 1 year ago when they boosted the anomalies I would understand , but untill dominion how they made their isk ?:)) idiots
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DurrHurrDurr
Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.29 14:28:00 -
[88]
If sanctums die I'll just start botting. PvE is a boring pain in the ass; it's watching three gray bars turn red. Make it more of a pain and I'm just going to automate it.
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knobber Jobbler
Caldari Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.29 15:19:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Latino lover Edited by: Latino lover on 29/03/2011 14:22:37
Originally by: knobber Jobbler
Originally by: Latino lover Edited by: Latino lover on 29/03/2011 04:06:13 oh noes they gonna nerf farmers love carebears tears
So you make your ISK how? AFAIK everyone in this game is a carebear to one degree or another. Apart from the RMT people and botters that is. Which one are you?
One of the benefits of living and fighting for 0.0 is the risk vs reward factor. This change will make high sec once again the most profitable part of space on average exluding wormholes.
Wormholes themselves need a chronic nerf. ISK income there is ridiculous.
A smart person wouldnt ask that question , there are a lots of ways to make way more isk and spend way less time then farming ...but I get for carebears this game its kinda hard...
And I love how every farmer emo raged but if they were playing since 1 year ago when they boosted the anomalies I would understand , but untill dominion how they made their isk ?:)) idiots
Everyone has a carebear trade to make the ISK for PVP. I guess you must mine from your losses? I like to fly logistics ships. But I also need to make ISK within the means of the character I have.
So I can station trade (done it before, full of bots), mine (more bots, crap market unless I run half a dozen accounts), make stuff (don't have the character with the skills), do datacores (already saturated and getting a nerf), rat and do missions and I can buy and sell GTC's. If you remove a money making option people will gravitate towards others diluting that.
Now why don't you offer something constructive to this thread instead of trolling? You don't have to be a difficult.;)
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Marconus Orion
Amarr S.E.G.W.A.Y.
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Posted - 2011.03.29 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: DurrHurrDurr If sanctums die I'll just start botting. PvE is a boring pain in the ass; it's watching three gray bars turn red. Make it more of a pain and I'm just going to automate it.
Cool idle threat bro.
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El Liptonez
Caldari Trauma Ward 0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2011.03.29 15:31:00 -
[91]
Edited by: El Liptonez on 29/03/2011 15:32:56
Originally by: momtherussiansbadtouchme TLDR with that system losses of high end sites are DRF 30% loss across 15 regions PL 26% loss on one region NC 57% loss across seven regions CAAASEROL 50% loss across seven regions Nulli Secunda 33$ loss on one region DC 48% loss across 3 regions Ev0ke 93 percent loss on one region
Since PL and Ev0ke are known for constant ratting, they really should care. Wait maybe not. DRF percentage kinda shows that they didn't mindlessly drop sov and stations over all the ****tiest places humanly possible.
Edit: Also lol @ all the PVPers needing to rat for their losses. Maybe stop sucking at either making ISK or PVP.
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DurrHurrDurr
Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.29 16:28:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: DurrHurrDurr If sanctums die I'll just start botting. PvE is a boring pain in the ass; it's watching three gray bars turn red. Make it more of a pain and I'm just going to automate it.
Cool idle threat bro.
It's funny that you think I can threaten an entire company.
No, the simple fact is that if they make it too inconvenient, I'll just start botting. Precious few people enjoy mining or missioning or anomaly running or what-have-you. It's either watching numbers increase or watching three gray bars slowly turn red over and over and over.
If CCP makes what I already consider a bit of a chore more inconvenient, I'll just start botting so that I don't have to go through the effort of running around and finding anomalies.
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Dasola
Minmatar Rookies Empire Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.29 16:51:00 -
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Cant remember out of my head how small portion of player base lives in 0.0. But i cant really understandt how nerfing most 0.0 space is going to improve that.
Or maybe thats the goal, force people to go in empire since ccp devs cant fix the lag. But then again those wars will only move to highsec/lowsec systems and same lag will prevail.
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Bagehi
Caldari Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.29 17:02:00 -
[94]
Originally by: DurrHurrDurr If sanctums die I'll just start botting. PvE is a boring pain in the ass; it's watching three gray bars turn red. Make it more of a pain and I'm just going to automate it.
I'm getting the strong impression that CCP prefers botting over casual PVE. So, if they are promoting botting, then I'm clearly doing it wrong and need to conform to the game mechanics as well.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Wu Phat
Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.03.29 17:03:00 -
[95]
CCP goal of this nerf is to take ISK out of eve and some how make power blocks not interested in high security null sec.
Will the nerf take isk out of eve? Yes. Is this nerf taking isk away from the wrong player base (the people that don't bot)? Yes ! Would removing bots be better ? Yes!
Will this make large Coalitions/power blocks lesson it's grip on some regions? No
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Seraphin Foad
Caldari Bad Kitty Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.29 19:56:00 -
[96]
Already replied to the mentioned thread.
This is perfect timing, Look at all the new awesome games i can play if i dont have the isk to keep playing eve.
What i don't get about this is... We've been moaning about lag in 0.0 for a bit of time now. How do they actually expect these changes to work if alliances are lagging and crashing in the attempt to claim "more desirable systems". Thats not even looking at the fact all this is doing is hurting the average members. (Which i wont go into, since the arguements are already extensively put foward in the thread)
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DurrHurrDurr
Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.29 20:12:00 -
[97]
I get the feeling this is simply a pre-emptive nerf to H-Bot, which is currently debugging their recently introduced anomaly runner.
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Kaeh
Minmatar Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.29 20:40:00 -
[98]
Guys your looking at this all wrong here. From ccp standpoint how many people isk grind to pay for there accounts? So if they can cut this number by say 25% then that is a lot of real money in there pockets.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.03.29 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeh Guys your looking at this all wrong here. From ccp standpoint how many people isk grind to pay for there accounts? So if they can cut this number by say 25% then that is a lot of real money in there pockets.
I mean, I know its all cool to go :tinfoil: and stuff, but really, a little basic math would help you out a lot here.
If I pay CCP $15 for a time code, then you give me 360mISK for a plex, how many $ did CCP get?
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JusyFrut
Caldari Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.29 21:23:00 -
[100]
Edited by: JusyFrut on 29/03/2011 21:23:02 Correct me if im wrong but wouldnt nerfing empire level 4 missions get people in the lower sec status systems? furthermore i do have to mention that im terrible at this game and need to jew sanctums to replace lost ships and so does the most of TEST cause well, we are rather awfull.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.03.29 21:39:00 -
[101]
Originally by: JusyFrut Edited by: JusyFrut on 29/03/2011 21:23:02 Correct me if im wrong but wouldnt nerfing empire level 4 missions get people in the lower sec status systems? furthermore i do have to mention that im terrible at this game and need to jew sanctums to replace lost ships and so does the most of TEST cause well, we are rather awfull.
You're in Fountain, you'll be p. ok.
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Kaeh
Minmatar Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.29 21:53:00 -
[102]
I mean, I know its all cool to go :tinfoil: and stuff, but really, a little basic math would help you out a lot here.
If I pay CCP $15 for a time code, then you give me 360mISK for a plex, how many $ did CCP get?
Alright say 5000 accounts pay for accounts in isk but they can no longer do this so they have to use rlm to pay for said accounts.
5000 x 15 x 12 = 900,000 dollars a year ccp is making.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.03.29 21:56:00 -
[103]
Originally by: omgdutch2005 Edited by: omgdutch2005 on 26/03/2011 19:43:28 http://www.petitiononline.com/ieg2011/petition.html
stop the nerf now! vote now!
No.
Originally by: Mya ElleTerego I think ccp is 100% right, nerf anoms in crap space, buff truesec sov space, and nerf moon goo and spread it out alot more, and increase the amount available drastically to lower costs of t2 ships and dramatically increase supply compared to demand. Also nerf coalition use of jump bridge networks and titans. Alliance / corp only, also I would like to see non corp / alliance cynos not work for titan bridging. To cut down on the meta gaming hot drop ***gotry that detracts from the game.
QFT. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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Harkster
Caldari The Alpha and the Omega
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Posted - 2011.03.29 22:46:00 -
[104]
Things are working fine. Lots of conflict as is. But than again screwing up eve is what CCP likes to do and we have to adjust to a new happy place just for them to change it again.
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Wollari
Caldari Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.29 23:23:00 -
[105]
And can we get rid of static 10/10 plexes in the same patch? Would be create to get everything sorted in one go.
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DurrHurrDurr
Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.29 23:26:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Kaeh
I mean, I know its all cool to go :tinfoil: and stuff, but really, a little basic math would help you out a lot here.
If I pay CCP $15 for a time code, then you give me 360mISK for a plex, how many $ did CCP get?
Alright say 5000 accounts pay for accounts in isk but they can no longer do this so they have to use rlm to pay for said accounts.
5000 x 15 x 12 = 900,000 dollars a year ccp is making.
You're ******ed. Somebody already spent $15 on that plex.
