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Mister Rocknrolla	Posted - 2011.04.04 17:53:00 - [1] LOL... Originally by: QEN, page 44 On the other hand, the [Nanite Repair Paste] blueprint's second place position on the material efficiency [research] list is somewhat unfortunate. In all, 908 players did almost 1.3 million research runs on the blueprints. Every single run was wasted. <snip> ...all three ingredients in Nanite Repair Paste under the heading of Extra Material. Material efficiency has no effect on such extra materials. I guess it's good practice.
Maplestone	Posted - 2011.04.04 20:39:00 - [2] So what does this say? Is there widespread confusion about ME or are major players in the research game just blindly researching every blueprint they buy?
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.04.04 21:51:00 - [3] Originally by: Maplestone are major players in the research game just blindly researching every blueprint they buy? This really It goes right along with people building items them selling them for below mineral cost as well. Oh well, more profit for the people smart enough to do the math.
Hieronimus Rex Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research.	Posted - 2011.04.04 22:44:00 - [4] Originally by: Maplestone So what does this say? Is there widespread confusion about ME or are major players in the research game just blindly researching every blueprint they buy? I've always found that players pay an irrationally high premium for higher ME BPCs, for example they might pay an extra 300k for ME 100 battleship instead of ME 50, when (I think) this is worth maybe 50k. As long as their are irrational BPO buyers on the market, it makes sense for rational sellers to research ME knowing it does nothing.
LHA Tarawa	Posted - 2011.04.04 22:46:00 - [5] Originally by: Maplestone So what does this say? Is there widespread confusion about ME or are major players in the research game just blindly researching every blueprint they buy? 1) I am sure there is a lot of confusion. PI BPOs are pretty much the only ones where the bulk of the inputs are "extra" rather than BOM items. 2) I had to slap some of my corp mates upside the head. If a small rig BPO at ME 0 only needs 6 of these, 4 of them, and 4 of that, WTF are you doing ME to 20 on it?
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2011.04.04 23:04:00 - [6] Originally by: LHA Tarawa 2) I had to slap some of my corp mates upside the head. If a small rig BPO at ME 0 only needs 6 of these, 4 of them, and 4 of that, WTF are you doing ME to 20 on it? To be fair, some people like nice round numbers. Personally I can't stand having a BP with ME 2, it needs to fit in with the rest of my BPs.
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2011.04.05 03:08:00 - [7] Actually, CCP's largely to blame with that, mainly from the PI debacle. Not a lot of people out there are aware of the inconsistencies between standard BPOs and these new "PI" BPOs. The same case can also be applied to T3 BPOs as well, to a lesser extent. Both of these create massive confusion until the players test it themselves or hear from reliable word of mouth from friends or read about them. These BPOs DO NOT clearly distinguish how materials waste are calculated. Sort of like the BPO/BPC icon confusion (that they're finally looking into). The hubris from that QEN on the wasted research is rather ironic. P.S They are of course other misc reasons, but I'd say the above constitute the bulk of it.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.05 03:45:00 - [8] You know, the fact that "regular" and "extra" materials are not clearly labeled as such on the BPO showinfo *JUST MIGHT* be the main problem... _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Loraine Gess	Posted - 2011.04.05 04:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Sturmwolke Actually, CCP's largely to blame with that, mainly from the PI debacle. Not a lot of people out there are aware of the inconsistencies between standard BPOs and these new "PI" BPOs. The same case can also be applied to T3 BPOs as well, to a lesser extent. Both of these create massive confusion until the players test it themselves or hear from reliable word of mouth from friends or read about them. These BPOs DO NOT clearly distinguish how materials waste are calculated. Sort of like the BPO/BPC icon confusion (that they're finally looking into). The hubris from that QEN on the wasted research is rather ironic. P.S They are of course other misc reasons, but I'd say the above constitute the bulk of it. WTB T3 BPOs
Felice Stardancer	Posted - 2011.04.05 10:23:00 - [10] Edited by: Felice Stardancer on 05/04/2011 10:25:35 Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: LHA Tarawa 2) I had to slap some of my corp mates upside the head. If a small rig BPO at ME 0 only needs 6 of these, 4 of them, and 4 of that, WTF are you doing ME to 20 on it? To be fair, some people like nice round numbers. Personally I can't stand having a BP with ME 2, it needs to fit in with the rest of my BPs. Personally I have my small rig BPOs at ME 1-2/PE whatever (20 I think). Not because it's any more efficient but to tell me that the BPO has in fact already been researched to efficiency and doesn't need to go into the oven yet/again. On the other hand I also have an advanced lab BPO with (I think) ME 5 on it. That's unfortunate because it falls in the same category as the nanite repair paste BPO in the QEN.
Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.04.05 10:41:00 - [11] This might be the solution: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1492626 Support if you like it.
Greg Huff	Posted - 2011.04.05 11:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik This might be the solution: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1492626 Support if you like it. It's not broken, therefore no CCP generated solution is needed.
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2011.04.05 14:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Loraine Gess WTB T3 BPOs Let me re-phrase, T3 component BPOs. Satisfied? P.S Decided agaist editing the prev post as I would've thought it was blindly obvious. sigh EVE forum, best forum
Rhett Riever	Posted - 2011.04.06 10:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Akita T You know, the fact that "regular" and "extra" materials are not clearly labeled as such on the BPO showinfo *JUST MIGHT* be the main problem... agreed, however on this BPO the material quantities iirc are 4,1,1 - there's no excuse to be doing ME research anyway
Pricechecker Shiyurida	Posted - 2011.04.06 22:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Sturmwolke Originally by: Loraine Gess WTB T3 BPOs Let me re-phrase, T3 component BPOs. Satisfied? P.S Decided agaist editing the prev post as I would've thought it was blindly obvious. sigh EVE forum, best forum Yes actually, I like a guy who can correct a mistake without much hub-bub and do so calmly and collected. I approve. (Posting from alt because main is deactivated).
Bex Beere Caldari Brewery Research Ltd Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2011.04.07 11:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Felice Stardancer On the other hand I also have an advanced lab BPO with (I think) ME 3 on it. That's unfortunate because it falls in the same category as the nanite repair paste BPO in the QEN. Fortunately one of my lab assistants researched it, not my inventing toons. With POS and POS Module BPOs it also depends on when you researched it as well. When they first came out all the PI materials were not "extra" CCP made that change later on when people realised they could reprocess the still NPC supplied POS mods into PI materials that were not yet available. So some people who bought the BPOs when they first came out and put them straight into research got a little screwed over by CCP when they moved all the materials into the extra catagory to stop reprocessing. Station component BPOs were also affected by this change as well. Bex Beere --- Bex Beere CEO Brewery Research Ltd

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