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HIddEn Q
Amarr Black Souls Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.30 14:27:00 -
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Hello everybody
After last patch there is a penalty to faction standings, when you use remote repair systems on your corp mates.
We are a pirate corp inside Amarr militia, our RPG point is to make chaos and disorder inside Minimatar teritory. So that`s why we are corsairs - fighting all minmatar and neutral pilots involved in minmatar war effort. We operate mostly under sentry guns fire with global criminal status and our SS is -10. Everybody knows that shooting a neutral pilot lowers security status... We know why our guardian pilot SS is quickly approaching -10 value, but we cannot comprehend why he also takes penalty to faction standing - he`s only repping a GCC pilot - belonging to the same corp and same militia... Can anyone explain to me relation between security status and faction standigs? Because we would really like to know why things like this happen.
Here is an example - text from transaction log:
"This penalty was incurred for assisting Guardian belonging to a member of the Aveugle when attacking a member of your militia in Ardar"
and another one:
"This penalty was incurred for assisting Armageddon belonging to a member of the FnDrake when attacking a member of your militia in Ardar"
First one - it looks like our Guardian made agressed a pilot from amarr milita. Second example sounds a bit more logic, but our Armageddon pilot didn`t get any penalty to faction standing, so it is an evidence that he wasn`t aggroing a member from amarr militia. Even more interesting is that you will get penalty to faction standing just by repping an outlaw corpmate even when he`s not agressing anyone.
Good faction standing is required for our pilots to access faction agents, so this bug cuts off our income and makes it really difficult to enjoy our RPG-based gamestyle.
We belive that this is a terrible bug. It would be great if anyone from CCP or GM`s could look into that matter - we`ve sent many petions but didn`t get any answer.
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.03.30 14:38:00 -
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First let me say, lolRP.
Second, this is why a lot of FW pilots who join gangs stay above -5 and don't get repped in big gangs while GCC. It also happens if you RR an outlaw even if he doesn't have a GCC. It is incredibly annoying and I personally wish CCP would change it but eh. That'll happen when they fix blasters, moon goo, SCs and game breaking blobs. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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HIddEn Q
Amarr Black Souls Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.30 17:52:00 -
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Need more details pls. Im outlaw militia pilot since one year and this is first time i got penalty for RR.
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Mara Abraham
Minmatar T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2011.03.30 18:53:00 -
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Good day, HIddEn Q:
While I don't have an answer to your questions, I just wanted to say thank you for sharing the story line as to why you and your corporation mates are doing what you are doing.
While I don't enjoy what you do towards us <smile>, I must say you do it better than we would like it done; and knowing the rp behind it, makes it even more interesting.
Thank you.
--- Mara Abraham
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.30 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: chatgris on 30/03/2011 19:23:21 I think this has been going on since fw started. Definitely for a year or two I've noticed it myself. This is not a "recent patch thing". Chalk up another mark on "things broken in fw".
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Mutnin
Amarr Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.03.30 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 30/03/2011 22:52:14
Originally by: Mutant Caldari First let me say, lolRP.
Second, this is why a lot of FW pilots who join gangs stay above -5 and don't get repped in big gangs while GCC. It also happens if you RR an outlaw even if he doesn't have a GCC. It is incredibly annoying and I personally wish CCP would change it but eh. That'll happen when they fix blasters, moon goo, SCs and game breaking blobs.
He's not talking about security status. He's saying they are losing "Amarr Faction" standings when repairing their fellow flashy/GCC corp mates.
The 1st should of course happen, but the second should not be happening. Reminds me of the whole lovely ordeal with null sec bubbles and standings loss for Militia members.
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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.03.31 02:49:00 -
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Membes of my corp have told me it is a known bug - you can petition it to get the standings restored (faction, not sec obviously).
BTW - I have a thread going about what happened regarding the FW round table at Fan Fest which some of you may be interested in as this bug is an example of what should have been discussed there with an intent to fix it (yes - I am trying to keep a straight face - CCP fixing FW bugs ...)
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1489084
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.03.31 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mutnin Edited by: Mutnin on 30/03/2011 22:52:14
Originally by: Mutant Caldari First let me say, lolRP.
Second, this is why a lot of FW pilots who join gangs stay above -5 and don't get repped in big gangs while GCC. It also happens if you RR an outlaw even if he doesn't have a GCC. It is incredibly annoying and I personally wish CCP would change it but eh. That'll happen when they fix blasters, moon goo, SCs and game breaking blobs.