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g0ldfinger07
Amarr Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.03.30 00:07:00 -
[107]
Thanks ccp this is the most delicious carebear teared thread i have seen in a very long time you have given them too much you should take it away you have done it over and over to us pvprs.
Show the careabears your nerf bat is non bias and justified all these anoms and crap have made pvp soo dull it gave birth to having to awox to get carebears in there safety net. Null sec is supposed to be dangerous and its risk v isk as what eve has always stood for.
i say **** em and nerf it they are 90% worthless players that cant fit a drake right and deserve to diaf and go back to wow because thats where they belong.
Youve made null sec s*** since dominion its only right you do something to get rid of these disgusting creatures They will either adapt and survive or they wont they arent worthy of your fantastic game if they think the only way to achieve wealth is having as easy as anoms deliver it I say if you want to keep anoms make all the frigs/cruisers/battleships point the ship inside the anom.
As you have handed everything a carebear they could want you can do the same for all us pvprs.
Its still a great game if you decide you want to play on the basis of how you can carebear without any risk in null sec you should gtfo anyway.
P.S. CCP doesnt care about your bots.
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Sephiroth CloneVII
Amarr Vitriol Ventures United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.30 00:08:00 -
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To the not so bright enemy's of the NC championing this new change who are in evoke and NCdot, do you realize that with the changes being made you and your members will have to work that much more for isk, as I recall you are in former CVA space. How will paying sov bills for all the stations in some of the worst true sec space around go, how will the funds be for any incursion you plan into NC space. How will hunting targets for roams be if the lot of residents in the poor true sec areas of the north go away (which is, statistically allot of it), and you are faced with long tracts empty deserts of space.
As it is, you will, have to run allot of level 4s for pay for bills in the worst space in the universe, and to run l88t fleet opps into the north. Have fun.
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Piter 'De'Vries
Gallente Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2011.03.30 00:38:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Piter ''De''Vries on 30/03/2011 00:41:02 getting rid of the greedy bastards finally ccp. thanks.... :)
pew pew pew pe "cough cough"
this thread lacks more whining..
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Dawn Harbinger
Amarr Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.30 01:30:00 -
[110]
Originally by: DurrHurrDurr If sanctums die I'll just start botting.
Wow dude, just wow. You sir, are a disgrace to this game and community
So many carebears, so much whine.
Now people can't sit in their mega coalitions and rake in mountains of isk. Boohoo. Not everyone cares about making billions of isk by farming anoms and somehow still manage to pvp every day.
Nerf bat wish list item #2: moons
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DurrHurrDurr
Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.30 01:31:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Dawn Harbinger
Originally by: DurrHurrDurr If sanctums die I'll just start botting.
Wow dude, just wow. You sir, are a disgrace to this game and community
So many carebears, so much whine.
Now people can't sit in their mega coalitions and rake in mountains of isk. Boohoo. Not everyone cares about making billions of isk by farming anoms and somehow still manage to pvp every day.
Nerf bat wish list item #2: moons
:dealwithit: nerd. I don't wanna jew for like two hours to get a single battleship. That's butts.
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Dawn Harbinger
Amarr Corp 54 Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.30 01:35:00 -
[112]
Originally by: DurrHurrDurr
Originally by: Dawn Harbinger
Originally by: DurrHurrDurr If sanctums die I'll just start botting.
Wow dude, just wow. You sir, are a disgrace to this game and community
So many carebears, so much whine.
Now people can't sit in their mega coalitions and rake in mountains of isk. Boohoo. Not everyone cares about making billions of isk by farming anoms and somehow still manage to pvp every day.
Nerf bat wish list item #2: moons
:dealwithit: nerd. I don't wanna jew for like two hours to get a single battleship. That's butts.
Wow, you replied within 1 minute, using a racial epithet as well. Congratulations.
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Piter 'De'Vries
Gallente Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2011.03.30 01:48:00 -
[113]
his alliance is getting butt hurted by this change, alongside his coalition of bears.
bat wishlist #2 moons, for sure.
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Soldarius
Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.30 03:41:00 -
[114]
Deklein is looking pretty good right now. Fountain isn't too bad either. I don't think TEST is gonna be hurting for anoms any time soon.
Originally by: CCP Shadow ...I cannot guarantee (my) sobriety or decency.
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Lykouleon
Gallente Bad Kitty Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.30 04:41:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Dawn Harbinger So many carebears, so much whine.
You're in CVA
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Ripperljohn
Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.03.30 04:56:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Lykouleon
Originally by: Dawn Harbinger So many carebears, so much whine.
You're in WI.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.03.30 05:11:00 -
[117]
Ironically CVA are actually a lot better at PvP than WI. is, fought for their space originally, and when they reclaimed a little of it back, and also actually defended their space. Who's the carebears again? ---
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Myz Toyou
Minmatar APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2011.03.30 05:15:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Myz Toyou on 30/03/2011 05:15:26
Originally by: Ripperljohn
Originally by: Lykouleon So many carebears, so much whine.
We're in the NC
:irony:
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gr ant
Caldari NerdHerd RED Citizens
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Posted - 2011.03.30 08:11:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Sephiroth CloneVII Edited by: Sephiroth CloneVII on 26/03/2011 18:32:13
CCP doesn't like NC, and wants it to start shooting itself.
This wouldn't kill the NC, the NC doesnt soley rely on Anoms, tehy got the moongoo, This wouldnt destabalize huge coalitions, why turn on the guy who gives you a Titan when you lose one.
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Archetype 66
Caldari Pleasure and Pain R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.30 08:31:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Razzor Death I don't know how to break this to you buddy but CCP are literally **** and every change they make to 0.0 only ever further demonstrates how out of touch with the game they are.
Out of touch with the game they made ?? Are you serious ?
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zos23
Gallente Spricer
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Posted - 2011.03.30 11:01:00 -
[121]
Look at all them NC carebears whining in this thread. Delicious.
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Latino lover
Minmatar SEX WITH PENYS
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Posted - 2011.03.30 13:03:00 -
[122]
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1103/Carebears_rage_00000.jpg
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silent uk
Amarr Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.03.30 14:03:00 -
[123]
Edited by: silent uk on 30/03/2011 14:03:41 Come on guys, its got nothing to do with RATs, or hurting anyones wallets, this whole thing is a solution to... the blob.
See 0.0 will be so devalued and pointless, that players will simply go back to empire, maybe low sec to do incursions, so there will be less people in 0.0, and with less in 0.0, the blob will get smaller.
Yep, gotta hand it to CCP, this certainly will beat the blob.
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CCP Adida
Gallente C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.30 15:20:00 -
[124]
trolling post removed
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Bagehi
Caldari Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.30 18:34:00 -
[125]
Originally by: silent uk Yep, gotta hand it to CCP, this certainly will beat the blob.
I've heard there are PVP bots to solve that.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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D'murr Pilru
Amarr Tz Industries RED Citizens
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Posted - 2011.03.30 19:39:00 -
[126]
Edited by: D''murr Pilru on 30/03/2011 19:40:23 this game is fuked up and this is the first sign of apoclypse EVE is going down. Next you will see the SHOP and after that F2P!!! You want more isk? no problem buy from eve shop a card for 15 days that Will double your boounty!!! Feel like owned at pvp? no problem buy skill points from EVE SHOP NOW!!! and own the bastard... Really CCP check out the list of dead mmorpg's and buy a place there NOW its AT shop!!!
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lisa herrick
Minmatar 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:04:00 -
[127]
doesnt look like too many peaople are infact against this change, either from this or other posts.
i think this is a great change, but dont let that stop you all from bearing arms.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.03.31 15:09:00 -
[128]
Originally by: D'murr Pilru Edited by: D''murr Pilru on 30/03/2011 19:40:23 this game is fuked up and this is the first sign of apoclypse EVE is going down. Next you will see the SHOP and after that F2P!!! You want more isk? no problem buy from eve shop a card for 15 days that Will double your boounty!!! Feel like owned at pvp? no problem buy skill points from EVE SHOP NOW!!! and own the bastard... Really CCP check out the list of dead mmorpg's and buy a place there NOW its AT shop!!!
Get a better translator or English teacher before you try to tell us(And CCP) that the apocalypse is coming, buying SP for ISK is coming and F2P is coming. This nerf is fine and much needed, let the carebears whine all they want. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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Mr Peanut420
Caldari Therapy. R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:51:00 -
[129]
Don't be fooled, many many people are against this change. Many alliances put a lot of resources into developing space that anoms made worth while. This was CCPs stated intention, to populate 0.0. Now CCP is going to go and change the rules and make those investments worthless. That is going to seriously harm the integrity of the game and drive people away.
The casual pvper does not get moon goo or tax money or anything. They rat for their isk and pay real money for their accounts. They can't take space or start wars, only people with supercaps can do that. All they do is find another game, cause this one became too annoying.
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Marconus Orion
Amarr S.E.G.W.A.Y.
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Posted - 2011.03.31 20:23:00 -
[130]
Here you go guys. It will be all right.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.03.31 20:31:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Mr Peanut420 Don't be fooled, many many people are against this change. Many alliances put a lot of resources into developing space that anoms made worth while. This was CCPs stated intention, to populate 0.0. Now CCP is going to go and change the rules and make those investments worthless. That is going to seriously harm the integrity of the game and drive people away.
