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Alex Hinkelmann Caldari Ishukone-Raata Corporate Investment Bank Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.04.07 11:15:00 - [1] Ishukone-Raata Enforcement Directive Release: CVA / I-RED Standings. This is a immediate release on behalf of the Ishukone-Raata High Command, and orders of Taisho Revenent. Due to a overdue transaction, and agreement made by past leadership of the Curatores Veritatis Alliance. Of a sum of 15.895.000.000 ISK worth of Capital Components for a planned Nyx Mothership construction project under the leadership of Executor Lonewolfnight, which Ishukone-Raata was contracted to complete while stationed in Shintaht mid YC 111. With a fixed interest rate after December of YC 111, bringing the capped sum to 20.000.000.000. Ishukone-Raata has stood strong in the belief that the contract would be paid in full after the set date, after talks under Lonewolfnights, and Aralis leaderships of CVA continued to be difficult, and later even ignored the debt. We continued talks with CVA under new leadership of Lord Hardin which directly have not been responded to, even after fair payment plans were offered (Which would have ended in the year of YC 116). A representative of CVA was contacted and has stated that under a 72 hour period (Which has passed) his alliance would refuse to "investigate" the said debt under neutral standings, if Ishukone-Raata refused to place them and the Amarrian Bloc to positive standings. Such a strong arming tactic was ignored. "Our agreement may be declared void in the eyes of the Curatores Veritatis Alliance, but such a act has placed a stain on your integrity. We have been more then fair in our timetable, since day one your alliance planned to exploit since the agreement was made. You have again proven that you are no ally of Ishukone-Raata and not worthy of State business. As of this moment Ishukone-Raata has set Curatores Veritatis Alliance to negative five standings. We warn investors and organizations with economical interests to be careful with CVA." - John Revenent, Ishukone-Raata Executor.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.04.07 11:43:00 - [2] Ah. I am glad that I-RED has gone public about this. For clarification, I have known about this situation for a while, as I have been privileged to have been privy to much of I-RED's confidential information, in or out of the alliance. It was certainly a strong temptation to reveal the details myself, but out of respect for John and I-RED, I have kept their secrets for them. Now, I no longer need to, and I can clarify that quite apart from their support of the Empire's utterly reprehensible, barbaric culture, this is a large contributor to the deep contempt I hold for the loyalist bloc. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Diana Kim Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.07 11:55:00 - [3] Originally by: Alex Hinkelmann "...You have again proven that you are no ally of Ishukone-Raata and not worthy of State business.... " - John Revenent, Ishukone-Raata Executor. The I-RED alliance have no rights to talk on behalf of the State, taking into account the recent events: setting positive standings to Federation military corporations, resetting standing with Amarrian Bloc to neutral and declaring war on Caldari military forces. Whichever party they might represent, it is not the State anymore. D.Kim, Colonel --- We live and die for the State
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:01:00 - [4] Originally by: Diana Kim Whichever party they might represent, it is not the State anymore It's amusing you believe you have any right to decide who talks on behalf of the State. Who are you, a member of the CEP? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Derena Del'thul	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:09:00 - [5] Edited by: Derena Del''thul on 07/04/2011 12:10:21 Interesting. While I'll agree with the sentiment that I-RED are indeed not the State itself, they are definitely exquisite examples of State philosophy. Take care of one's own first, then consider external politics second. The former dictating the latter, rather than the other way around. This is a heartening development from a State aligned entity and I must admit I am intrigued. While I will not subscribe to the arrogant notion that I can truly affect these things much, I would like to extend my interest in strengthening this choice of alignment by offering to invest in this capsuleer arm of Ishukone. If this might be desirable, let me know and I will look forwards to negotiating a possible strengthening of relations. Derena Del'thul Trader and Investor on behalf of the Horned Masquerade. ------------ Weapons and ships are all well and good... but they all cost ISK. I'll make a far greater impact than any combat pilot, as the very substance of power flow through my fingers like san
Dex Kivuli Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:13:00 - [6] Edited by: Dex Kivuli on 07/04/2011 12:14:33 Originally by: Diana Kim The I-RED alliance have no rights to talk on behalf of the State Granted I-Red has no right to talk on behalf of the State. However, they do have a right - and some may argue a duty - to inform all other State entities of impropriety that they have encountered. Further, I don't believe there were speaking on behalf of the State; rather, they were simply asserting that they had encountered behaviour which was inconsistent with what a State corporation would expect. This activity gives further credence to my beliefs about the Amarr Empire: they treat us Caldari like slaver hounds. As long as we do exactly as we're told they toss us scraps. But as soon as we exercise our own will, they don't even give us what we have been promised. In fact, from the sounds of the activity above, the payments were overdue even when relations were cordial. We did not leave the Gallente for this. The fruits of the labours of the Caldari people should not accrue to the Amarr elite.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:23:00 - [7] What never fails to astonish me is that people expect an organization that exists to perpetrate acts of imperialist repression declaring non-Amarrians as mere chattel to their religious fetish would actually honour the value of a given word or business compact. Is incredible really. CVA have always put the Jita scammers to shame. Join the Revolution!
