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Galius Zed	Posted - 2011.04.11 02:30:00 - [1] Man, I really hate going up against these things! Thought about a buffer tank Marauder ('cause of the web bonus) and x2 heavy neuts, but doesn't really take care of all those projectiles. And with all those low slots for tracking, I would be grateful for any suggestions on 1v1 elimination of these formidable foes. thx, ~GZ
Herrring Amarr National Quality Breaker	Posted - 2011.04.11 02:37:00 - [2] There is a reason Angel ships are the most used pirate faction ships for pvppppp. You can't keep them from GTFOing on you with equal numbers.
Target Painter Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.11 02:39:00 - [3] Originally by: Galius Zed Man, I really hate going up against these things! Huginn/Rapier + Abaddon.
Herrring Amarr National Quality Breaker	Posted - 2011.04.11 02:42:00 - [4] Originally by: Target Painter Originally by: Galius Zed Man, I really hate going up against these things! Huginn/Rapier + Abaddon. yeah but he said 1v1
Target Painter Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.11 04:28:00 - [5] Originally by: Herrring yeah but he said 1v1 Yeah, I missed that. In theory, Bhaalgorn, but it'd have to be horribly stupid Mach pilot find himself in a position where the Bhaalgorn had him locked down.
Chimaira wolf Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.04.11 04:34:00 - [6] If u can get within 25 - 30 kms bhaalgorn will EFF a macherial up. But thats a big IF. wahh. Applebabe
Mister Agreeable	Posted - 2011.04.11 04:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Target Painter Originally by: Herrring yeah but he said 1v1 What is the fkn point of this topic? Who fights Machariels 1v1? For what reason? WOW style e-honor duels? Blob it with anything if you can find one flying solo, simple as.
Irani Firecam Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.04.11 04:52:00 - [8] Doomsday weapons works great against Machariels. --- Click here for my high resolution renders.
lordlulzs	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:01:00 - [9] Blob of course, the answer in eve is always so clear and shinning.
foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:11:00 - [10] If you are flying a machariel you are also flying your falcon alt. And your loki booster alt. So... For start, how about you get 3 accounts as well? _______________________ The best thing in EvE is Barrage M.

lordlulzs	Posted - 2011.04.11 17:11:00 - [11] Nah, tis better Sliepneir Pilgrim Falcon.
Galius Zed	Posted - 2011.04.11 19:37:00 - [12] Thanks for the interesting suggestion with using a Bhaalgorn...I will have to test that. But, it's looking like with lack of other suggestions, I should just prepare to run, or die from a distance, until I can get projectile books up to snuff and get my own Mach. ~GZ
Jen Tarii	Posted - 2011.04.11 20:06:00 - [13] I fly a Machariel (a total beast of a boat if there ever was one) and I know for a fact a Tengu can kill me. A corp mate and I decided to have a hi-sec, no kill duel, (stopping at armor) to see who would win. The Tengu speed tanked me at 500 meters and despite 4 tracking enhancers in the lows, I was toast. I couldn't hit the Tengu worth a damn. Maybe, if I had a target painter I could have scratched it but then I'm giving up a valuable mid-slot for shield tanking. In comparision, I dueled a corp mate in a Myrmidon and I won that duel even as he kited me up close. I would never PvP with my Machariel as I could not stand the loss of a 800 million isk ship. And do tell, just where in the hell do you find a 1v1 Machariel engagement? The moment a Mach lands in lo-sec, it has a huge kick me sign on its back and I bet my house that in no moments time, that Mach will be gang ****d and in short order, the Mach pilot waking up in his clone.
Jim Tudeski	Posted - 2011.04.11 20:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Jen Tarii I fly a Machariel (a total beast of a boat if there ever was one) and I know for a fact a Tengu can kill me. A corp mate and I decided to have a hi-sec, no kill duel, (stopping at armor) to see who would win. The Tengu speed tanked me at 500 meters and despite 4 tracking enhancers in the lows, I was toast. I couldn't hit the Tengu worth a damn. Maybe, if I had a target painter I could have scratched it but then I'm giving up a valuable mid-slot for shield tanking. In comparision, I dueled a corp mate in a Myrmidon and I won that duel even as he kited me up close. I would never PvP with my Machariel as I could not stand the loss of a 800 million isk ship. And do tell, just where in the hell do you find a 1v1 Machariel engagement? The moment a Mach lands in lo-sec, it has a huge kick me sign on its back and I bet my house that in no moments time, that Mach will be gang **d and in short order, the Mach pilot waking up in his clone. ...4 TEs on a Mach? AND you let a Tengu get within scram range? Jesus, please learn to fly your Mach. A Mach is faster than a Tengu and should never be caught in scram range. Now, say it with me. A Mach is faster than a Tengu and should never be caught in scram range. The only Tengu a Mach isn't faster than is the 100mn MWD Tengu and those are....well, very rare. Maybe you should try putting a MWD on your Mach and learn to fly it so that the next time you have lulz duels in high sec with corp mates, you don't look like a n00b in an expensive ship. P.S. You should never be podded in low sec unless you either have ty internet, a **ty computer or a combination of the 2.
Logitricky	Posted - 2011.04.11 20:53:00 - [15] Another march?
Theodoric Darkwind Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.12 00:10:00 - [16] Bring friends?
Otorp Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.12 09:14:00 - [17] Edited by: Otorp on 12/04/2011 09:14:44 Just Out DPS them... Sounds obvious but they aren't THAT Imba, A while Ago I had a Guildy who killed one using nothing but a thorax in a Genuine 1vs1 PvP Fight. It was simply a matter of having better skills. (Ingame skill points AND PvP Skills.) Simple things like Matching their Transversal etc for the larger hits. The reason they cost lots is their avialability, NOT their prowess. Remeber the BPC used to drop many years ago from a 6/10 complex... as a result they cost 350 mill to buy... and the stats have not changed ! Get over your initial fear and get a decent fit BS , and smack the poo out of it :)
Target Painter Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.12 10:00:00 - [18] Edited by: Target Painter on 12/04/2011 10:02:40 Originally by: Otorp The reason they cost lots is their avialability, NOT their prowess. Remeber the BPC used to drop many years ago from a 6/10 complex... as a result they cost 350 mill to buy... and the stats have not changed ! Completely untrue. Dominion Patch Notes As for simply out-DPSing a Mach, that isn't hard, what is hard is getting it into a position where A) it will actually stick around to fight and B) it won't simply walk away when things go badly. At least when solo in something other than another Mach.
pink boss	Posted - 2011.04.12 11:45:00 - [19] falcon + rifter. BECAUSE OF FALCON.
Rick Starkiller	Posted - 2011.04.12 13:09:00 - [20] How about a Dramiel ? If he is in Space he will die a slow Death