The casual pvper does not get moon goo or tax money or anything. They rat for their isk and pay real money for their accounts. They can't take space or start wars, only people with supercaps can do that. All they do is find another game, cause this one became too annoying.
As long as they give me all their stuff before they leave, I am all for it. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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DurrHurrDurr
Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.31 21:15:00 -
[132]
Excuse me while my alliance moves into a -1.00 belt region and bots until the end of time.
Ahahaha, oh wait, we already did that. Have fun anyone who's not in Venal/Delve/Fountain/Curse/Stain.
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Lt banaan
Amarr Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.31 21:43:00 -
[133]
Probably most of the ones that agree with this change are high sec mission runners or low sec pirates, or people that are allready in true 0.0 sec systems, ccp is doing his best to reduce lag by making people quit playing with these dumb changes. it makes no sense what so ever to do this, just make those systems with better plexes or so but leave anoms as it is.
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Kastio Delago
Amarr The Program Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.31 21:43:00 -
[134]
I think the proposed change is a good thing.
0.0 space used to be battle hardened vets looking for epic fights and for the most part being satisfied even if they lost because it was good fun. Now DRF bots their boats, NC can call forth 1000 man blobs via gold plated jump bridges fueled by moon goo, cloaked AFKers can shut down an entire system of ratters, PLDDOSTSWTFPWN spai, and any alliance can throw a dot at the end of their name and with the help of a few supercaps, take over entire regions.
CCP made changes to 0.0 to bring players to this inhospitable area and give them a fighting chance but they failed to comprehend that by applying the easy button to the situation, they've created a monster. Players might not like it but CCP is going to nerf things in this game because the players are forcing CCP's hand.
We want 1000 man fleet battles with no lag.
CCP can't deliver and their solution is to cut off the supply of isk to the average player so they are less likely to join a 1000 man lagfest in 0.0 space.
Ask any player from 06 and younger what it was like to lose your PVP ship (you brought T2 MODS?!? are you ****ing nuts!?!) in a battle and how hard you had to work to get that back. I say nerf it, nerf it all. Then we'll see.... |
DurrHurrDurr
Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.31 21:45:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Kastio Delago I think the proposed change is a good thing.
0.0 space used to be battle hardened vets looking for epic fights and for the most part being satisfied even if they lost because it was good fun. Now DRF bots their boats, NC can call forth 1000 man blobs via gold plated jump bridges fueled by moon goo, cloaked AFKers can shut down an entire system of ratters, PLDDOSTSWTFPWN spai, and any alliance can throw a dot at the end of their name and with the help of a few supercaps, take over entire regions.
CCP made changes to 0.0 to bring players to this inhospitable area and give them a fighting chance but they failed to comprehend that by applying the easy button to the situation, they've created a monster. Players might not like it but CCP is going to nerf things in this game because the players are forcing CCP's hand.
We want 1000 man fleet battles with no lag.
CCP can't deliver and their solution is to cut off the supply of isk to the average player so they are less likely to join a 1000 man lagfest in 0.0 space.
Ask any player from 06 and younger what it was like to lose your PVP ship (you brought T2 MODS?!? are you ****ing nuts!?!) in a battle and how hard you had to work to get that back. I say nerf it, nerf it all. Then we'll see....
It's a good thing TEST/GSF/TNT/GENTS/FA/etc etc etc reimburse PVP losses then; that's a huge ISK loss on the average pilot's part to decide to PVP, it sure is.
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Lt banaan
Amarr Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.31 21:49:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Lt banaan on 31/03/2011 21:49:39
Originally by: Kastio Delago I think the proposed change is a good thing.
0.0 space used to be battle hardened vets looking for epic fights and for the most part being satisfied even if they lost because it was good fun. Now DRF bots their boats, NC can call forth 1000 man blobs via gold plated jump bridges fueled by moon goo, cloaked AFKers can shut down an entire system of ratters, PLDDOSTSWTFPWN spai, and any alliance can throw a dot at the end of their name and with the help of a few supercaps, take over entire regions.
CCP made changes to 0.0 to bring players to this inhospitable area and give them a fighting chance but they failed to comprehend that by applying the easy button to the situation, they've created a monster. Players might not like it but CCP is going to nerf things in this game because the players are forcing CCP's hand.
We want 1000 man fleet battles with no lag.
CCP can't deliver and their solution is to cut off the supply of isk to the average player so they are less likely to join a 1000 man lagfest in 0.0 space.
Ask any player from 06 and younger what it was like to lose your PVP ship (you brought T2 MODS?!? are you ****ing nuts!?!) in a battle and how hard you had to work to get that back. I say nerf it, nerf it all. Then we'll see....
Nah their solution is to cut peoples incom to support losses and/or get other type of ships to make people not beeing able to join fleets, get bored and quit the game wich result in reduction of lag since people stop playing eve.
edit: and to pay for gametime plex ofc wich ccp wants real money for apparantly
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Sephiroth CloneVII
Amarr Vitriol Ventures United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.31 23:56:00 -
[137]
Edited by: Sephiroth CloneVII on 31/03/2011 23:58:03 Null sec should be able to accommodate more not less, not just those who are l88t, but the multitudes of many who want to be part of factions and space which is player driven.
That's the big thing that makes eve different from other mmo's look at the sov maps, large share (majority) of space is held by players. Contrast with the WOW or nearly any other game, two linear factions own all the land, and none changes hands. The truly important reputation and power you get in eve is bestowed by no NPC, but other players.
The end game content of low and more so null sec space (which takes effort and organization to hold, can be more dangerous) should have higher rewards, defiantly then level 4's in empire. As it is, its mildly better, as it planned it would get worse and be able to sustain less people.
About the chaining belts.... How many in a system can be sustained by ratting belts, the average amount of belts in any given system can sustain probably only one or two people doing it at same time, will their be wait-lists or much twiddling of thumbs, wishing one had the skills to mine so they could make much less then those in empire with level 4's? Would a mere corp of 75 players with 10-20 at any given time need to have 5 whole systems exclusively their own in the lower of lame-sec to churn a decent profit? System number in nullsec is quite finite, and the numbers of players is in many thousands, hundreds of thousands in the game altogether.
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Myb
Minmatar V0LTA VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.01 08:36:00 -
[138]
All your tears, it makes me happy.. u where fat enough before sanctums/havens.
I read NC mails trying to get people to 'rally' behind this protest.. your all pathetic..
its far 2 easy to make isk in 0.0 now and without any futher dangers, a local delay or something to make it less comfertable in 0.0 is needed.
Down with the fat bears and NC and botz
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Mr Peanut420
Caldari Therapy. R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.01 10:41:00 -
[139]
I don't get why all the gank corps think 0.0 residents moving from anoms to lvl 4 missions in empire is going to be more fun for them.
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Myz Toyou
Minmatar APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2011.04.01 10:51:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Mr Peanut420 I don't get why all the gank corps think 0.0 residents moving from anoms to lvl 4 missions in empire is going to be more fun for them.
Because suicide ganking your pimpmobile in Motsu will be awsum
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.04.01 11:04:00 -
[141]
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Sidzo
Minmatar SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2011.04.01 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sidzo on 01/04/2011 11:14:09 United Front Ally have 5000 membres ( read as carebears ) They paying RZR for rent, so no isk = no space 80% of BFF paying for their space
Originally by: zos23 Look at all them NC carebears whining in this thread. Delicious.
AGREE
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Zhula Guixgrixks
Gallente Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Thukker Tribe Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.04.01 12:25:00 -
[143]
Good move CCP. popcorn
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Elles Eye
Gallente LoneStar Industries Comatose Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.01 12:55:00 -
[144]
Will mining also be messed with? So less true sec, less asteroids in the upgraded belts?
Being one of the high sec dwellers you look down upon, I dont like the changes either, as it will drive players out of 0.0 again, and into my mission systems, but it doesnt hurt me, as I can get my ISK from lvl4 missions without all this CTA interruptions and roaming gangs anyway.
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Ander
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.01 14:34:00 -
[145]
Good move. Finally we'll see some reason for powerblocks to break up and fight for the best turf.
<3 this change
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OninoTimmo
Minmatar ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.01 16:45:00 -
[146]
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Bagehi
Caldari Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.01 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ander Good move. Finally we'll see some reason for powerblocks to break up and fight for the best turf.
<3 this change
You mean like they didn't before these were added?
You mean like they didn't before jump bridges?
You mean like they didn't before titans?
Rolling back changes isn't going to fix the problem because the problem existed before the changes.
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Sephiroth CloneIIV
Gallente Vitriol Ventures United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.01 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sidzo Edited by: Sidzo on 01/04/2011 11:14:09 United Front Ally have 5000 membres ( read as carebears ) They paying RZR for rent, so no isk = no space 80% of BFF paying for their space
Originally by: zos23 Look at all them NC carebears whining in this thread. Delicious.
