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Kallahar
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:26:00 -
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The total volume everything selling in Jita 4-4 is currently at 634,013,195,968.627m^3 (643 million cubic kilometers), which is about 1/3 the volume of all the oceans on the earth, and about 2.7% of the volume of the moon.
Data from http://eve-marketdata.com
Kallahar
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Nick Curso
Diabolus Ex Machina The Amazing Onjoi and his Educated Rodents
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:27:00 -
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Big Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Chesty McJubblies on 30/03/2011 20:30:48
Originally by: Kallahar The total volume everything selling in Jita 4-4 is currently at 634,013,195,968.627m^3 (643 million cubic kilometers)
Really?
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Reyold Bengali
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:32:00 -
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That's no moon, it's a space station. ------- Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. |
VaMei
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:34:00 -
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A cubic kilometer is 1000^3 cubic meters, or 1,000,000,000m3.
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:38:00 -
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Jita 4-4 volume is 8 on its side.
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Col Callahan
Caldari Boogie Monsters
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:38:00 -
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I would say its about the size of the costco in the movie idiocracy
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Chesty McJubblies on 30/03/2011 20:41:04
Originally by: VaMei A cubic kilometer is 1000^3 cubic meters, or 1,000,000,000m3.
Indeed, so it's 634 cubic kilometers. He was only 6 orders of magnitude off. o_O
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BeefBoy
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:41:00 -
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lmao idiocracy the world of the future such a funny film
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Chesty McJubblies Indeed, so it's 634 cubic kilometers. He was only 6 orders of magnitude off. o_O
It's a cube 8.6km x 8.6km x 8.6km, which is not as big as the oceans or whatever, but I think it's bigger than the model of that Jita station. It should be bursting at the seams with cargo pods.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:53:00 -
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Maybe that's the way to get people to spread out... add a max cargo capacity to stations. How much m3 should it be though?
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Whimsical One
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Merouk Baas It's a cube 8.6km x 8.6km x 8.6km, which is not as big as the oceans or whatever, but I think it's bigger than the model of that Jita station.
Pretty sure it isn't, actually. Bear in mind that a battleship is like 1 km long.
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Wendi Watson
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Col Callahan I would say its about the size of the costco in the movie idiocracy
Welcome to COSTCO, I love you.
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Modikus
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:53:00 -
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with that in mind, if we placed a maximum size on the capacity of a stations marketable goods, Why not take that a little further and put a maximum number of dockable mass on a station because i don't think Jita 4-4 has enough space for both... I would hate to be the warehouse manager at jita 4-4...
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Sryan
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Posted - 2011.03.30 21:58:00 -
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if I didn't miscalculate its something like 211.33773198954km x 211.33773198954km x 211.33773198954 km.
so no, it probably wouldn't fit in the spacestation, wich are only about 102km in length and not even close to that in width.
not to consider its probably not 99,9999% cargohold and a small market console :P
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.30 22:20:00 -
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JIta 4-4 should be remodeled to reflect its huge size and busy population.
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.03.30 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sryan if I didn't miscalculate its something like 211.33773198954km x 211.33773198954km x 211.33773198954 km.
You did. See above.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.03.30 22:28:00 -
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You're ignoring the volume of my collection of station warehouses. Each one, while still packaged, occupies 2 km^3. This is a good start. A full stack of 2^31 - 1 has a volume of 4,294,967,294 km^3.
In order to take advantage of the escrow lockers, I create 100 stacks of station warehouses at a time, and put them into item exchange contracts. With corporation contracting V, I can have 60 outstanding contracts at a time. Add on another 21 personal contracts for contracting V. I have maxed out trade skills, so I can set 305 sell orders, each containing a full stack. I have another 1,000 stacks in my personal hangar. So the number of stacks so far is (60 + 21) * 100 + 1000 + 305. This part of my collection has a total volume of 4.04 x 10^13 km^3.
Now, assuming the entire population of eve joins in using the same method, the numbers get a bit bigger. I'll assume we have about 800k characters over 300k accounts. Each character can hold a collection equal to my own as listed above. We now have 3.23 x 10^19 km^3 of station warehouses between us.
If I'm short of contract slots or hangar stack space, one of my options is to open a few trade sessions. I think each of these can hold another 1,000 stacks of items. Now, suppose every player in the game logs on to Jita, docks in 4-4 and opens a trade session with every other player (and the node somehow performs well enough to allow this). That creates space for a few more stacks. To be precise, 300,000 x 299,999 / 2 * 1,000 = 4.5 x 10^10 of them.
