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Volyte
Immortalis Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.05 00:55:00 -
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So, I've been a pirate since 2003. Yes, this is my current main, and yes, this isn't my original main. Since I love C&P so much (/end sarcasm), I thought I would pose a question to everyone who plays the game like I do.
What happened to the days when we pirates actually lived by our word? When we actually honored a ransom or a pre-arranged fight and our repuation allowed us to make a living doing what we love?
These days, I can't even call myself a pirate - I am a low sec pvper. There is unfortunately a great difference in the EVE that has become. I live to fight small fleet pvp, 1v1, 1v2, 1v3, 5v5...anything small that requires tactics. Today, I simply got my ass handed to me, but it was fun. Sadly, EVE lagged and after I popped my pod refused to warp and I got caught...it doesn't happen often, so I gave props to the pilot who did it. He ransomed me for 20 mil, I paid, and I was podded. Now, including my implants and bounty, its not a huge deal - I'll make the isk back in a couple of days...its the principle.
Now, before the trolls/flames/any of the above come rolling in, allow me to explain - I live by certain rules as a low sec pvper, and I frequently ransom. Most of the time, there is much rage and I rarely get paid for my endeavors...but I still give the pilot a shot, and if he pays he is always released. Im absolutely not the best pvper in EVE, but I do enjoy the lifestyle of low sec pvp and I live by my word...I don't understand the incentive for people to do otherwise, as it hurts our entire way of life. Piracy has become nothing more than easy griefing, and these days it is incredibly difficult to find players that honor their word.
So, against my better judgement, and for anyone who is still reading, I suggest you simply don't pay ransoms. If your pod gets caught, hopefully you have enough isk to replace your clone because there are very few of us original "pirates" left, and unfortunately we aren't pirates anymore...we simply live for the pvp. If I catch you, go ahead and pay me because I'll let you go ( )...but all those other guys... well, spout some **** in local and go back to carebearing ;]
Let the flaming begin. ^^
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Jonasan Mikio
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Posted - 2011.04.05 00:59:00 -
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/bow
Thank you! I was just ranting on Ts about this the other day!
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.04.05 01:50:00 -
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Tear harvesting > E-Honor
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Un Khanni
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Posted - 2011.04.05 02:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Patient 2428190
Tear harvesting > E-Honor
Yes, that is the problem, isn't it?
I agree with the OP, I have always kept my word when offering a ransom, and never even thought to go back on my word. If the ransom was paid, the pilot went free to fight, or run, again.
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Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.05 03:39:00 -
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Welcome to the sandbox. Everyone has their own way of playing.
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Lucia Wilber
Minmatar
Our Own Pirate Society
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Posted - 2011.04.05 04:12:00 -
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For a lot of these people, e-peen is more important than e-honor.
I don't usually request ransoms, I just blow peoples' ships up. However, the act of asking for a ransom and then blowing a ship up is childish. That's it. You can call it "your way of playing the game" if that somehow makes you feel justified. Woo for you, but there's a boundary between playing the game and being a tool, and if you demand ransoms and then don't honor them, you're a tool.
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Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.05 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lucia Wilber
For a lot of these people, e-peen is more important than e-honor.
I don't usually request ransoms, I just blow peoples' ships up. However, the act of asking for a ransom and then blowing a ship up is childish. That's it. You can call it "your way of playing the game" if that somehow makes you feel justified. Woo for you, but there's a boundary between playing the game and being a tool, and if you demand ransoms and then don't honor them, you're a tool.
I've yet to dishonor a ransom, but I am not opposed to it. If I want to tell other people how to play their game, I should be paying for their subscription.
About this imaginary boundary that you just pulled out of your ass, please tell me more.
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Lucia Wilber
Minmatar
Our Own Pirate Society
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Posted - 2011.04.05 07:54:00 -
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If you ask for a ransom then you shoot them anyway, you're a tool.
I'm not telling anyone how to play the game. Feel free to insult peoples' mothers in local, throw racial slurs and threaten them with real life violence. You can do whatever you want...but some things make you a tool, that's all.
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Major Slaphead
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Posted - 2011.04.05 08:06:00 -
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There is no rule that states you must use honor 
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Lucia Wilber
Minmatar
Our Own Pirate Society
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Posted - 2011.04.05 08:16:00 -
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Who said anything about rules? There doesn't have to be a rule about being an a**hole to know what constitutes being an a**hole.
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Triksterism
Spacecataz.
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Posted - 2011.04.05 08:18:00 -
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Back in 2003 there were actually people in lowsec to ransom. Unless you're in a fleet, a real ransom is difficult to come by when almost all of low-sec is other pirates or FW. I don't know about you, but I don't have time to ransom between snagging kills and running from incoming blobs / dishonor.
90% of 'piracy' these days consists of sneaking some FW mission kills or snagging some haulers dumb enough to venture into lowsec (lol Amamake).
Flashy pirates chest bumping with other pirates in lowsec, having a contest to see who can keep the -10 without popping the occasional belt/gate rat.