AGREE
Well that be the point of dominion changes, to try and get more people in null sec. If ccp's goal is to make empire more lucrative then I say they succeed in changes, if their idea is to bring new people into nullsec, then these recent proposed changes are fail that undo any progress made.
As it is said, the people who like the changes, DONT want null sec populated. Which makes me wonder, if CCP should cater to ideas of how sovereignty held null sec should be from many who are not. Next thing you know, you have fleet warfare and lag issues the experts bringing ideas are anyone but a major null sec alliance who regularly has fleets. Bizzaro world, with bizzaro logic.
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Marconus Orion
Amarr S.E.G.W.A.Y.
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Posted - 2011.04.01 19:57:00 -
[149]
ITT: OCEANS OF QQ
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Capricorn 0ne
Caldari Heaven's Army Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.04.01 21:19:00 -
[150]
Meh it's a vidya game RUST GSBG 2LGT2QT |
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DurrHurrDurr
Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.02 00:23:00 -
[151]
Well, at least H-Bot's a $40 one time fee.
Hello asteroid belts.
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Sovox
Amarr Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.02 01:07:00 -
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Edited by: Sovox on 02/04/2011 01:41:15
So much NC hate here! And you really think it matters or will hurt us in any shape or form? Like we have never adapted to any nerf or change in EVE before..
All this nerf does is hurt the younger players and newer alliances or people who do not have the patience to scan down a plex here and there.
Sure i do anoms once in while while getting drunk listening to music or talking on the phone but considering that one can find at a very casual pace i might add, up to 3 to 5, 6/10, 8/10 a month generating 2 billion to 5 billion a month depending on loot. I would say thats more than enough to pay for plex cards and PVP including the nice SRP most NC corps provide. The anoms mean jack to most of us older players, and one would have to run about 40 to 60 sanctums a month (Yuck!!) vrs casual scanning.
So like i said all that will suffer is the younger players still trying to build an isk bank roll and progress or just keep up with pvp costs but do not have the skills or knowledge about scanning. So hats off to CCP who will have removed the artificial isk barrier between rich old players and Alliance's to the new poor players and new alliances and create a real barrier. I am sure that will have a positive effect on EVE.
Funny to see all the haters who want the moon goo more spread out though cause apparently they don't know where it is and need CCP to give them a moon, and yet CCP needs to to try to invent more reasons to have wars. Try removing Paying rent to Concord for sov space for starters. Whats the point of taking space when after the sov war you are wondering who actually won cause now you are stuck paying for junk space you don't want. IRC and others live in 0,0 cause of this!!
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g0ldfinger07
Amarr Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.04.02 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Peanut420 Don't be fooled, many many people are against this change. Many alliances put a lot of resources into developing space that anoms made worth while. This was CCPs stated intention, to populate 0.0. Now CCP is going to go and change the rules and make those investments worthless. That is going to seriously harm the integrity of the game and drive people away.
The casual pvper does not get moon goo or tax money or anything. They rat for their isk and pay real money for their accounts. They can't take space or start wars, only people with supercaps can do that. All they do is find another game, cause this one became too annoying.
The only people against this are worthless carebears that think pvp in eve= point and click and fly their **** drakes.
I for one fully endorse and support this change and why is there all this whine like people didn't live in null sec pre dominion i for one have lived and prospered in eve for the longest time. there is soo many ways to make isk beyond ratting.
Your all just a bunch of wow players that think the only way to make ingame currency is to grind. or maybe you dont want to make an alt to create isk. A vast majority of pvprs do this its just the nature of the beast. You wont be missed if you live null sec go and live eve ccp will not care dont you know living in null sec means you are the minority of this game ccp left us a long time ago.
Welcome to eve kick rocks if you dont like a tough game.
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Mr Peanut420
Caldari Therapy. R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.02 23:25:00 -
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Those other ways to make isk have always been there and they just can't support the numbers that we now see in weak truesec regions. They were ghosttowns compared to what they are now. Bait and switch I say.
As for that hateful elitest stuff...not becoming of gentleman or a bff (good job ccp its already working on one guy).
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GambbiT
Gallente ROMANIA Renegades ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.04.02 23:44:00 -
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well probably some alliance will loose renters, drone region wont be affected bots will still rule in belts. but hey we can all join NC, nice and warm there , bff forever and we gone be smack by the rest of the 15% eve null sec . o well ccp sucks time after time again and again and again and again and again and again and again, and we still PAY for our subscritions.they probably get lots of laughs reading this forum , " hey ccp something look at the fouls crying on the forums hahhahaahahha "
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Justin Cody
Caldari Instant Annihilation Everto Rex Regis
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Posted - 2011.04.03 08:23:00 -
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I have an idea....wait nevermind. WHAT'S THE POINT OF UPGRADES IF THEY DON'T UPGRADE CCP. The upgrades cost me the same whether they give me super-silver-ponies-in-space sanctums, or dark brow poo hubs. so now I get to spend the SAME isk as any of the better true sec areas for less value derived. awww gee.
Maybe you can manipulate the true sec to make up for this. or maybe you'll just tear apart the one thing small alliances had going for them. good jorb you made the big guys bigger. This reminds me of what happens when govts pass more 'regulation' for your benefit but are really putting the screws to your ability to stay in business so the big guys will keep donating campaign cash.
nice...corporate syndicalism writ large in space. Remind people that profit is the difference between revenue and expense. This makes you look smart. Scott Adams
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boo3916
Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.04.03 08:38:00 -
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I LOVE ALL THESE CAREBEAR TEARS, CRY SOME MORE
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Beowulff Schaefer
Amarr Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.03 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Beowulff Schaefer on 03/04/2011 15:58:25
Originally by: g0ldfinger07 there is soo many ways to make isk beyond ratting.
I hate to destroy your child-like innocence but ... there may be a lot of ways to make isk but there are not many ways to create ISK. Mission rewards. Selling to NPC merchant buy orders. Ratting. Everything else is just taking money from players who got it from other players who ..... got it from mission rewards, selling to NPC merchant buy orders or (you guessed it) ratting.
CCP surely has the data to speak definitively on how much of the universe wide ISK creation comes from 0.0 anoms vs. the other sources. IMO the first and biggest change this will be deflation. Even if the number of cash generating anoms remains constant, the ability to shut those down anoms with AFK cloakers is going to go up, so this change will lower ISK production from anoms and I think that's going to create a deflationary period. PLEX will sell for less. Minerals will sell for less. Prices will come down.
We will see.
I think there's very little chance that CCP gets what they want out of this change. The issue with 'lack of serious SOV warfare' has little to do with incentive -- people love blowing each other up and taking their toys -- and everything to do with the defender getting almost unilateral control of engagement timing.
As someone else posted, this change really just makes 0.0 smaller and that's going to have the effect of raising the barrier to entry to 0.0.
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Spazz21
Amarr Angha
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Posted - 2011.04.03 18:00:00 -
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This kills casual gaming, you won't be able to log in, rat a bit and make some money. Then spend said money on ships to blow up until your ship blows up.
Maybe we should just boycott selling stuff in empire and all null alliances blue to each other. I know it sounds impossible, but it'll be a good way of saying **** You to CCP for not listening to what the players want.
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SmashTech
Minmatar Sigillum Militum Xpisti Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.04.03 18:20:00 -
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HELLO WE ARE CCP WE HAVE BRILLIANT PLAN TO DRIVE PLAYERS BACK TO LEVEL 4 MISSIONING IN HIGHSEC WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR IT WELL HERE IT IS NO THERE WILL NOT BE ANY DISCUSSION OF IT WE ARE IMPLEMENTING IT APRIL 5TH HAVE A NICE DAY THANK YOU COME AGAIN
Good god I hate you CCP. Not bothering to resub this alt account. Probs not gonna bother with the main either once Incarna turns out to be as terrible as I'm betting it will be.
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Chaosmancer
Caldari Missions Mining and Mayhem Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.04.03 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Spazz21 This kills casual gaming, you won't be able to log in, rat a bit and make some money. Then spend said money on ships to blow up until your ship blows up.
Maybe we should just boycott selling stuff in empire and all null alliances blue to each other. I know it sounds impossible, but it'll be a good way of saying **** You to CCP for not listening to what the players want.
Yes, because CCP is removing all anomalies and all missions... Way to overreact pal. But go ahead, unsub and send CCP a message! it's amazing you've stayed this long with the crappy pve mechanics since it's evidently the only thing about eve you enjoy.
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Spazz21
Amarr Angha
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Posted - 2011.04.03 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Chaosmancer
Originally by: Spazz21 This kills casual gaming, you won't be able to log in, rat a bit and make some money. Then spend said money on ships to blow up until your ship blows up.
Maybe we should just boycott selling stuff in empire and all null alliances blue to each other. I know it sounds impossible, but it'll be a good way of saying **** You to CCP for not listening to what the players want.
Yes, because CCP is removing all anomalies and all missions... Way to overreact pal. But go ahead, unsub and send CCP a message! it's amazing you've stayed this long with the crappy pve mechanics since it's evidently the only thing about eve you enjoy.