Vaari Amarr Imperial Pharmacy	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:27:00 - [8] If I remember right, someone in CVA leadership called me a thief when I confiscated their BPO since they declared my korporation to kos. This beginning. This birth of life. This dawn of greatness. I can not fail, for I have the Emperor to lead me and destiny to follow. undefined
Diana Kim Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:32:00 - [9] Andreus Ixiris And what amuses me, is a person that lacks arguments and relies on ad personam, forgetting that it is a rude logical fault. But for you have asked, I reply. I am a soldier of the State. I am not pretending to help the State with hollow words, in fact I help it with actions, actually fighting and destroying enemies of the State. I am ready to pay with my life to protect the State. And those, who are you protecting, are now hiding themselves behind Federation banners. They are enemies of the State. I will fire at them while I have ammo. If I can't fire them anymore, I will ram them. If I can't use my ship, I will hit them. If they kill me, I will explode myself burning them. I will do whatever I can to deal with them FOR THE STATE! D.Kim, Colonel --- We live and die for the State
Borza Slavak Minmatar Universal Army	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:40:00 - [10] Pathetic. You're willing to treat CVA as hostile when they refuse to give you owed isk yet have happily ignored their immoral imperialist practices for years.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Jade Constantine What never fails to astonish me is that people expect an organization that exists to perpetrate acts of imperialist repression declaring non-Amarrians as mere chattel to their religious fetish would actually honour the value of a given word or business compact. While in essence, yes, these concerns about Imperial loyalists are correct, I have thematically similar if semantically different concerns regarding anarchism, but I don't judge Star Fraction based on those (or at least, not entirely). My main cause for surprise is that I assumed that CVA had, if not any respect for its partners, enough business sense, or hell, just self-preservation instinct to realise that stealing from their business partners would inevitably earn them a reputation for doing so, and such a reputation would not be conducive to long-term prosperity. Then again, when we're discussing self-preservation instinct, this is the same alliance who declared war on AAA when it was already overextended and suffering from difficulties with its satellite domains... ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Dex Kivuli Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Borza Slavak Pathetic. You're willing to treat CVA as hostile when they refuse to give you owed isk yet have happily ignored their immoral imperialist practices for years. It's not I-Red's responsibility to protect all people in New Eden. State citizens look out for State citizens. Profit is to be maximised. The good of the corp is what matters. What happens to a person here or there is of little consequence.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Diana Kim I am not pretending to help the State with hollow words, in fact I help it with actions, actually fighting and destroying enemies of the State. Originally by: Diana Kim And those, who are you protecting, are now hiding themselves behind Federation banners. They are enemies of the State. "Those of you who are attacking Gallenteans right now, you are enemies of this State." - Otro Gariushi Remember that the Federation is an enemy of the State right now because of the invasion of our territory launched under the command of a dictator who has assumed centralised control of your State - a war which parts of the State's leadership think is being mishandled. Originally by: Diana Kim I am ready to pay with my life to protect the State. I will fire at them while I have ammo. If I can't fire them anymore, I will ram them. If I can't use my ship, I will hit them. If they kill me, I will explode myself burning them. I will do whatever I can to deal with them FOR THE STATE! You're an unflinching sociopath and an insane fanatic, howling for I-RED's blood while I-RED is making every effort to bring the second Gallente-Caldari war to a peaceful conclusion. If it were down to you, I'm certain you'd sacrifice every Caldari son and daughter and every last penny in the State's coffers to feed your delusions. Who's the true enemy of the State here? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.07 13:44:00 - [14] We've only heard one version of events of so far, and I have a suspicion that the other half the story will completely change it. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Borza Slavak Minmatar Universal Army	Posted - 2011.04.07 13:46:00 - [15] Originally by: Dex Kivuli Originally by: Borza Slavak Pathetic. You're willing to treat CVA as hostile when they refuse to give you owed isk yet have happily ignored their immoral imperialist practices for years. It's not I-Red's responsibility to protect all people in New Eden. State citizens look out for State citizens. Profit is to be maximised. The good of the corp is what matters. What happens to a person here or there is of little consequence. Well, yes. Such amorality is what I was calling pathetic.
Kahar Dex Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.07 13:47:00 - [16] It is highly unfortunate that this has happened. Here is what happened: 1) Creetalor, Taisho Revenent's assistant of a very professional manner, asked me kindly to look into a debt of 20b which the CVA owed to I-RED. This was given during a summary diplomatic meeting with I-RED requesting information on the MxM issue, for the purpose of compiling a report, and sending it to Lord Hardin and all Greater Amarria Corporate heads (which they can attest to). No promise was made to I-RED other than, that I would look into the matter. I-RED requested a 24 notice period for their directorate to confer about the MxM issue. 2) 22 hours passed, and I was informed that there would be a delay in deliberations amongst the I-RED directorate due to schedule conflicts. 3) Roughly after 27 hours of the initial meeting with Creetalor, I asked for another audience with her, simply to ask if there were any updates, as I had planned on submitting an update dispatch to all Greater Amarria Corporate heads. She then summoned Taisho Revenent. - Taisho Revenent gave his decree: to sever ties with the Amarrian loyalist bloc. I asked what could be done to improve relations, however John Revenent ignored this and without any consideration to the question simply asked me to relay the message. 4) Given Taisho Revenent's decision to abruptly sever ties with the entire Amarrian Loyalist bloc, I sent him notice that I would suspend my personal investigation into the matter until normative relations are re-established, since afterall CVA clergy are not tasked with looking into financial matters with entities who actively seek to sever ties. Coincidentally, the results of my investigation did indeed arrive, however I felt it would be inappropriate for anyone aside for Lord Hardin or Senior Diplomat to attend to the matter given I-RED's most recent actions. And what were the results of my investigation? I will simply echo my sentiments above. This will be tended to no doubt by either a Senior CVA diplomat, or Lord Hardin himself who is currently planet-side tending to some very sick family members. But I will say this: the fact that I-RED has gone so far, bodes extremely ill. Especially given what I myself have uncovered. Let the public know, that I-RED's public statement does not contain all of the facts. The CVA remains above reproach in this matter.
Kahar Dex Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.07 13:49:00 - [17] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Ah. I am glad that I-RED has gone public about this. For clarification, I have known about this situation for a while, as I have been privileged to have been privy to much of I-RED's confidential information, in or out of the alliance. It was certainly a strong temptation to reveal the details myself, but out of respect for John and I-RED, I have kept their secrets for them. Now, I no longer need to, and I can clarify that quite apart from their support of the Empire's utterly reprehensible, barbaric culture, this is a large contributor to the deep contempt I hold for the loyalist bloc. There is a saying, "It is better to be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." I should commend you Ixiris for not speaking of this earlier (even though I was aware that you already knew) as you likely would have spoken in haste, and the corrections which will be forth coming will have only painted you as a man of hasty generalizations and dismal credibility. But I think what we all can take away from this matter, is that I-RED is allowing Gallente militia such as yourself in on their most privileged information sessions.