/tiredrant
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Lucia Wilber
Minmatar
Our Own Pirate Society
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Posted - 2011.04.05 08:25:00 -
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Agreed, and as I mentioned I almost never demand a ransom anymore...it's a waste of time. It was something I did in high sec after beating a mission runner down into structure, but that's not something I pursue anymore.
But if I'm going to go through the trouble of ransoming someone, I honor it...if I don't intend to honor it, I don't waste my time with it. The amount of money you get from it is rarely worth the time, and in the off chance it is, if you blow them up they're not likely to pay the ransom next time...and yes, I have ransomed the same person more than once before.
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Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.05 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lucia Wilber
If you ask for a ransom then you shoot them anyway, you're a tool.
I'm not telling anyone how to play the game. Feel free to insult peoples' mothers in local, throw racial slurs and threaten them with real life violence. You can do whatever you want...but some things make you a tool, that's all.
But why? Give an actual reason why I should honor ransoms, other than to avoid being a "tool" as defined by you, as if that actually meant something.
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Steve Seninard
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Posted - 2011.04.05 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Brusanan
Originally by: Lucia Wilber
If you ask for a ransom then you shoot them anyway, you're a tool.
I'm not telling anyone how to play the game. Feel free to insult peoples' mothers in local, throw racial slurs and threaten them with real life violence. You can do whatever you want...but some things make you a tool, that's all.
But why? Give an actual reason why I should honor ransoms, other than to avoid being a "tool" as defined by you, as if that actually meant something.
Are you really this ignorant or are you just pretending to be (roleplaying)?
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Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.05 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Brusanan on 05/04/2011 11:38:06
Originally by: Steve Seninard
Are you really this ignorant or are you just pretending to be (roleplaying)?
The usual reason people give for honoring ransoms is that it turns people off from paying ransoms in the future, thus hurting my income, or the income of other pirates.
If I am hurting my income, that is my own business. I don't see why any of you should care. And you don't. Admit it, you couldn't care less about my income, and you have no reason to. The main reason pirates hate it when people dishonor ransoms is because it hurts their income.
But why the **** should I care about your income? I have no problem blowing up miners. I have no problem blowing up mission runners. I don't care about hurting their income. I infiltrate corps and steal their isk, or gank their members, and I don't care about them either. Now why am I concerned about your income? What makes you different from these others? The only people I care about are in my alliance, with a few select blues outside the alliance. If you aren't one of them, you are fair game.
Seriously, I could spend years griefing carebears and the pirates couldn't care less, and then the minute I do something that might hurt other pirates, suddenly I'm a bad person. The hypocrisy here is ridiculous.
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That being said, I have never dishonored a ransom, and I have no plans to do so anytime soon. But I honor ransoms for my own gain. I don't give a **** about you, and whether or not I honor ransoms is really none of your concern.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.04.05 11:49:00 -
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Dishonouring ransoms is the most foolish of things.
It's killing your own business, it's one of the few things that makes me rage, as it harms the profession as a whole.
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Valkyriane
Blood Money Inc.
The Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.05 11:55:00 -
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There are still honorable pirates in lowsec. Black rabbits, us and quite many corporations tbh. But one bad egg.....
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Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.05 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Helicity Boson
Dishonouring ransoms is the most foolish of things.
It's killing your own business, it's one of the few things that makes me rage, as it harms the profession as a whole.
Right, but you still haven't answered my questions.
1) Why should you care about my business?
2) Why should I care about your business?
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Steve Seninard
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Posted - 2011.04.05 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Brusanan
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Dishonouring ransoms is the most foolish of things.
It's killing your own business, it's one of the few things that makes me rage, as it harms the profession as a whole.
Right, but you still haven't answered my questions.
1) Why should you care about my business?
2) Why should I care about your business?
DUH! Because that pilot that I let go may be your next victim. If I had podded him then he might tell you to GFY. He may tell all his corpies to do the same. It's called networking.
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Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.04.05 12:18:00 -
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What happened.. I kinda think it's obvious.. EVE is infested with the "U Mad" types or better yet people more worried about KB high score (ie KM *****s) instead of looking for GF's.. In-fact "GF" is now just a troll comment rather than a experience.
Low sec piracy is dead for the most part anyway. Low sec is just filled with gankers and weekend warriors (ie: high sec cearbear station/gate humping types). You had it right when you said you are low sec PVPer, as to be a pirate you really need worthwhile targets for ransom or loot drops and TBH low sec has little to offer in that these days.
I'd say at this point WH's likely offer the best opportunity for being a pie and after that null sec. Simple reason is you will actually find worth while targets to ransom and not some 5 day old noob ratting in a cruiser with 5 different gun types with a civilian shield booster paired with armor/hull tank.
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Cartheron Crust
Matari Exodus
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Posted - 2011.04.05 12:23:00 -
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Remove killmails from the game. |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.05 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Seninard
DUH! Because that pilot that I let go may be your next victim. If I had podded him then he might tell you to GFY. He may tell all his corpies to do the same.
That still doesn't answer my questions.
If I am ransoming someone, why would I care if he tells you to go **** yourself after I am done with him? And if he doesn't pay me because you got to him first, congrats on beating me to it. That's Eve.