Lol silly troll. Don't remember saying anything about quitting or removing anything. Just the fact that CCP is taking a nice hot dump on the players. Maybe you should pull your thumb out your ass and Learn to read? Greaaaat... Thhaaannnkkss.
Oh, and rage moar plaze, it brings me great pleasure knowing you have nothing better to do but ***** at people on the interwebz.
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JerseyBOI 2
Gallente Pod Liberation Authority
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Posted - 2011.04.03 21:47:00 -
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NERF JUMP BRIDGES FOR 2011! [url=http://huzzahfed.com/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=22939] [/url] |
B0k Ch0i
Gallente Real Nice And Laidback Corporation Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.04 05:34:00 -
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Expected consequences
* Some alliances will immediately start wanting to look for better space
As if they aren't already...
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* In the longer run, there'll be more conflicts going on, with more localized goals
huh... , did you ever hear of strategy? Or are you expecting a bunch of r-tards to immediately invade -0.0, without support or logistics? Oh wait, i guess the coalitions are supposed to break up into a bunch of squabbling rat packs over a single true sec system...
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* Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec
I don't think the current owners are going to take that very well...
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* Coalitions will be marginally less stable
The key word here is "marginal," coalitions are based on the benefits of teamwork, which will be enhanced by the restrictions placed on the younger players through the nerf. (And it is a nerf with a happy face, you know it is...)
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* Alliances will have to choose more carefully what space they develop, where their staging systems are, and so on (low truesec systems generally tend to be in strategically inconvenient places)
err... strategically inconvenient, uh... doesn't that make the strategically convenient 0.0 even more desirable (in order to setup the logistics to the good stuff)? I doubt that the Red alliances are gonna stop wanting geminate so they can focus on "strategically inconvenient" truesec...
This is just gibberish put forward as justification for a pure nerf...
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Chaosmancer
Caldari Missions Mining and Mayhem Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.04.04 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Spazz21
Originally by: Chaosmancer
Originally by: Spazz21 This kills casual gaming, you won't be able to log in, rat a bit and make some money. Then spend said money on ships to blow up until your ship blows up.
Maybe we should just boycott selling stuff in empire and all null alliances blue to each other. I know it sounds impossible, but it'll be a good way of saying **** You to CCP for not listening to what the players want.
Yes, because CCP is removing all anomalies and all missions... Way to overreact pal. But go ahead, unsub and send CCP a message! it's amazing you've stayed this long with the crappy pve mechanics since it's evidently the only thing about eve you enjoy.
Lol silly troll. Don't remember saying anything about quitting or removing anything. Just the fact that CCP is taking a nice hot dump on the players. Maybe you should pull your thumb out your ass and Learn to read? Greaaaat... Thhaaannnkkss.
Oh, and rage moar plaze, it brings me great pleasure knowing you have nothing better to do but ***** at people on the interwebz.
Look at you raging <3
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Lancard
Caldari Endless Destruction Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.04.04 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Greyscale Expected consequences
* Some alliances will immediately start wanting to look for better space * In the longer run, there'll be more conflicts going on, with more localized goals * Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec * Coalitions will be marginally less stable * Alliances will have to choose more carefully what space they develop, where their staging systems are, and so on (low truesec systems generally tend to be in strategically inconvenient places) http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=883
I oppose the anomaly nerf....
...simply because this change will provide less incentive for players to be in 0.0 which will most likely cause population deflation of sov null-sec. Additionally, it seems that having 'more conflicts' could be better achieved by spawning the BPCs/parts/etc for the next new FTOM ship in a few, select regions (kinda like why ppl go to WHs to farm T3 ships/ISK and will POS bash over preferred WHs).
Thus this change seems like eve is taking 1 step forward (which is creating more conflict, if any) and 10 steps back (most likely significantly deflating sov null-sec).
tl;dr version: I like boobies
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g0ldfinger07
Amarr Nexus.6
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Posted - 2011.04.04 14:10:00 -
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All your tears belong to ccp.
Brace yourself you horrible null sec leeches the nerf bat is coming enjoy hope all you whiny carebears run screaming back to high sec and dropping all ur shiny stuff out your poop tube.
As far as being booted out of mihi that's hardly the case with all the swinging ccp is bout to d with the nerf bat I'm going back to small gang pvp as I enjoy nothing more than licking your carebear tears after popping your ship you spent hours and hours wow style grinding to get
And to the other gentlemen sure you can speculate on what does what to this market in this game but little do you know just like in r.l a few hold the mass majority of the wealth and can dictate the flux of the market. I've made billions off of pvp suprise carebear it happens.
I've made billions building t2 mods abd I've made billions building capitals. So as far as saying that the market will suck because your no longer gonna be handed 95% risk free isk is silly the market was lower before anoms so with less demand=more supply or don't you understand fundamental econmics.
See ya in space cowboy G0ldfinger07
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Svetlanna
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.04.04 14:52:00 -
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CCP marketing approach: FOOD for the masses = more $$$. It use to be a 3* gastronomic restaurant, it is turning into a bad junk food chain.
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TommyMc88
Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.04.04 15:27:00 -
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This really is a terrible 0.0 idea. Got to say it, the points which CCP make that it will be good in the long term are the points that I can see make it fail.
Make coalitions less stable. I guess the idea is to make some fail, the major ones won't fail they are far too stable for that. And you can't fault them for that.
Make it easier for smaller alliance to get a foothold in nullsec... how? Like what the **** are they gonna do? Take some crappy system that makes them no isk, then fail and go back to highsec? Try take a good truesec then get some angry bigger alliance **** face them because they have too many crappy systems for their members to make no isk.
If you guys(CCP) have taught this through very clearly you need better people thinking it out, eg: the playerbase. Because that really is the worst idea I've ever heard of.
/end rant. Cop on CCP.
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Si'ren
Caldari Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.04.04 15:36:00 -
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Guys, come-on.. Just start belt-ratting like the old days and stop crying. If you're mad about not making as much isk maybe you should ask your alliance leaders to share some of that sweet, sweet tech profit with the lower-class fodder.
Just a thought.
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Graham Bauval
Caldari Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.04.04 15:49:00 -
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They just want to make it easier for DUST 514 players to be able to actually fight other players and not just NPC's...yea I said "DUST 514" [url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=graham%20Bauval][img]http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/signature.php/string,graham%20Bauval/tpl,caldari/signature.png[ |
ed jeni
Caldari SKULLDOGS RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.04.04 16:27:00 -
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well in a world of bad ideas this is one of the worst to come from CCP in quite a while. there are a lot of rants (and yes tears too) in this thread which seem politically motivated but perhaps keeping on the subject is more productive.
as was said by others, everyone in EVE is a carebear from time to time, myself and my fellow corpies run sanctums to earn ship tokens to spend on pvp, now we all have lives and the time we spend in eve (for us) is split 50/50 earning isk then blowing it up on pvp giggles.
with this nerf we will have to change our time to 70/30 earning isk/blowing stuff up.
i am pretty sure a bunch of our pilots will head back to hi-sec as at least there they can run lvl 4's to earn isk and find what hi-sec pvp they can. the rest will stay and be unhappy with the situation.
"go find better space" well as a small corp that just aint gonna happen with so many large corp/alliances looking for the most lucrative systems. so this will leave 0.0 to the larger corps while the small guys run to hi-sec to better fill their wallets doing lv 4's
generally this will lead to many small 0.0 corps either folding, or quitting, now we can all see this, its as plain as day, so why would CCP do such a thing?
well the reason i think is that players are left with a choice, leave 0.0 with its risks/rewards and enjoyment or buy a few plex/GTC to replace the isk income they have lost, win/win for CCP.
or look to running a few bots to replace lost income, not ideal but when faced with the permaban or do i quit because my patience is running out, there are a hundred things wrong with EVE currently that as a player base we have constantly asked to be resolved CCP say they listen to the players, well why then do we have a hundred outstanding problems that need fixing and CCP come up with a 0.0 nerf? perhaps fix things like hybrids/balance moon goo/lag/gui/mkt problems etc etc before handing us this problem to fix somthing that really wasnt broke, nice one CCP truly listening to the players !
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knobber Jobbler
Caldari Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.04.04 16:38:00 -
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I don't think anyone will leave 0.0, or be forced to. It might mean less new corps go to 0.0 if there is less money to be made.
After all, you have to have ISK to PVP and bounties are one of the sole things in EVE, apart from missions that inject ISK into the economy. Everything else is just recycling ISK. That officer mod found in a Sanctum thats sold to a high sec carebear is just ISK recycling, not adding new ISK to the economy.
Its certainly a kick in the nuts to single account players like myself who have to balance EVE with real life and have little desire to ever do carebearing. I'll just end up buying more GTC's to sell. I just hope the price doesn't drop!
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TommyMc88
Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.04.04 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: knobber Jobbler I don't think anyone will leave 0.0, or be forced to. It might mean less new corps go to 0.0 if there is less money to be made.
