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Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.04.14 09:10:00 - [1] Just interested if anyone else knows about this and if it is intended at all.... 1. Warp to a place near to a planet like a gate (few hundred km should work) 2. Align to the planet at full speed (you will align directly to the planet bracket/icon) 3. Warp to the planet (you will now re-align to a different location before warping) So if you are pre-aligned to the planet from the gate you will not insta-warp. Instead your ship will re-align some off in a different direction and then warp. If the re-align is small then you will effectively insta-warp, however, if you are very close to the planet and especially in something slow to align then you will not. I have some screen shots below. I am a little further away from the planet so the effect is less but still noticeable. Aligned Warping
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.14 09:28:00 - [2] it has been like that since I can remember. ...and I've been playing for like 8 years already. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Qoi Exert Force	Posted - 2011.04.14 09:37:00 - [3] I think what simply happens is that if you "align", you are flying towards the center of the planet. Which kinda makes sense. In eve the "warp in" spots for celestials are fixed and a big distance away from the center of the celestial tho (thankfully). I'd open a bug report about this, it seems easy to reproduce.
Gavjack Bunk Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.04.14 09:44:00 - [4] Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 14/04/2011 09:46:39 Originally by: Wacktopia 2. Align to the planet at full speed (you will align directly to the planet bracket/icon) Originally by: Grimpak it has been like that since I can remember. ...and I've been playing for like 8 years already. Something is borken. Is there a discrepancy in terms here? Also, when I use the Align To function, I don't get an re-alignment errors. It aligns to the designated planet spot which isn't where the bracket is in space. Although I've never had to cause to notice if what I just said is true, because it's always appeared to work.
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.14 10:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Qoi I think what simply happens is that if you "align", you are flying towards the center of the planet. Which kinda makes sense. In eve the "warp in" spots for celestials are fixed and a big distance away from the center of the celestial tho (thankfully). Yep that's all that is happening. Makes no difference functionally unless you're VERY close to the warp-in/planet.
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.14 10:06:00 - [6] Originally by: Gavjack Bunk Although I've never had to cause to notice if what I just said is true, because it's always appeared to work. It isn't. You'd be extremely unlikely to notice the effect unless you're close to the warp-in/planet. Easy way to demonstrate this is : 1) Align to planet and WTZ; 2) Now fly away from the warp-in and the planet - try not to fly directly away, fly parallel/slightly away from planet; 3) When your align button is usable again then align to the planet. You should see that you align to the centre of the planet and not the warp-in point you just came from.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.04.14 10:39:00 - [7] Perhaps I've just noticed it because last night my planet align and actual warp were something like 90degrees out and I was trying to get off gate and thinking "wtf is going on here?!!?!" Didn't log a bug yet because I wasn't sure if it was intended. The bug page just says to log issues 'you consider serious', which initially I do not.
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.14 10:47:00 - [8] The alternative would probably be worse. You'd have loads of people saying "wtf can't I align to the planet, I'm aligned to some random empty bit of space"
Gavjack Bunk Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.04.14 11:02:00 - [9] Is there a difference between clicking the bracket for say Planet 4 then clicking align, and selecting Align To Planet IV ?
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.14 11:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Gavjack Bunk Is there a difference between clicking the bracket for say Planet 4 then clicking align, and selecting Align To Planet IV ? Not AFAIK but you've made me wonder about the right-click menu option, I'll look after DT. I have a gtfo tab with nothing but planets on it anyway which I always use rather than the pull-down menu so you might be onto something.