And what is the difference between ruining your pirating experience, and ruining some carebear's mining or missioning experience? I don't see the difference. You are just the pirate equivalent of some whiny carebear complaining that some guy blew up his fancy mission ship.
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It's called networking.
I don't want to network. I couldn't care less about you, as I stated more than once. And I don't see how me not caring about your game experience is any different than you not caring about your victim's game experience.
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Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.04.05 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Cartheron Crust
Remove killmails from the game.
Wouldn't change much TBH..
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Kale Kold
V i r u s
Pendulum of Doom
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Posted - 2011.04.05 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kale Kold on 05/04/2011 12:42:44
I've conducted over a hundred ransoms and i've always kept my word and let them go if they pay. So there are some real pirates left. 
I've even given them the ransom back if they go pop accidentally (through bad communication, lag, etc). The largest we gave back was about 600 mil.
To be honest, this is what piracy is, its all about the loot, so you want to treat them nice when they pay because you might catch 'em again tomorrow! The most we got was a guy 5 times, and guess what, he paid five times. Do you think he would of paid another four times if we popped him the first time?
People who pop after a ransom are not pirates to be honest, they're scammers because they've gone back on their word. Nothing wrong with scammers but don't call yourself pirates.
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Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.05 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Brusanan on 05/04/2011 12:48:35
Edited by: Brusanan on 05/04/2011 12:47:39
Originally by: Mutnin
Originally by: Cartheron Crust
Remove killmails from the game.
Wouldn't change much TBH..
Personally, I couldn't care less about killboard stats. I tend to nerf my main's points with tons of high point-value losses from suicide ganks, and I have a bunch of cheap disposable ship losses that could have been avoided if I cared more about killboard stats than getting fights. And a person who is completely terrible at PVP could easily get impressive looking killboard stats just by playing ******ed highsec docking and neut RR games, or canflipping noobs for low-risk, high point-value kills. Killboard stats are completely meaningless.
That being said, removing killmails will remove some of the competitive aspects of the game, and also make it harder to keep track of fights, wars, kill history, etc. It would screw up many, many aspects of the game, for almost no gain at all.
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Ezekeil Rage
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Posted - 2011.04.05 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Brusanan
And if he doesn't pay me because you got to him first, congrats on beating me to it. That's Eve.
Your primary goal obviously isn't extracting ransoms from victims. That's fine. It is the goal of other people, and that's why their perspectives are different. By nature, they are pirates who PvP. You are a PvPer who pirates.
Expecting non-similar outlooks to agree methods of operation when the end-goal is different is unreasonable.
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Diesel47
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Posted - 2011.04.05 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Kold
Edited by: Kale Kold on 05/04/2011 12:42:44
People who pop after a ransom are not pirates to be honest, they're scammers because they've gone back on their word. Nothing wrong with scammers but don't call yourself pirates.
This is correct.
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Steve Seninard
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Posted - 2011.04.05 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Brusanan
Originally by: Steve Seninard
DUH! Because that pilot that I let go may be your next victim. If I had podded him then he might tell you to GFY. He may tell all his corpies to do the same.
That still doesn't answer my questions.
If I am ransoming someone, why would I care if he tells you to go **** yourself after I am done with him? And if he doesn't pay me because you got to him first, congrats on beating me to it. That's Eve.
And what is the difference between ruining your pirating experience, and ruining some carebear's mining or missioning experience? I don't see the difference. You are just the pirate equivalent of some whiny carebear complaining that some guy blew up his fancy mission ship.
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It's called networking.
I don't want to network. I couldn't care less about you, as I stated more than once. And I don't see how me not caring about your game experience is any different than you not caring about your victim's game experience.
I gave you a reason as to why it would benefit you. You've ignored logic and common sense. That's fine by me. You can play however you want. Scam away. Whatever floats your boat.
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Xavier Zedicus
Paradigm Council
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Posted - 2011.04.05 14:09:00 -
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Edited by: Xavier Zedicus on 05/04/2011 14:12:08
I honor my rasoms always.
However with the last two ransoms I arranged, the belt rats I neglected to account for got other ideas! I refunded the first victim of thrid party npc acction his random because it was my fault the noc's weren't eliminated after he agreed to cease fire. Kn the second occasion the victim was piped before paying, so I gave him the bounty from the rat that killed him as retribution.
In my exoerience you cannot ransom people who are in low sec with the intention of pvp because they don't pay (fair enough), you should only waste your time with lowsec-noobs and RPer's.
I find the biggest reason my friends and corpmates can't get ransoms is they always aak to much! You need to present a bargain for the captive!
The most important thing to getting ransom paid is making it cheap. Really cheap. Like 25% or less of the ships value so it becomes more prudent than insurance. If they say they don't have the money. Pop them and grab the pod and ask for the same price, they can pay now thanks to insurance! |
Grimwalius d'Antan
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.05 14:31:00 -
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"Piracy is dead". Well, at least that is what they are saying on the forums. I'd say for as long as people post threads like these (and they certainly will), it will mean piracy wasn't actually dead yesteryear because people are constantly discovering that "fact". Five years from now, someone will redeem 2011 by claiming piracy died much later.
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