Zerp Metesur	Posted - 2011.04.12 16:40:00 - [21] The problem isn't beating them in an engagement, there are lots of ships which can spank them. The OP is asking about actually destroying the ship 1v1 which isn't really going to happen. Nothing fast enough to catch a mach before it aligns is powerful enough to destroy it solo.
Millie Clode Amarr Insert Cool Name Here	Posted - 2011.04.12 17:36:00 - [22] 1v1 against a Machariel is simple. You just need your Falcon alt, your logistics alt and your fleet booster alt on hand. ---------- Who, me?
Deerin Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.13 10:30:00 - [23] There are many variables. But for a strict 1v1 you might want to try a nano rigged lachesis with a lse, sensor dampeners, long point, drones, heavy missiles, smart bomb for anti drone duty and a cap booster to power all these modules.....and hope that you can kill your enemy before running out of cap boosters. It is a long shot, but could be doable with some fine piloting. ------------------------------------------- Die Amarr Die!!!
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.04.13 20:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Jim Tudeski .... P.S. You should *never* be podded in low sec unless you either have **ty internet, a **ty computer or a combination of the 2. Or unless a smarty phoon lands on you, or unless you lag out and a dual sebo/sda stilly gets you. Better lesson is the same as it's always been: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose and don't fit expensive implants if you're scared of losing em.
Izuru Hishido Amarr Reikoku Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.04.15 19:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Galius Zed Man, I really hate going up against these things! Thought about a buffer tank Marauder ('cause of the web bonus) and x2 heavy neuts, but doesn't really take care of all those projectiles. And with all those low slots for tracking, I would be grateful for any suggestions on 1v1 elimination of these formidable foes. thx, ~GZ Simple answer: DD it. Problem solved. ----------------- "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."
Amber Accelerando	Posted - 2011.04.15 23:30:00 - [26] Shooting at it usually has the best rate of success!
Gibbo5771	Posted - 2011.04.16 11:08:00 - [27] Any amarr BS with t2 guns and huge buffer will scare him off. Force him away with scorch. Baddon will hurt a lot and no way he can stick around for 140-200k ehp worth of damage :)
Bruce Kemp Minmatar The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2011.04.17 18:56:00 - [28] Edited by: Bruce Kemp on 17/04/2011 18:56:29 3x Stealth Bombers link Originally by: Lady Spank Minmatar born, Minmatar bred, Strong in the arm, Thick in the head.
Ulwithy Arillious Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.04.17 19:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Irani Firecam Doomsday weapons works great against Machariels. I've seen a titan take out an unprobeable gate-camp Nightmare with it's turrets. I believe some bit of EvE wizardry was required.
Jamie Banks Quantum Horizons	Posted - 2011.04.17 23:14:00 - [30] Any AF/Interceptor with a nosferatu, Web and Scram. Nosferatu to keep your web scram going. (Or cap booster) Need enough DPS to kill its passive shield regen. Enough base speed to speed tank. Need to kill the Mach's Drones. Web is required to give you enough time for you to get a nosferatu cycle of and re-apply your scram before he reaches 75% of his speed again. Ishkur would do it nicely. The main issue is any Mach pilot worth his salt won't let a frig get under his guns. _______________________________ Join in-game Channel 'Aussies' AU/NZ Corp Register