Now we have to start drawing on the resources of the corporations who have rented offices in 4-4. Each office has 7 divisional hangars, and every corp has a deliveries hangar even if they don't have an office. So that's another 8000 stacks per corp. Now, you might think that as there are only 25 offices available, this isn't going to make much of a difference. But suppose every character in eve waits in line to start a corp, rent an office in 4-4, fill all the hangars and unrents the office, so the items are impounded. This adds another 8000 x 800,000 = 6.4 x 10^9 stacks (albeit at a cost of about 3.2 x 10^14 isk in rent per month, and goodness knows how much more in impound fees to get the stuff back again). It might be possible to exploit this idea even further, but I'm not very familiar with how the impound process works.
There are probably some other opportunities I've missed for stashing even more station warehouses, but those are the main ones. This places a lower bound of 5.89 x 10^10 on the number of stacks of station warehouses that can be stored in Jita 4-4, and thus a total volume of at least 2.53 x 10^20 km^3, implying a radius of at least 3.92 x 10^6 km.
As each of these containers has a mass of 1.8 x 10^7 kg, I thought it was worth checking what the Schwarzschild radius was for the pooled collections. The total mass is about 2.28 x 10^27 kg, about halfway between the mass of the Earth and that of the Sun on a log scale, and about 3/2 times that of Jupiter.
The corresponding Schwarzschild radius turns out to be approximately 3.7m, so the inhabitants of Jita 4-4 need not worry about any impending supernova or runaway star formation. Yet.
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.30 22:30:00 -
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Turn Jita 4-4 into a death star-like structure.
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Painpill
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Posted - 2011.03.30 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Painpill on 30/03/2011 22:54:53
Originally by: Whimsical One
Originally by: Merouk Baas It's a cube 8.6km x 8.6km x 8.6km, which is not as big as the oceans or whatever, but I think it's bigger than the model of that Jita station.
Pretty sure it isn't, actually. Bear in mind that a battleship is like 1 km long.
im pretty sure that the cube root of 634013195969 (rounded up) is : 8590,7933293621480075994086781059 m^3 thus 8,6 km^3
The precise cube root of 634013195968,627 m^3 however would be : 8590,7833293604633096560925863549 m^3 thus again 8,6km^3
And for the size of a PACKAGED battelship (which it need to be, in order to sell it) is 50000m^3 only a tiny box of 36,840314986403866057798228335798m^3 * 36,840314986403866057798228335798m^3 * 36,840314986403866057798228335798m^3
the only thing that dont add up is the size of the station
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.30 23:13:00 -
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For the record, the Caldari 1 station item (the model used for Jita 4-4) has a stated radius of 45kmà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.03.30 23:28:00 -
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Addendum to the above- with the minimum radius I calculated, 4-4 would be so large that it would engulf Jita IV, its 9 moons and all the other stations in orbit around the same planet. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression |
Stegas Tyrano
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2011.03.31 00:34:00 -
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Make stations bigger.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2011.03.31 00:52:00 -
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Does it matter? Isn't there some lore to explain how the hold has the space warping technology that most containers have but like on crack?
Limiting station holds is stupid, next is putting limits on pod pilots and corporations hangars. Say bye to having lots of ship options and gear, etc OR just look forward to paying for individual hangars like corps have to rent in order to get more space.
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.03.31 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Painpill Edited by: Painpill on 30/03/2011 23:04:53 Edited by: Painpill on 30/03/2011 23:04:19
Originally by: Whimsical One
Originally by: Merouk Baas It's a cube 8.6km x 8.6km x 8.6km, which is not as big as the oceans or whatever, but I think it's bigger than the model of that Jita station.
Pretty sure it isn't, actually. Bear in mind that a battleship is like 1 km long.
im pretty sure that the cube root of 634013195969 (rounded up) is : 8590,7933293621480075994086781059m thus 8,6 km
The precise cube root of 634013195968,627 m^3 however would be : 8590,7833293604633096560925863549m thus again 8,6km
And for the size of a PACKAGED battelship (which it need to be, in order to sell it) is 50000m^3 only a tiny box of 36,840314986403866057798228335798m * 36,840314986403866057798228335798m * 36,840314986403866057798228335798m
the only thing that dont add up is the size of the station
Please use more than 35 significant figures. Anything less is just too vague.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.31 01:57:00 -
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"You are unable to dock because all the docking bays are full"
"You are unable to unload your cargo because station hangar is full"
"You are unable to leave captain quarters because random stuff is blocking the door"
"You are unable to quit the game because servers are overloaded and can not process the command"
"You are unable to uninstall because game is still running"
"Sorry, no petition slots available"
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Palovana
Caldari Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.03.31 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Stormshadow "You are unable to leave captain quarters because random stuff is blocking the door"
Gives me an idea what I can do with all those Anaconda Mines that are sometimes advertised in Jita.
