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Minmatar Freedom
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.30 14:05:00 -
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Just something I was thinking about and wanted to bounce it off the forums.
Due to a night temp of "Satan's butthole hot" I was unable to get as much beauty sleep as someone of my stunningly handsome stature requires. So I decided to do what any normal person would do when they're up at oh-**** o-clock in the morning, I logged into EVE and settled in to do some mining.
After checking a few belts, I noticed something. Virtually all of the advanced versions of the standard ores had been stripped out. This was curious, so I swept all of the belts in the system I was in and I found a cluster of barges near the end of the list hoovering out the Azure Plagio and Viscous Pyro. Perhaps its just this system, a few early risers or people on different timezones. Out of curiosity, I decided to check other belts in other systems just to see what there was to see.
The same story, advanced ores stripped out. I checked a total of twelve systems and the story was the same; a group of miners chewed away at roughly half the belt and removed almost all of the higher yield ores.
The time when I checked? +1 hour after end of daily downtime.
Essentially, a great deal of the mineral wealth of belts is stripped out in the blink of an eye before most can get to the belt.
I'm curious to get other people's feedback. Do you think this is a problem?
Why or why not?
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Widow Cain
43
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Posted - 2012.08.30 14:09:00 -
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High Sec High Pop areas...
OMG You are sooo pixel macho... |

highonpop
Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension
242
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Posted - 2012.08.30 14:11:00 -
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Belts respawn at DT
Early bird gets the rocks
If you want them, start scouting out systems during your regular timezone that still have the good rocks left. Usually lower sec status systems like 0.5-0.7; Its just part of the game. Not all AUS/RUS tz people are in every system. There are tons of systems that dont have a large presence in the early time zones and you can still find the good highsec ores there.
Or.... start scanning for grav sites.
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Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
397
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Posted - 2012.08.30 14:12:00 -
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Or move onto Ice until the frenzy of the new Barges settles. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |

Jim Era
Genco Fatal Ascension
1720
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Posted - 2012.08.30 14:13:00 -
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How is that a problem?
Get there sooner. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
619
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Posted - 2012.08.30 14:16:00 -
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Nope it is not a problem,
Downtime is at 11:00 am EvE GMT so the Date line is starting at 11:00 pm the same day and the other side is at 11:00pm the previous day.
And due to the fact New Zealand and Australia and Russians contain a small percentage of the players so they gobble a small amount in their before bed period. then in Europe the story gets a bit worse as they have the whole afternoon following work to mine but again they are still a minority number of players.
Finally we get to America making up the majority of players and they subsequently destroy what is left.
So although the current system is beneficial to New Zealanders then Australians and Russians, then progressing west, there is no other way to do it. If you had the DT more beneficial to Americans that would mean nothing at all would remain for the rest of the world.
So in saying that the main people the current DT time helps is the unemployed world wide and they would not care what time the DT is anyway.
Have you considered moving to a less populated area there are a lot of them still around where almost nothing is touched except on weekends?
Edit: or you could move to Australia, New Zealand, Rassia or a lot of nice places away from the backwards hemisphere Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1030
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Posted - 2012.08.30 14:23:00 -
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Replace all mining with a ring mining variation. All belts are giant and respawn differently, just as PI fluctuates across the surface. Static resources are dull. |

Yokai Mitsuhide
FullMetal Miners
1203
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Posted - 2012.08.30 14:39:00 -
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Minmatar Freedom wrote:Just something I was thinking about and wanted to bounce it off the forums.
Due to a night temp of "Satan's butthole hot" I was unable to get as much beauty sleep as someone of my stunningly handsome stature requires. So I decided to do what any normal person would do when they're up at oh-**** o-clock in the morning, I logged into EVE and settled in to do some mining.
After checking a few belts, I noticed something. Virtually all of the advanced versions of the standard ores had been stripped out. This was curious, so I swept all of the belts in the system I was in and I found a cluster of barges near the end of the list hoovering out the Azure Plagio and Viscous Pyro. Perhaps its just this system, a few early risers or people on different timezones. Out of curiosity, I decided to check other belts in other systems just to see what there was to see.
The same story, advanced ores stripped out. I checked a total of twelve systems and the story was the same; a group of miners chewed away at roughly half the belt and removed almost all of the higher yield ores.
The time when I checked? +1 hour after end of daily downtime.
Essentially, a great deal of the mineral wealth of belts is stripped out in the blink of an eye before most can get to the belt.
I'm curious to get other people's feedback. Do you think this is a problem?
Why or why not?
I don't think it's a problem at all, don't want other miners in your area taking your ore...stop them. I chase exhumer pilots out of my areas all the time...mostly all it takes is a little harassing by mining off their rocks so they cant have them or threating to suicide gank them. Had to suicide gank 1 a while back because he wouldn't get the hell out of my system, and he hasn't been back since.
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Holy One
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
226
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Posted - 2012.08.30 15:54:00 -
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internal or external? |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
959
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:00:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Nope it is not a problem,
Downtime is at 11:00 am EvE GMT so the Date line is starting at 11:00 pm the same day and the other side is at 11:00pm the previous day.
And due to the fact New Zealand and Australia and Russians contain a small percentage of the players so they gobble a small amount in their before bed period. then in Europe the story gets a bit worse as they have the whole afternoon following work to mine but again they are still a minority number of players.
Finally we get to America making up the majority of players and they subsequently destroy what is left.
So although the current system is beneficial to New Zealanders then Australians and Russians, then progressing west, there is no other way to do it. If you had the DT more beneficial to Americans that would mean nothing at all would remain for the rest of the world.
So in saying that the main people the current DT time helps is the unemployed world wide and they would not care what time the DT is anyway.
Have you considered moving to a less populated area there are a lot of them still around where almost nothing is touched except on weekends?
Edit: or you could move to Australia, New Zealand, Rassia or a lot of nice places away from the backwards hemisphere Actually there are better ways of doing it. Example: Have roids spawn continuously throughout the day. Divorce spawning from downtime, sort of like exploration sites are. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9291
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:00:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Finally we get to America making up the majority of players a minority (actually, a third) and they subsequently destroy what is left. Fixed. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Jim Era
Genco Fatal Ascension
1734
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:03:00 -
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inaftertippia
now posting in a bad thread |