Mnementh2231	Posted - 2011.04.24 15:13:00 - [31] I guess it depends on if the Mach your fighting has a fail tank or not? Put a jesus christ buffer on a hyperion, with t2 neutron's and the longer ranged t2 ammo, thats what i use to crack nightmares. give it a go?
RumpyPumpy	Posted - 2011.04.25 09:28:00 - [32] Machariel vs Frigates Kill
Dmarc	Posted - 2011.04.25 15:04:00 - [33] Originally by: Galius Zed Man, I really hate going up against these things! Thought about a buffer tank Marauder ('cause of the web bonus) and x2 heavy neuts, but doesn't really take care of all those projectiles. And with all those low slots for tracking, I would be grateful for any suggestions on 1v1 elimination of these formidable foes. thx, ~GZ a Mach is a tuff one, i would hazzard a guess at some EWAR maybe tracking diruptors or something. apart from that 1v1 a Mach ........... F@#k that!
Jen Tarii	Posted - 2011.04.25 20:06:00 - [34] Originally by: RumpyPumpy Machariel vs Frigates Kill Oh the stupids, they burn. Your link is to a 12 to 1 Machariel fight. Of course it was hosed. Any battleship fighting 12 ships is going to die even with perfect skills. The OP was interested in what ship to counter the Mach with. Not a group of ships, but solo.
Boyd Edison	Posted - 2011.04.25 21:52:00 - [35] The best way to beat the mach 1v1? Complain on the forums until it gets nerfed. The ship is way, way out of line.
Aydala Minmatar Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap	Posted - 2011.04.27 01:38:00 - [36] Originally by: Boyd Edison The best way to beat the mach 1v1? Complain on the forums until it gets nerfed. The ship is way, way out of line. Its almost impossible to beat 1v1. Note....I said almost impossible. ANother machi would certainly give it a run for its money. a Bs that MWD's at over 2000k a second with the the projectile bonuses.....I usually orbit mine at 35-40k and just unleash hell.... just saying.
ScoRpS 0utbreak HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.04.28 07:26:00 - [37] A Huggin with 2 webs and a scram and a TD. A Curse with a web and scram and a TD. There's probably lots of ships that are capable with right mods and conditions. Pin it down, disable turrets and kill its drones...
Stygian Knight Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.04.28 08:19:00 - [38] eve is never 1v1 so there is no point in finding good 1v1 counter. (and all those movies you have watched of "1vs1" or "1 vs blob" are always 4-5 characters hidden in that "1" (command ship alt, hauler alt for boosters, falcon alt... etc)
foksieloy Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.28 09:54:00 - [39] Originally by: Stygian Knight (and all those movies you have watched of "1vs1" or "1 vs blob" are always 4-5 characters hidden in that "1" (command ship alt, hauler alt for boosters, falcon alt... etc) Thats still 1. _______________________ The best thing in EvE is Barrage M.
Andy Landen Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.29 18:51:00 - [40] Here is an idea. AB Hyena with 2 webs and a disruptor orbiting at 15-20 kms. Take out drones, then hold until people see the vulnerable target and strike. Hope that light drones pop before they can catch up with or track you. Funny that no one considers themselves evil, even while caught in the thick of it.

Dr Fighter	Posted - 2011.04.29 22:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Andy Landen Here is an idea. AB Hyena with 2 webs and a disruptor orbiting at 15-20 kms. Take out drones, then hold until people see the vulnerable target and strike. Hope that light drones pop before they can catch up with or track you. mach pionts and nuets hyena, moves away/toward to reduce transversal, blam.
Aznwithbeard Minmatar OMGROFLSTOMP	Posted - 2011.04.30 17:36:00 - [42] as reply to the OP, pretty much any other faction BS will kill it, or make it run away. Nightmare less so, but if u can get a web/scram/whatever on it (bhall or vindi) its toast. Guns don't kill people. onowait.
Pneumon Blaster Quondam Souls of the Universe corporation R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.05.01 22:29:00 - [43] experience tells me that best way to beat machariel is to kill it.
Hustle Fighter Caldari Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2011.05.01 23:03:00 - [44] Here's how a happy gang of pie killed an evil Amarr Militia Machariel in Auga on May 1 - for a whopping 2 billion isk loss. Munnin and Zealots ftw. For those who really don't like the Amarr, it was a happy day indeed. For freedom \o/ Amarr KB: http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=206618
2ippy Amarr Nova Ardour	Posted - 2011.05.02 05:49:00 - [45] Edited by: 2ippy on 02/05/2011 05:49:25 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9567095 Just sayin'
AdamusMaximus	Posted - 2011.05.02 17:17:00 - [46] Edited by: AdamusMaximus on 02/05/2011 17:17:52 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7899051 just to point out its easy to catch stupid pilots off guard with the all mighty ferox specifically probed it in my ferox...quite easy with good probeskills and ferox has enough tank to hold his sniping while scan cycles [Ferox, Heavytank] Co-Processor II Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Expanded Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hornet EC-300 x5 oh and i put projectiles jus cos of preference since they r better when ur caught by smaller ships...i find they track way better than hybrids.


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