He's not talking about security status. He's saying they are losing "Amarr Faction" standings when repairing their fellow flashy/GCC corp mates.
The 1st should of course happen, but the second should not be happening. Reminds me of the whole lovely ordeal with null sec bubbles and standings loss for Militia members.
Uh, I know exactly what he is talking about. I've been below -5 since '06, lol. I've also been in the militia for about 9 months now. The standings thing has been happening since I've been in militia and according to Chat's post, a lot longer. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2011.03.31 10:43:00 -
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Working as intended. Has done since day 1 of Factional Warfare.
If you are a pirate you are a pirate to the factions as well.
Aiding a pirate (less than -5) will give you a standings hit to the faction. QED most pirate corps don't last long in militias if they remote rep.
So its not new, its very very old. And it shall remain as such to discourage pirates bring in FW.
Thats what we got told when we went pirate and were in FW.
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whaynethepain
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Posted - 2011.03.31 11:57:00 -
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Yea, sounds like you have a point. Why don't the militia members take a standings hit for friendly fire? Are they in the same corp as each other at the time, so it would be classed as exercises. The confused bit makes no sense to me either.
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Szabla
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Posted - 2011.04.02 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Szabla on 02/04/2011 10:26:01
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Kzaar
Gallente Black Souls Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.02 10:28:00 -
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I disagree. Escpecially when someone writes that militia is only for ISK. Since last expansion navy issue ships are available on the market - not only via contracts. In my opinion that is intended hit in any pilot's ecenomy who gained ISK from militia LP stores. Prizes went down sagnificantly, and they are still going down. So if there is anyone left in Militia, the one cannot be an ISK grinder.
Now about the topic's prime theme. It is simply stupid to lose standing towards own militia faction by aiding a corp/fleet mate during the engagement. You don't even need to remote repair the pilot, you can remote sensor boost your blinky gang mate (from same militia) and the standing loss is there for you too. Whole -0.75%. Someone tried to explain it, saying that pirates are not welcome in militia. Well, suicide gankers are not welcome in high sec. If the militian is comitting a crime why does he not lose standing towards all 4 faction? None of them likes the pirates. Militia guys who want to go blinky are penalized by unexplained standing loss and CCP does not respond to the question asked by the opener. That stinks but maybe a lack of response is a response itself.
Seems the topic dies it's own death now. I suggest, whoever experienced such a standing loss, just grind petition to the oblivion. No ther option for the moment.
BTW, we are in ARDAR now. Whoever doubts in our RolePlaying effort, do not hesitate - visit us - and we will prove our devotion for the RP aspect of the game;)
Kz
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HIddEn Q
Amarr Black Souls Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.03 02:55:00 -
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we got new funny details about it
penalty is incurred even for using remote sensor booster !
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pizdacja
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Posted - 2011.04.03 04:18:00 -
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Ok/ finaly i got the answer to my petition.
Sent - 4/1/2011 8:34:00 AM Hi there, thanks for getting in touch.
Remote repping a militia member who is GCC is actually intended to cause this penalty I'm afraid. I realise that the wording is confusing but this is essentially what it means. However, there is a known bug where even repping a militia member who is an outlaw will gain this penalty. This shouldn't happen and anyone who has had this can petition to have the standing loss reversed.
Kind regards, GM Libra Luna EVE Online Customer Support.
Im glad that some body explain it to me. However it has no sense at all. So we will change topic here. Post your votes. Let them know we are dissagre with this penalty. And we want to change it. CCP are doing best what they can do, to make this game better and better. So we players should help them. this is an contribution to CCP. FIX THIS NOSENSE PLS !
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Punctator
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Posted - 2011.04.03 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: Punctator on 03/04/2011 22:33:36 "Remote repping a militia member who is GCC is actually intended to cause this penalty I'm afraid."
we need this penality because we play eve online. we dont mine, we dont produce, we only bring destruction.
ccp: neuts make ambushes, neuts open cynos, neuts are eyes of enemie or make backstabs. milita fw teretory should not have somethink like NEUTS. You should change this
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Oraw Obe
Caldari Black Souls Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.04 18:34:00 -
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+1 for poster . amarr standing going down in minmitar space while using remotes by amarr militia will be fix by 2020 CCCP
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