Julius Rigel Sub-warp Racing Venture	Posted - 2011.04.14 11:20:00 - [11] Originally by: Gavjack Bunk Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 14/04/2011 09:46:39 Originally by: Wacktopia 2. Align to the planet at full speed (you will align directly to the planet bracket/icon) Originally by: Grimpak it has been like that since I can remember. ...and I've been playing for like 8 years already. Something is borken. Is there a discrepancy in terms here? Also, when I use the Align To function, I don't get an re-alignment errors. It aligns to the designated planet spot which isn't where the bracket is in space. Although I've never had to cause to notice if what I just said is true, because it's always appeared to work. Eve history as written by Gavjack Bunk: In the beginning, there was no align button, and therefore it was impossible to get your ship to fly towards something. Then CCP created the align button and aligning became possible.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.14 12:11:00 - [12] Edited by: Grimpak on 14/04/2011 12:11:48 Originally by: Gavjack Bunk Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 14/04/2011 09:46:39 Originally by: Wacktopia 2. Align to the planet at full speed (you will align directly to the planet bracket/icon) Originally by: Grimpak it has been like that since I can remember. ...and I've been playing for like 8 years already. Something is borken. Is there a discrepancy in terms here? Also, when I use the Align To function, I don't get an re-alignment errors. It aligns to the designated planet spot which isn't where the bracket is in space. Although I've never had to cause to notice if what I just said is true, because it's always appeared to work. I should had explained myself better: when you warp to a planet, you really don't warp to it, you warp to a point somewhere close to it. As it happens, that point is pretty much the "warp to" point for anyone in the solar system. that means that, in locations that are very near of a planet, when you press "align to" or "warp to" it points to said location, not the planet itself. also, since the location is close enough of the planet, that means that if you align, or warp from places that are far enough, you only need to point at the planet. it's a kinda weird explanation, but it has always been like that. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Gavjack Bunk Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.04.14 12:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: Gavjack Bunk Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 14/04/2011 09:46:39 Originally by: Wacktopia 2. Align to the planet at full speed (you will align directly to the planet bracket/icon) Originally by: Grimpak it has been like that since I can remember. ...and I've been playing for like 8 years already. Something is borken. Is there a discrepancy in terms here? Also, when I use the Align To function, I don't get an re-alignment errors. It aligns to the designated planet spot which isn't where the bracket is in space. Although I've never had to cause to notice if what I just said is true, because it's always appeared to work. Eve history as written by Gavjack Bunk: In the beginning, there was no align button, and therefore it was impossible to get your ship to fly towards something. Then CCP created the align button and aligning became possible. I'm sorry I have no idea how you get that from what I said. Perhaps you would like to take more than a handful of seconds to explain yourself.
Gavjack Bunk Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.04.14 12:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Grimpak that means that, in locations that are very near of a planet, when you press "align to" or "warp to" it points to said location, not the planet itself. also, since the location is close enough of the planet, that means that if you align, or warp from places that are far enough, you only need to point at the planet. it's a kinda weird explanation, but it has always been like that. That's the way it always has worked for me. I don't have a clear memory of testing "Align To" when in such close proximity to the planet that the difference between the planet's warpzone and the planet's central core that the difference would matter. Though it's the sort of thing I do a lot, I am literally amazed that if there is a problem with this, I and hundred of others wouldn't have noticed by now. Still, it won't take more than 10 minutes to check it out and educate myself to a potential future ship loss when I get home and log in.
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.14 12:41:00 - [15] Edited by: Othran on 14/04/2011 12:46:23 Try the steps I listed. You'll find it doesn't work the way you think Edit - in fact its even simpler to test. 1) Simply WTZ on the planet and set full speed - keep going in same direction; 2) After you've gone a few km align to the planet. You should see your ship only turns about 90 degrees rather than 180 degrees and the planet bracket is centred. There might be some odd warp-ins where you face the planet, just choose another to test.
DeBingJos Minmatar Weirdo Asylum	Posted - 2011.04.14 13:16:00 - [16] Edited by: DeBingJos on 14/04/2011 13:16:24 I gues they do this to make survey probing easy. In order to launch a survey probe your ship must be pointing to the moon for the probe to hit. This is (probably) why the ship will allign to the center of the plannet instead of to the warpin point. My 0.02isk.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2011.04.14 13:20:00 - [17] Originally by: DeBingJos I gues they do this to make survey probing easy. In order to launch a survey probe your ship must be pointing to the moon for the probe to hit. This is (probably) why the ship will allign to the center of the plannet instead of to the warpin point. Ding! Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.14 13:25:00 - [18] Originally by: DeBingJos Edited by: DeBingJos on 14/04/2011 13:16:24 I gues they do this to make survey probing easy. In order to launch a survey probe your ship must be pointing to the moon for the probe to hit. This is (probably) why the ship will allign to the center of the plannet instead of to the warpin point. My 0.02isk. No its simply that there is one warp-in co-ordinate per celestial and it obviously can't be the celestial itself. Its always been this way. That's why places like N-RAEL have/had bubbles on the planets, dumb as that may sound. Having your ship align to the warp-in point would result in loads more "why can't I align" posts and the current method isn't exactly causing problems is it? If it was we'd have loads of posts but it seems most missed it completely.