After all, you have to have ISK to PVP and bounties are one of the sole things in EVE, apart from missions that inject ISK into the economy. Everything else is just recycling ISK. That officer mod found in a Sanctum thats sold to a high sec carebear is just ISK recycling, not adding new ISK to the economy.
Its certainly a kick in the nuts to single account players like myself who have to balance EVE with real life and have little desire to ever do carebearing. I'll just end up buying more GTC's to sell. I just hope the price doesn't drop!
I guess CCP gets what they are after then.
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Nuramori
Amarr Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.04.04 17:02:00 -
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I've read a large number of the posts on this thread but haven't seen anyone note that the nerf is for ccp's benefit, not to make eve more interesting. Many people have more than one account, using one to make isk, but thats usually to pay for gtcs and play for free on all their accounts
The change is likely to make isk generation less for players and force people to pay for accounts rather than just isk mine and not put real money in CCP's coffers. someone should redo an excel sheet to see if the changes break the threshold of monthly isk generation vs market value of gtc/plex to cover a minimum of two toons. .
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Xolax Castle
Minmatar F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2011.04.04 17:24:00 -
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I remember a time where you could go on a roam and know you were going to run into Ravens ratting in belts... THAT TIME IS BACK!
1st: CCP is just responding to my petition on moving carebears out of the bunkers and back into the line of fire! Glad to know you listen CCP!
2nd: They are nerfing Drakes and restoring the endangered Raven back into its natural habitat! Where they can florish again being hunted by the average solo roamer!
So all the carebears that have been building up isk... its time to go back to high sec where you can be safe running level 4's. Prepair for the AFK cloakers to take flight once again on a true sec system near you!
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Wu Phat
Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.04.04 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Wu Phat on 04/04/2011 18:14:17
Originally by: TommyMc88 This really is a terrible 0.0 idea. Got to say it, the points which CCP make that it will be good in the long term are the points that I can see make it fail.
Make it easier for smaller alliance to get a foothold in nullsec... how? Like what the **** are they gonna do? Take some crappy system that makes them no isk, then fail and go back to highsec? Try take a good truesec then get some angry bigger alliance **** face them because they have too many crappy systems for their members to make no isk.
+10 Three things should happen with this nerf.
All the carebears leave and go back to high sec or migrate to alliances or corps with better true sec areas.
Stop or slow Power blocks renter income in poor true sec areas.
Take more money out of eve, effectively making you buy more plex or bot for the quick buck.
Also like he said above, I don't see larger alliances / Power Blocks letting anyone take space just becasue they don't want it. You pay rent or they just leave the system sovereignty-less.
Originally by: Xolax Castle I remember a time where you could go on a roam and know you were going to run into Ravens ratting in belts... THAT TIME IS BACK!
If you want to farm Ravens now there are plenty of bot ravens to be caught in immensea. Try to catch all the Ravens you want in that region.
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Xolax Castle
Minmatar F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2011.04.04 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Phat
Originally by: Xolax Castle I remember a time where you could go on a roam and know you were going to run into Ravens ratting in belts... THAT TIME IS BACK!
If you want to farm Ravens now there are plenty of bot ravens to be caught in immensea. Try to catch all the Ravens you want in that region.
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Wu Phat
Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.04.04 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Xolax Castle
Originally by: Wu Phat
Originally by: Xolax Castle
If you want to farm Ravens now there are plenty of bot ravens to be caught in immensea. Try to catch all the Ravens you want in that region.
Everyone knows that bot ravens dont have real tears!
Real people play this game what ??? You lie!!!!
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Berrik Radhok
Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.04 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Si'ren Guys, come-on.. Just start belt-ratting like the old days and stop crying. If you're mad about not making as much isk maybe you should ask your alliance leaders to share some of that sweet, sweet tech profit with the lower-class fodder.
Just a thought.
GSF goes through approximately 75 billion a month just to pay for essential alliance infrastructure. Believe me, there is no magical fountain of tech goo flowing directly into the director's pockets. Holding space is goddamn expensive as hell.
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Bagehi
Caldari Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.04 19:44:00 -
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Goodbye to the Provi alliances. I am amused that NC(dot), AAA, and Atlas people are giggling with delight about this change. The nerf bat is aimed squarely at your space my old friends.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Sephiroth CloneIIV
Gallente Vitriol Ventures United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.04 21:03:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Bagehi Goodbye to the Provi alliances. I am amused that NC(dot), AAA, and Atlas people are giggling with delight about this change. The nerf bat is aimed squarely at your space my old friends.
That might be why NCdot, evoke, and friends are currently doing a bum rush to cloud ring before the nerf happens. Deep down they know how horrible CVA space is, and how costly it will be to pay for upkeep in all the systems with stations.
If plexes increase in spawn rate, it must be now a 2% chance to find one in any one system in a day that has not already been done, vs the 1% chance it used to be.
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Katcaeks
Caldari SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.04 22:15:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Xolax Castle I remember a time where you could go on a roam and know you were going to run into Ravens ratting in belts... THAT TIME IS BACK!
1st: CCP is just responding to my petition on moving carebears out of the bunkers and back into the line of fire! Glad to know you listen CCP!
2nd: They are nerfing Drakes and restoring the endangered Raven back into its natural habitat! Where they can florish again being hunted by the average solo roamer!
So all the carebears that have been building up isk... its time to go back to high sec where you can be safe running level 4's. Prepair for the AFK cloakers to take flight once again on a true sec system near you!
Not sure if you're a troll or just on paint fumes there, but this change is just going to force smaller groups to leave null or never go in the first place. CCP's supposed current goal was to have null easier for smaller groups to enter and hold sov, with this change I can't see a smaller alliance bothering. Less smaller groups means less "skirmish battles" and more blobfests between superpowers.
What's more interesting is if you read the quarterly economic report, it reads that EVE currently runs the risk of inflation and that NPC bounties are a huge source of ISK generation. Seems more like a knee jerk reaction to try stop inflation to me in that A generates LOTS of ISK, nerf A, prevent inflation. I don't think this solution is well thought out with what it holds for null sec and CCP pushing out the "big battle for space" image.
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Rymker Artiwango
Minmatar BlackWatch Industrial Group OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.04 22:22:00 -
[184]
Edited by: Rymker Artiwango on 04/04/2011 22:22:28 I didn't get past the first few pages... With everyone complaining that CCP needs to fix the lag first...
I really think this is a sneaky way to fix the lag. By attempting to destroy the large empires (Coalitions) able to field 1000+ ships per side prematurely, they decrease the size of the fleet battles to a more manageable size for the game/servers to handle.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.04 23:09:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Katcaeks I don't think this solution is well thought out with what it holds for null sec and CCP pushing out the "big battle for space" image.
The dominion patch was not well thought out for CVA, but I didn't see you championing them. EVE changes all the time, it's what keeps it fresh, when you start complaining too much about a change it means you got too used to the status quo. Do you really want things to stay the same?
(Your definition of big battle for space is off from mine by a factor of nearly 10, and please count the ships in CCP's trailers even we have a bigger fleet) ---
I does like have spaceship vids n stuff
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Heinky
Amarr Dashavatara
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Posted - 2011.04.05 00:39:00 -
[186]
If they ever come out with a patch that the eve community DOESN'T complain about, i'll truly be worried.
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iciingdeath
Amarr APEX ARDENT COALITION Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.04.05 15:45:00 -
[187]
CCP SUCKS EVEN MORE EVERY DAY IF THEY KEEP DOING THIS
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Renu
Minmatar Friends of Honor Bang Bang You're Dead
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Posted - 2011.04.05 18:18:00 -
[188]
If CCP is worried about lack of dynamics in 0.0 conquest they should of unlock Jove ( still my dream to get there) and not to nerf 0.0 anoms cos ppl in empire who are jst scamming in jita with alts 24/7 think its not enough revenues compare to 0.0 risk takers ... Max sig image dimensions are 400w x 120h & 24,000 byte file size. --Jorauk |
gala gidas
Amarr Parental Control HELL4S
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Posted - 2011.04.05 19:02:00 -
[189]
Hi,i used to play this silly game called EVE because of the so called difficulty that it has... Its really amazing how so many players are wondering how to make ISK and develop as players in this game when it is so easy that even ******s can do it.You dont need blues,you dont need moon goo or T2 BPOs,you dont even need to know about marketing.
Just accept the fact that more than 99% of EVE players are actually idiots that the only thing they can do properly(and not always) is join a gang-blob and tap some buttons randomly... Its so funny that the most ignorant people are the null sec players when it comes to ISK making(if you exclude boting).No wonder why you gus grind lag for so many years while your leaders selling back ISK to you for real money preteding to be a "russian" botter. Fact is that if you have a small corp of lets say 10 players plus their alts they can easily generate more than 300 BIL per month as a corp without having them playing more than 3 hours per day..I cant begin to wonder how much more ISK one could make before the change of the AOF doomsday tbh but my guess is a lot more..either way..now that i am not playing anymore..no you cant have my stuff,i already gave them to friends and yes it was a lot of expensive crap:P Keep grinding tools...