Diana Kim Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.07 13:53:00 - [18] sits on big metallic ammo box, cleaning her handgun Andreus Ixiris What, a peace? By declaring a war to their military forces? By signing separate peace treaties with enemy militaries behind their fighting comrades? If there is a peaceful conclusion, these actions won't lead to it anyway. These actions are more like a sabotage or a treason. And what was it about your territory? This was OUR planet. That YOU have bombed. That YOUR military forces captured. And now we got it back and it is OUR again. Hands off. points the handgun to a camera for a sec and continues with cleaning I see you are trying again to get into State's affairs? We get rid of gallentes 200 years ago, and we are doing this now. If you don't understand words "GO AWAY", our guns will be telling it to you until you understand. looks into the barrel and continues with cleaning And again you are applying ad personam by trying to insult me. Well, it's not professional after all, you know that? But it's ok, since I have some time, I will give you a reply on this. So you are calling me insane fanatic? Oh, well. Maybe. But I have something to die for. I have something to fight for. I have something to love. Do you? I feel sorry for all those whose souls are stuck in a religion of emptiness. Emptiness, that they call freedom. Their egocentric views poison their souls, making them mere a puppets or beasts longing for pleasures. reloads the gun Well, after all... Please, get some logic and history classes. Pretty please. It's hard to talk to you until you do it stands up and goes away, leaving the camera to look at lonely ammo box --- We live and die for the State
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.04.07 14:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Diana Kim Well, after all... Please, get some logic and history classes. Pretty please. It's hard to talk to you until you do it After the delusional rant that preceeded this comment, it's quite clear who needs the logic and history classes. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.04.07 14:04:00 - [20] Originally by: Kahar Dex There is a saying, "It is better to be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." It's not a well-known saying among Imperial loyalists, apparently. The entire rest of your statement is an ad hominem leading to the conclusion "it's perfectly acceptable to renege on business agreements if you don't like a signatory's choice of friends". ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Tigerfish Torpedo Underworld Protection Agency South Pole Dancers	Posted - 2011.04.07 14:05:00 - [21] Even a pirate such as I would not stoop to such depths of dishonorable conduct. Whereas the CVA have always looked down upon my actions, for the first time in my life, I can actually maintain the high moral ground and frown upon the actions of such 'righteous' souls. Perhaps the CVA would grant me a small loan with that spare 16 billion? Naturally they can't trust me, but now the question must be asked, who will now trust the word of the CVA? Tigerfish.
Jev North Ghost Festival Naraka.	Posted - 2011.04.07 14:08:00 - [22] Originally by: Diana Kim What are you going to do with that little gun, dear? Kill the camera drone? Blow away a squad of Federal marines? Shoot at the Navy out the window of your shuttle?
Kahar Dex Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.07 14:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Kahar Dex There is a saying, "It is better to be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." It's not a well-known saying among Imperial loyalists, apparently. The entire rest of your statement is an ad hominem leading to the conclusion "it's perfectly acceptable to renege on business agreements if you don't like a signatory's choice of friends". No Ixiris, you are incorrect. What you knew was either only half the story, or untruths to begin with. The fact of the matter that you would jump to the conclusion that their half-truth constitutes a fact to support your notion that all Amarrians are unworthy goes to show your ignorance. I'm amazed at how you would try to defend yourself, even when the primary party involved is stating to you quite clearly, that you are not entirely informed on this matter to be making conclusive statements. Ignorance perpetuated!