But I suppose booby-trapping someone's CQ door would be considered in-station combat and illegal.
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Zesoft
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Posted - 2011.03.31 03:01:00 -
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It's one guy at the front desk with a bag of holding.
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Vardec Crom
Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.31 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro You're ignoring the volume of my collection of station warehouses. Each one, while still packaged, occupies 2 km^3. This is a good start. A full stack of 2^31 - 1 has a volume of 4,294,967,294 km^3.
In order to take advantage of the escrow lockers, I create 100 stacks of station warehouses at a time, and put them into item exchange contracts. With corporation contracting V, I can have 60 outstanding contracts at a time. Add on another 21 personal contracts for contracting V. I have maxed out trade skills, so I can set 305 sell orders, each containing a full stack. I have another 1,000 stacks in my personal hangar. So the number of stacks so far is (60 + 21) * 100 + 1000 + 305. This part of my collection has a total volume of 4.04 x 10^13 km^3.
Now, assuming the entire population of eve joins in using the same method, the numbers get a bit bigger. I'll assume we have about 800k characters over 300k accounts. Each character can hold a collection equal to my own as listed above. We now have 3.23 x 10^19 km^3 of station warehouses between us.
If I'm short of contract slots or hangar stack space, one of my options is to open a few trade sessions. I think each of these can hold another 1,000 stacks of items. Now, suppose every player in the game logs on to Jita, docks in 4-4 and opens a trade session with every other player (and the node somehow performs well enough to allow this). That creates space for a few more stacks. To be precise, 300,000 x 299,999 / 2 * 1,000 = 4.5 x 10^10 of them.
Now we have to start drawing on the resources of the corporations who have rented offices in 4-4. Each office has 7 divisional hangars, and every corp has a deliveries hangar even if they don't have an office. So that's another 8000 stacks per corp. Now, you might think that as there are only 25 offices available, this isn't going to make much of a difference. But suppose every character in eve waits in line to start a corp, rent an office in 4-4, fill all the hangars and unrents the office, so the items are impounded. This adds another 8000 x 800,000 = 6.4 x 10^9 stacks (albeit at a cost of about 3.2 x 10^14 isk in rent per month, and goodness knows how much more in impound fees to get the stuff back again). It might be possible to exploit this idea even further, but I'm not very familiar with how the impound process works.
There are probably some other opportunities I've missed for stashing even more station warehouses, but those are the main ones. This places a lower bound of 5.89 x 10^10 on the number of stacks of station warehouses that can be stored in Jita 4-4, and thus a total volume of at least 2.53 x 10^20 km^3, implying a radius of at least 3.92 x 10^6 km.
As each of these containers has a mass of 1.8 x 10^7 kg, I thought it was worth checking what the Schwarzschild radius was for the pooled collections. The total mass is about 2.28 x 10^27 kg, about halfway between the mass of the Earth and that of the Sun on a log scale, and about 3/2 times that of Jupiter.
The corresponding Schwarzschild radius turns out to be approximately 3.7m, so the inhabitants of Jita 4-4 need not worry about any impending supernova or runaway star formation. Yet.
Brilliant. Every one should aspire to posts of this quality.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.03.31 06:14:00 -
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Edited by: Kyra Felann on 31/03/2011 06:14:27
Originally by: Chesty McJubblies
Originally by: Painpill im pretty sure that the cube root of 634013195969 (rounded up) is : 8590,7933293621480075994086781059m thus 8,6 km
The precise cube root of 634013195968,627 m^3 however would be : 8590,7833293604633096560925863549m thus again 8,6km
And for the size of a PACKAGED battelship (which it need to be, in order to sell it) is 50000m^3 only a tiny box of 36,840314986403866057798228335798m * 36,840314986403866057798228335798m * 36,840314986403866057798228335798m
the only thing that dont add up is the size of the station
Please use more than 35 significant figures. Anything less is just too vague.
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