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Mercenaries of Andosia Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.04.05 19:25:00 -
[190]
for everyone planing on quiting.
Please put up contracts with all your stuff to me: Ace Frehley
Kiss and hug whiners ♥
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Sephiroth CloneVII
Amarr Vitriol Ventures United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.05 21:09:00 -
[191]
Originally by: gala gidas Hi,i used to play this silly game called EVE because of the so called difficulty that it has... Its really amazing how so many players are wondering how to make ISK and develop as players in this game when it is so easy that even ******s can do it.You dont need blues,you dont need moon goo or T2 BPOs,you dont even need to know about marketing.
Just accept the fact that more than 99% of EVE players are actually idiots that the only thing they can do properly(and not always) is join a gang-blob and tap some buttons randomly... Its so funny that the most ignorant people are the null sec players when it comes to ISK making(if you exclude boting).No wonder why you gus grind lag for so many years while your leaders selling back ISK to you for real money preteding to be a "russian" botter. Fact is that if you have a small corp of lets say 10 players plus their alts they can easily generate more than 300 BIL per month as a corp without having them playing more than 3 hours per day..I cant begin to wonder how much more ISK one could make before the change of the AOF doomsday tbh but my guess is a lot more..either way..now that i am not playing anymore..no you cant have my stuff,i already gave them to friends and yes it was a lot of expensive crap:P Keep grinding tools...
Explain, how would a corp be making 300 billion per month without having to play more then 3 hours a day (or 30 bil per player per month). Would this be in null sec space. Because a point would be, something needs to be of value (and needs to be able to go around) for a large portion of eve players for them to experience it, otherwise diminished capacity for it to sustain large numbers of players or draw to ever have them come here.
If its PI making a refined PI like coolant, I would think it be closer to 50-70 mil a week per char or 200 per month (x3 if using every char on account). If its trading, I don't think I get anywhere near that, and I do it in about every region of the NC with a wide variety of ice and fuels, and no, no one else can do it because I am already doing it. Tell us your 'idea', otherwise I and anyone else will assume its bull****, or high sec trading which requires having hundreds of billions of isk it invest in it to start with in order to make those amounts of money.
What makes people mad about this change is that it makes level 4s in empire more lucrative then the vast majority of null sec. If you want to do something about mindless static income, try tackling the mission hubs with hundreds of people who never have to check Intel channels, be aligned or have save points prepared. You would think lower sec space would have a 'bit' more reward being the sort of endgame people have to use force or bribes to have access to, along with paying sov bills. Something should be of value in null sec to drive people to live in it, you know crops that others can burn, which some people requested to want to do that. If it is a desert, no crops, few players.
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gala gidas
Amarr Parental Control HELL4S
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Posted - 2011.04.06 08:23:00 -
[192]
It seems you covered all the map of EVE except low security systems.I mean the actual 0.1-0.4 systems. You also remembered that there are lvl4 missions but you forget that there are lvl5 missions also.Do them properly,playing smart and you can reach easily doing 5-6 per hour if you are using crappy T1 BSs(main+alt) or go hardcore on them and do them with a MOM and do 10+ per hour.After doing the math you will find out that its not really a big deal to do 1,5MIL loyalty points in 3 hours missioning with BSs or my highest runs of 2,5 MIL LPs in 3 hours like i used to. Ofc many will say that its not possible to run so many missions so fast especially in low sec.I ve heard the argument that you cant do 5's so fast when lvl4 missions are taking os much time.Well,thank god people are thinking this way because if EVE players were smart i wouldn't be playing this game for free in the first place. If your corp and alliance-coalition leaders were actually thinking how to develop newb players iot make them good in this game they would told you how they make ISK.Instead look at you silly renters and alliance grunts opening trading windows like peasants to get a crappy ship payed back when you actually play to help your leaders make ISK. Best thing of the hole deal?ISK goes directly to the memberbase and not to some director's or CEO's fat wallet. A player under proper corp guidance can easily play for free and fly a suprcap in less than 10 months in the game.There are numerous perfectly trained characters in the forums.I dont really know if i was a "proper" supercap pilot or never really cared if i could fly like a pro a deadspace fitted active tanked sleipnir(in a full crystal clone ofc)because tbh their actual value to me was the same the typical grunt has for the stupid drake he flies after all these years in this game. The biggest problem in EVE isnt some faulty game mechanics.The only thing broken in this game is the memberbase itself.If the memberbase was actually good or had the slightest balls to man up(in a game lol) and try to become something better than a renter,the game itself would have been a lot better with numerous smaller,smarter and more efficient entities. Instead of that,you are eating the same crap everyday about how good is to defend the wallet of other players. For me personally thats the only reason i dont play EVE anymore.Whats the point of playing a game when the most important asset the memberbase are idiots?
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.06 09:50:00 -
[193]
Ok, interesting move.
Now, will CCP reduce the cost of infrastructure currently deployed to systems with a high true sec status now?
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Stygian Knight
Minmatar Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.06 10:27:00 -
[194]
This is actually the best thing for EvE after nano and missile nerf.
I love the bear tears here.
More wars and destruction coming
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Rick Starkiller
Caldari Intergalactic Serenity Ev0ke
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Posted - 2011.04.06 11:01:00 -
[195]
Nice one CCP *thumbs up*
All those 0.0 Carebear whiners shall adapt or die! It's ZERO Space and not Hello Kitty Space. Makin Money for destroying Money thats the Circle of Live in Eve and the Way it should be! Not makin Money and Money and Money and Money !!!
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Velios
Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2011.04.06 11:59:00 -
[196]
I've lived with the consequences of every other CCP change to EVE quite happily in the past - I don't see why this one will be so bad. All things are relative and so long as wealth is distributed evenly throughout 0.0 then I'm OK with it personally. |
Myz Toyou
Minmatar APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:14:00 -
[197]
A new ( old )area of 0.0 has begun:
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Sephiroth CloneVII
Amarr Vitriol Ventures United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.06 13:30:00 -
[198]
Originally by: gala gidas It seems you covered all the map of EVE except low security systems.I mean the actual 0.1-0.4 systems. You also remembered that there are lvl4 missions but you forget that there are lvl5 missions also.....
I'm not sure how you can run something smarter, in order to speed run missions you need allot of DPS, which is what people configure ships for anyway for doing missions.
But at least might be something outside level 4's that make better isk. But..... this still goes back to the same problem of a growing lack of things to draw people to null. What you suggesting is that one of the greatest resources in the universe are level 5 mission hubs.
Guess might do some moving.
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hears
Minmatar GK inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:29:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Sephiroth CloneVII
Originally by: gala gidas It seems you covered all the map of EVE except low security systems.I mean the actual 0.1-0.4 systems. You also remembered that there are lvl4 missions but you forget that there are lvl5 missions also.....
I'm not sure how you can run something smarter, in order to speed run missions you need allot of DPS, which is what people configure ships for anyway for doing missions.
But at least might be something outside level 4's that make better isk. But..... this still goes back to the same problem of a growing lack of things to draw people to null. What you suggesting is that one of the greatest resources in the universe are level 5 mission hubs.
Guess might do some moving.
after reading that i KNOW why you are a Renter
most intelligent players Blitz L5 Missions and and so manage quite a few a Hour.
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necrodon
Minmatar Zor Industries Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:35:00 -
[200]
seriously what a bunch of whining ***gots.
oh noes my plexes
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hears
Minmatar GK inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:41:00 -
[201]
Originally by: necrodon seriously what a bunch of whining ***gots.
oh noes my plexes
so true
makes me wonder what they did before there where anomalies ?
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BBJ Shepard
Caldari Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:41:00 -
[202]
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Nestor Laurenitis
Gallente Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.04.06 15:48:00 -
[203]
Originally by: SirJoJo atm eve is from fountain to geminate one big happy party and that can only happen because there no conflict of interest happening, they all have the same value of space and they a are all happy, and its pretty much the same in the south just not on such a big extend as in the north.
+1
I'm a big fan of any change that sews dissent and weakens major power blocks. If you spend more time trying to find and exploit Havens then you spend trying to figure out how to get your neighbor to fight you in this game I've got no sympathy for you.
I don't really know how much conflict these changes will generate due to my general lack of respect for the entities within the NC, however. I suspect they want a great blue and safe home to live in more than they want to actually TAKE something better for themselves.
My only regret would be fewer potential targets in space as easily probable Havens, but if that spices up the overall community with conflict it would be worth it.
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Capricorn 0ne
Caldari Heaven's Army Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.04.06 15:53:00 -
[204]
Originally by: hears
Originally by: necrodon seriously what a bunch of whining ***gots.
oh noes my plexes
so true
makes me wonder what they did before there where anomalies ?
I got 4 or 5 alt's in battle ships and ran level 3 missions all day, **** was so cash. U jelly? RUST GSBG 2LGT2QT |
Kijo Rikki
Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:16:00 -
[205]
Originally by: hears
Originally by: necrodon seriously what a bunch of whining ***gots.
oh noes my plexes
so true
makes me wonder what they did before there where anomalies ?