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.04.07 14:44:00 - [24] Originally by: Kahar Dex No Ixiris, you are incorrect. I strongly suspect that I'm not, otherwise you wouldn't be getting so defensive about it. Originally by: Kahar Dex What you knew was either only half the story, or untruths to begin with. The fact of the matter that you would jump to the conclusion that their half-truth constitutes a fact to support your notion that all Amarrians are unworthy I believe no such thing. I have Amarrians in my corporation, no less. I merely believe that anyone who believes in the inherent, inalienable moral and spiritual superiority of a race cannot be trusted, as they will, inevitably, without a single exception, use that belief to advance their own position at the direct expense of others. Originally by: Kahar Dex I'm amazed at how you would try to defend yourself, even when the primary party involved is stating to you quite clearly, that you are not entirely informed on this matter to be making conclusive statements. There's nothing else to be informed about on this matter. You owe I-RED a lot of money and you're using my brief tenure with them as a transparent excuse to avoid paying it or even discussing it. We can take away from this that when other creditors come to collect on what you owe (and I imagine with the level of expansion you were performing in Providence prior to your ignominious dethroning, there'll be a lot of them), you will find equally flimsy pretexts to avoid compensating them, as well. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Jon Engel Intaki Security and Intelligence Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.04.07 14:59:00 - [25] Originally by: Borza Slavak Pathetic. You're willing to treat CVA as hostile when they refuse to give you owed isk yet have happily ignored their immoral imperialist practices for years. Well, my man is no your baby daddy. So there.
Kahar Dex Amarr Defensores Fidei Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.07 15:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris I believe no such thing. I have Amarrians in my corporation, no less. I merely believe that anyone who believes in the inherent, inalienable moral and spiritual superiority of a race cannot be trusted, as they will, inevitably, without a single exception, use that belief to advance their own position at the direct expense of others. People who use religion for their own benefit are held in utter contempt by all true faithful. And I fear the term "true faithful" is something you may never come to fully understand. Perhaps if one day you admitted the mere possibility of a supernatural divine force, and the mere possibility that perhaps the God of Amarr is that very divine force, then could we have a truly progressive discussion. Until then, your mind remains closed. Originally by: Andreus Ixiris There's nothing else to be informed about on this matter. Yes there is. Once the information is released, people will see just how utterly foolish and presumptuous you are.
Diana Kim Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.07 15:17:00 - [27] Originally by: Jev North Originally by: Diana Kim What are you going to do with that little gun, dear? Kill the camera drone? Blow away a squad of Federal marines? Shoot at the Navy out the window of your shuttle? Generally, for eyes-to-eyes negotiations. Very very useful tool. And can be used as an argument too. --- We live and die for the State
Rytha Main Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.07 15:18:00 - [28] Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo Even a pirate such as I would not stoop to such depths of dishonorable conduct. Whereas the CVA have always looked down upon my actions, for the first time in my life, I can actually maintain the high moral ground and frown upon the actions of such 'righteous' souls. Perhaps the CVA would grant me a small loan with that spare 16 billion? Naturally they can't trust me, but now the question must be asked, who will now trust the word of the CVA? Tigerfish. Dear Tigerfish Torpedo, I would gently ask you, if at least as a personal favor, to abstain from passing judgement on the CVA, at least until now. As Admiral Blake pointed out, it may not be the full story, and as Overseer Dex has stated, it clearly is not. For the sake of truth, it may be a good idea to wait. Kindest Intentions, Guardian Main Amarr shall triumph for God is her Hero, and we are His champions.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2011.04.07 15:23:00 - [29] Originally by: Kahar Dex People who use religion for their own benefit are held in utter contempt by all true faithful. And I fear the term "true faithful" is something you may never come to fully understand. Perhaps if one day you admitted the mere possibility of a supernatural divine force and the mere possibility that perhaps the God of Amarr is that very divine force, then could we have a truly progressive discussion. Yes, then we could both be entirely wrong, rather than just you. And if CVA has this head-spinning information, why do they not release it? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
claire xxx Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.04.07 15:24:00 - [30] Edited by: claire xxx on 07/04/2011 15:26:24 I find it interesting that people are just finding out that the CVA leadership, among their other crimes, are also thieves. Really people, come on, use your brains. CVA is supporting a system of government based on religion and slavery ... the two biggest and oldest known theft schemes in the universe. Time to wake up. Claire XXX (edited for spelling only)

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