Too-Boku
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:04:00 -
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Enjoy your mining buff haha. Soon all your belts will be overrun with 10-20 char box crews. |

MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
81
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:15:00 -
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I am not a fan of static Belts to mine and even though some people claim that it inst a problem I feel it is. Mining should be more dynamic then what it is atm if people are constantly mining one system it should spawn next to no rocks for that system. This should be the case for everything including rats. If people keep harvesting the resources out of a system it should become a barren system and force people to move to other systems so it has time to replenish. I know lots of people are going to flame at this but this would be a good way to encourage people away from the most densely populated parts and have a more spread out system. I am also in favor of no high end variants (dense, pristine) and a slight reduction to the amount base minerals in Hi Sec space. It would give miners a reason venture out into the low sec areas to make their riches. This also could cause people to rush to the forums and claim that I am trying to make them play the game my way and not theirs. These are just Idea but I feel that belts and rats should be dynamic through out EVE if you abuse them in one system that system will go dry. Could you imagine people getting combat missions in Jita or Dodixie and being forces to make 2 or 3 jumps to the system because of the over farming of those areas. It would help in the long run but I feel to many people will fight this for it ever to happen. |

Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
248
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:18:00 -
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The closer a belt is to a local trade hub, the more valuable it is (with variations depending on local factory slots or systems with no stations). This is due to the lower amount of eventual hauling needed to bring the minerals/finished goods to market.
Log on during your normal play hours and check the belts in the systems 1 jump from hub. If the belts are empty, move to 2 jumps...then 3 etc, until you find an area with at LEAST two pristine (IE, hasn't been touched) belts. That is where you should mine.
In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |

Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
20
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:23:00 -
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Not a problem. Let them fumble around with their mining cycles and tiny roids. It's a good example of terrible Mining Yield per Effort. |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
959
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:32:00 -
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Mining away from your home base is a pain, and more of a pain now due to the barge changes. Previously you would fly to the "away" mining site, mine your ore, refine it, dump the minerals into the barge and fly home.
Now the minerals will not go into the barge as they are not ore. So you got to fly the barge home, switch ships and do another round trip.
This is the exact opposite of trying to get people to spread out. It encourages you to mine in your home system. I propose the "ore hold" be changed to a "mining hold" that can hold both ore and refined products.
Note: For me this is actually not an issue as I multibox 2 hulks and an orca. But for a new miner with their first barge, it encourages staying in one system. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

Lili Lu
369
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:48:00 -
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Yeah, has always been a stupid aspect to eve. And it's not just asteroids, other things are set to spawn after downtime. I've heard this is the case with officer spawns. But then I wouldn't know, never having seen one, because I live in North America. It's just easier to code things to replenish after downtime I guess. And yes it has meant Russians for the most part get the first crack at it all.
Of course CCP could make this whole situation more even by coding for dynamic and continuous spawning. Some things are that way. Surely someone there could figure out how to make blets and officers be less predictable.
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
186
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Posted - 2012.08.30 17:04:00 -
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It's one of the aspects that CCP has stated that they want to work away from as part of the "Death to Downtimes!" initiative.
They have changed various bit and pieces of seeding away from DT but some bits still remain.
And since they do one can assume that it's not trivial to change the remaining ones.
But the issue isn't all to bad actually since there's so many systems and belts. And if you want to get better belts you might have to use a map, scout around and find a nice area that isn't clobbered by euros who for one reason or other can start playing in the middle of the day and spend long hours doing so.
And if the Kiwis and Aussies can gain any advantage from this then they have deserved it several times over since they have to live with DT in the middle of their normal gaming hours.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
4694
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Posted - 2012.08.30 17:46:00 -
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nom nom nom
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Din Chao
Seraphim Initiative
76
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Posted - 2012.08.30 17:53:00 -
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So mine the slightly less profitable ores.
Unless you're one of those max yield *****(edit: National Socialist Party members... *sigh*) |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2302
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Posted - 2012.08.30 18:18:00 -
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Back when I mined, I could strip a belt of *everything* in a 0.7 system in a few hours. That was with two hulks and an orca.I could have mined the system I was basing out of all day and not cleared its 11 belts. There are more than enough belts in highsec to meet the demand of the miners there; you just need to find the ones people aren't mining constantly. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |

Lord Ryan
Quantum Cats Syndicate
585
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Posted - 2012.08.30 18:20:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Nope it is not a problem,
Finally we get to America making up the majority of players and they subsequently destroy what is left.
Majority? Pretty sure Eve is more of UK or EU or whatever the hell they are called game. -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |

Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2012.08.30 19:09:00 -
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I am of the opinion that all resources should respawn continuously, have no minimum, maximum is effected by the system security level and the rate should be effected by total quanity. (Obviously, it needs a minimum respawn rate, or else 0 composition means 0 respawn.)
So no boost after downtime, they can be completely depleted, and the more mass that is removed, the the slower it will regain mass.
The system will then automatically adjust belt yield based on miner population. Higher population areas, mean less to go around.
This fits principles that higher risk means more reward and it as time zone agnostic as possible. It also encouraged level loading on the nodes and more local economies. |

Widow Cain
44
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Posted - 2012.08.30 19:30:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Mining away from your home base is a pain, and more of a pain now due to the barge changes. Previously you would fly to the "away" mining site, mine your ore, refine it, dump the minerals into the barge and fly home.
Now the minerals will not go into the barge as they are not ore. So you got to fly the barge home, switch ships and do another round trip.
This is the exact opposite of trying to get people to spread out. It encourages you to mine in your home system. I propose the "ore hold" be changed to a "mining hold" that can hold both ore and refined products.
Note: For me this is actually not an issue as I multibox 2 hulks and an orca. But for a new miner with their first barge, it encourages staying in one system.
If you didn't insist on playing an MMO solo this would not be an issue.
People who work in teams have haulers and don't have to mine 2 jumps away from Jita where the ore is gone by DT + 1 hour.
Ever notice how 90% of the "problems" are only problems for solo players?
OMG You are sooo pixel macho... |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
960
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Posted - 2012.08.30 21:12:00 -
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Widow Cain wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Mining away from your home base is a pain, and more of a pain now due to the barge changes. Previously you would fly to the "away" mining site, mine your ore, refine it, dump the minerals into the barge and fly home.
Now the minerals will not go into the barge as they are not ore. So you got to fly the barge home, switch ships and do another round trip.
This is the exact opposite of trying to get people to spread out. It encourages you to mine in your home system. I propose the "ore hold" be changed to a "mining hold" that can hold both ore and refined products.
Note: For me this is actually not an issue as I multibox 2 hulks and an orca. But for a new miner with their first barge, it encourages staying in one system. If you didn't insist on playing an MMO solo this would not be an issue. People who work in teams have haulers and don't have to mine 2 jumps away from Jita where the ore is gone by DT + 1 hour. Ever notice how 90% of the "problems" are only problems for solo players? I don't insist on it, its just the way it seems to work out many times. If I sat and waited for others to log in I'd get almost nothing done.
Eve needs solo activities to do to keep people involved with the game while they wait for others to log in and get their stuff together. And they need to be viable activities. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
94
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Posted - 2012.08.30 22:05:00 -
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This provides some interesting choices. If you can not get to mine what you need for what ever reason, then you need to move to where you can mine. But, I need to be near a major hub for my industrial and sales. Well then I guess you are going to have to make a choice. Buy your minerals off the market to sell in the major hubs or move.
Here is a hint some 80% of eve's high sec belts are almost untouched by miners. Everybody wants to be in the same place. EVE is a large place people spread out. Now you have incentive to do so. I think this is great for eve. It is imposing a limit on industrials near major hubs. Also will give incentive for ganking as a trade. Miners can and will hire gankers for a fee to get rid of competition. Don't like that then move. EVE is a big place.
Politics of mining just got a whole lot more interesting.
As far as tutorial mining is concerned CCP can always make a noob only room for tutorial mining purposes. No need to fret over that as the reason CCP needs to do something about overmining the belts. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |

ALCYONE
The Logs Show Nothing
0
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Posted - 2012.08.30 22:23:00 -
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'And if the Kiwis and Aussies can gain any advantage from this then they have deserved it several times over since they have to live with DT in the middle of their normal gaming hours.' Lors Dornick.
I would be more than happy to swap viriginroids for a move in DT. As it is DT hits @ 9 pm local time ... which is kind of in the middle of primo play time. So after you have unwound after work , had dinner , put the kids to bed and said goodnight to the wife ( Wives tend to be more tolerant than GFs or lovers ) ... you can get a good half to an hour of play time before you have to down tools !
I know it has been a turn off for many contempating Monday to Friday playing.
Then again I dont know if WOWs version of taking a whole block of time per week is any better. |

Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
164
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Posted - 2012.08.30 23:08:00 -
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It's your fault for living in the wrong time zone. Maybe you should have thought more carefully before you chose where you were born. |

Jim Era
Genco Fatal Ascension
1808
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Posted - 2012.08.30 23:12:00 -
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prepare EVE, democracy is coming.
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