They traded timecards for isk in the timecard bazaar forum.
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Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Hysterically Unforgiving Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:44:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Ed Rush Edited by: Ed Rush on 26/03/2011 15:37:20 but hey.. we get to walk in our captains quarters ! no need to undock! better than ratting or pewpew!
no longer will people be forced to ship spin in station hangers, soon you will be able to run in circles in your pilot's quarters, cause thats totally worth 6-9 months of development, design, and manpower.
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xKillswitchx
Caldari Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.10 19:07:00 -
[207]
This is just another way that CCP is showing that they really do not listen to the players nor do they actually care about them. First CCP wanted to get as many people out into null sec, now that they have done that. They nerf the whole thing. Frankly its time to go find another MMO if this is how they want to run their operation.
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Linium
Minmatar Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.04.11 15:20:00 -
[208]
I really like the new anoms system ccp. A good job well done.
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Lorin Edehiel
Minmatar Northmoor Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.11 15:25:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Garreth Vlox
Originally by: Ed Rush Edited by: Ed Rush on 26/03/2011 15:37:20 but hey.. we get to walk in our captains quarters ! no need to undock! better than ratting or pewpew!
no longer will people be forced to ship spin in station hangers, soon you will be able to run in circles in your pilot's quarters, cause thats totally worth 6-9 months of development, design, and manpower.
haha, so true. i hope they add some guns so i could shot myself in the bloody head in that station.
again, cccp is devel. this game in the right direction. cheers
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Murq
Minmatar SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW
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Posted - 2011.04.11 15:57:00 -
[210]
I hope they re'balance' 0.0 every 12 months. :)
The more occupied a region is, the less valuable it becomes. Spread out ***gots so ROAMS have value.
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Anitta Blake
Caldari BSC LEGION Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.11 21:03:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Nestor Laurenitis
+1
I'm a big fan of any change that sews dissent and weakens major power blocks. If you spend more time trying to find and exploit Havens then you spend trying to figure out how to get your neighbor to fight you in this game I've got no sympathy for you.
the only problem is that this only weakens the smaller corps in 0,0 major power blocks have lots of moons and large cap fleets to call on.
when i say smaller corps i mean like 40 - 60 man units that want to stand alone out side of the power blocks.
this will come down to "when you cant beat them join them" game play giving more power to the power blocks by more numbers joining ,so we will end up 3000+ vs 3000+ fights in one system and we all know the game cant handle that.
CPP just killed the small guys in 0.0 that is all this has done no power blocks will brake up due to these changes.
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Joodea
Caldari Heretic Army B A N E
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Posted - 2011.04.12 04:05:00 -
[212]
this is not 'nam. there are rules.
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Ltd SpacePig
Amarr FISKL GUARDS RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.04.12 07:23:00 -
[213]
Mooooore teeears "Carebear gone bad" |
Signal11th
Amarr Versatech Co. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.04.12 08:53:00 -
[214]
To be honest it's not going to change anything, our system has been "nerfed" (as the kids say) humm we have lost two sanctums but have gained 2 havens, whoopee fecking do, so because CCP have limited my isk making from say (these numbers are wrong) 60mil an hour to 50 mil and hour I'm going to spend 1-2bil losing ships fighting for a system that will give me the extra 10/20mil an hour. It's silly, you still make ridiculous amounts of isks in 0.0 "nerfed" or not.
Plexe's/belts/havens/sanctums/anom's lots of goodies from idiots in faction fitted ships how can you possibly moan about not making money?
Christ I play for probably 1 or 2 hours a day that's max and I have a tengu,mach various hacs/faction ceptors postive wallet and still can probably make a hundred mill if I wanted to. Unfortunately I havent got to the realms of using plex to pay my subs but I suppose if the missus wasnt such an hard arse I could.
Sometimes I think people are just too lazy. I actually like the fact I "might" have to actually work for my isk now. Really how much money do you actually need to enjoy the game?
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Blaad Booyashaka
Minmatar 4 Inches Of PAIN
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Posted - 2011.04.12 11:12:00 -
[215]
Good change, now nerf high-sec lvl4 missioning too and we are golden.
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
Minmatar The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.04.12 11:34:00 -
[216]
Is a good change, all space shouldn't be equal. However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente Privateers Of Virtue Vicious OuTLaW
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Posted - 2011.04.12 11:47:00 -
[217]
Wow. An FCON guy whining about anomalies change. Makes me laugh so hard Bitter that you can't do sanctums 23/7? Need some hug? --------------------------------------
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foxden
Caldari Russian Specnaz Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.12 12:02:00 -
[218]
This is the biggest mistake of CCP and it is harming their budget. This had to be very drunk to come up and present with such a ridiculous justification.
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Fattyfatty DingDong
Gallente Iniquitous Technologies Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2011.04.12 14:51:00 -
[219]
CCP, nerf lvl 4s, nerf FW missions, then ban some botters to earn some of your credibility back. |
Defkaleion
Gallente Maza Nostra HELL4S
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Posted - 2011.04.12 15:08:00 -
[220]
Originally by: codex09
IF CCP decide to move forward with this the chances are it will just cause even more of the older characters that live in 0.0 for plexes etc to go play something else. It may even drive whole corps to leave. (alliances also maybe?)(Does CCP care if they lose a heap of PAYING customers?)
Dude, risk is acceptable for them.... this is not the first time in 7 years doing something significantly big in change. 2005=soverenity warfare, 2007=nanonerf...etc. There are lots of old players not playing this game cause of CCP previous desisions.... and actualy who the @@ck cares if some old timers quit this game again. There will always be new players adapting the new way of things. If your corp/alliance will not, then yes you die/quit/feeling bitter for losing your well preserved for so many years 0.0 NAP-bearing space...
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BuckStrider
Caldari Double-Down Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.04.12 16:04:00 -
[221]
Originally by: foxden This is the biggest mistake of CCP and it is harming their budget. This had to be very drunk to come up and present with such a ridiculous justification.
I'm sure mittens is working on this
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Buxaroo
Gallente Versatech Co. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.04.12 20:24:00 -
[222]
I love how balanced the game is where I can do faction warfare missions in a 30 mil isk stealth bomber and make more isk per hour than I can with 2 characters flying a carrier and a Nyx doing sanctums in a true sec -1 system. CCP.....seriously, I thought the whole purpose was to get people INTO null sec, not out of it?
ps: PLEASE DON'T NERF FW MISSIONS
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Capt Zulu
Minmatar Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.04.13 08:39:00 -
[223]
please dont screw this game up its awesome as it is
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p0ss0m
Caldari Evil Dead L.L.C. DEM0N HUNTERS
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:46:00 -
[224]
The number of people posting here saying they like the idea cause it will open up more combat and sov opportunities for smaller corps surprises me. As i see it this will concentrate just about all the 0.0 wealth with the high value moon holding corps and alliances. Corps holding 0.0 systems with true sec ratings of below 0.6 will probably find that their members struggle to make enough isk to pay for the alliance fees required to maintain sov. The alliances themselves will no longer be able to share any isk generated from moon mining as it will have to cover the sov costs that members will no longer be able to contribute towards. The 0.0 powerhouse alliances will be the existing ones who hold multiple tech moons. So, how does a small corp get into 0.0 space and make it worthwhile when the sov costs alone will be more than they can generate from corp taxes? let alone pos running costs? Certainly won't be from moon mining cause any system worth a damn will be taken by the existing 0.0 powerhouse alliances. So, the way i see it yes small corps and allainces will be able to get a foothold in 0.0 space, but it's doubtful that any system available to them will be worth the sov costs. Sure we wil get more combat, supers blobs attacking tech moons will be the order of the day. How is this any better than what we already have?
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Tester128
Caldari Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:01:00 -
[225]
Originally by: foxden This is the biggest mistake of CCP and it is harming their budget. This had to be very drunk to come up and present with such a ridiculous justification.
biggest mistake was to spawn this endless anomalies in the first place. now they are just trying to fix the ungodly isk influx and botting heaven. and not nearly hard enough too.
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frieghtliner120
Gallente THE TIME LORDS THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:43:00 -
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CCP has made a mess of EVE ever since the patch that released upgradable systems possible .
People *****ed about tower bashing but now you have blob warefare taking the 6 hours to wait for sbu's to go up then wait and protect the dam tcu's going online. They should of left the **** alone if they did then the smaller alliances could stand a better chance at 0.0 due to there ability to gain/make isk in game to place more towers than the totally pvp alliance which it now helps them due to there ability to kill the industrial alliances that had sov .
Since the patch released upgradable systems we have seen so many alliances fall but they claim that would help small alliances get into 0.0 , wow CCP fail. Now the new patch will f*** it up once again. They think sanctums will force ppl to goto war WTF CCP that will not force them to goto war and it will not open new chances for small alliances.
Well back to Eve people i go waiting on the next f*** up by CCP . Oh and i would play another game but i still like Eve just not the latest Patches.... so f*** me back to hell i play The Time Lords
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Posted - 2011.04.23 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ltd SpacePig Mooooore teeears
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