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.14 13:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Othran Originally by: DeBingJos Edited by: DeBingJos on 14/04/2011 13:16:24 I gues they do this to make survey probing easy. In order to launch a survey probe your ship must be pointing to the moon for the probe to hit. This is (probably) why the ship will allign to the center of the plannet instead of to the warpin point. My 0.02isk. No its simply that there is one warp-in co-ordinate per celestial and it obviously can't be the celestial itself. Its always been this way. That's why places like N-RAEL have/had bubbles on the planets, dumb as that may sound. Having your ship align to the warp-in point would result in loads more "why can't I align" posts and the current method isn't exactly causing problems is it? If it was we'd have loads of posts but it seems most missed it completely. tactically, it's also a bit stupid to align to nearest planet. best option is always the middle ones if you're in a ship with slow warpspeed. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.14 13:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Grimpak tactically, it's also a bit stupid to align to nearest planet. best option is always the middle ones if you're in a ship with slow warpspeed. I can't really think of anywhere that this would occur around a gate - ie aligning out in a fight. OP obviously knows somewhere but I've never seen a gate that close to a celestial. Also I disagree with your tactical analysis If you have no bookmarks and have no inties to burn a warp point then you may need a quick bounce off the nearest celestial to come back in at range fast. Stations, yes. There are plenty stations close to moons, hell I got an undock inside a moon So its not really a mechanic that people come across. It has always been there though and frankly why wouldn't you align to the celestial? Think of it as you saying to the ship - "Go to that planets exact co-ordinates"; ship knows you're a moron and stops you killing yourself and various semi-sentient things What are the other options really? None as far as I can see, any changes would annoy more people.

Gavjack Bunk Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.04.14 15:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Othran I can't really think of anywhere that this would occur around a gate - ie aligning out in a fight. Bawilan, the Archee gate is very close to planet 9 (I might even be right on this one!). It's repeated a lot, when an impromptu gate camp is called for, there is frequently a conveniently close by celestial to rebound a safe spot off. I am thinking "Align to the nearest planet" is not an order I have heard often or even at all, which helps explain why I might not have inadvertently discovered this effect. Either way, knowledge is power, better to find out this way than that way.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.04.14 15:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Othran Originally by: DeBingJos Edited by: DeBingJos on 14/04/2011 13:16:24 I gues they do this to make survey probing easy. In order to launch a survey probe your ship must be pointing to the moon for the probe to hit. This is (probably) why the ship will allign to the center of the plannet instead of to the warpin point. My 0.02isk. No its simply that there is one warp-in co-ordinate per celestial and it obviously can't be the celestial itself. Its always been this way. That's why places like N-RAEL have/had bubbles on the planets, dumb as that may sound. Having your ship align to the warp-in point would result in loads more "why can't I align" posts and the current method isn't exactly causing problems is it? If it was we'd have loads of posts but it seems most missed it completely. So, how come when you click "Align" it doesn't just "align" to the 'warp in' point instead of the centre of the planet. Why does there have to be this difference?? DeBingJos' suggestion is the only one so far that would make sense. Otherwise it should not matter how far you are from the planet, "Align" and "Warp" should be to the same place in my mind.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.04.14 15:28:00 - [23] Because in the situation where you are very close to the planet to begin with, if you aligned to the warp in point (which may appear way off to one side or another) instead of the very obvious planet right in front of you, the petition system would fill up with people thinking the align mechanic was broken. "The planet was right in front of me, but when I hit align my ship angled away at a 45% angle." ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.04.14 15:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Ranger 1 Because in the situation where you are very close to the planet to begin with, if you aligned to the warp in point (which may appear way off to one side or another) instead of the very obvious planet right in front of you, the petition system would fill up with people thinking the align mechanic was broken. "The planet was right in front of me, but when I hit align my ship angled away at a 45% angle." Not as much as people saying "what the deuce? I thought I was aligned and now I'm scrammed!!"
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.04.14 15:51:00 - [25] 1: Obviously more people would notice the align point being off, as you don't always end up warping to the point you originally align to (for various reasons, such as simply to put distance between you and a gate/hostile ships/etc.). 2: It's much more fun in combat when the realization that you screwed up puts you in harms way. Bomber pilots away from their home turf probably notice this more than anyone else. Often they need to make quick and dirty bookmarks opposite celestials (when they don't have time to set up a proper set of book marks for bombing runs). In that situation in particular making a bookmark opposite that really close planet will get you popped quickly. Lots more fun, and makes you think logically about what you are doing. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Gavjack Bunk Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.04.14 23:13:00 - [26] Aye, there it is. 8000km from a planet. [Align To] aligns you to the planet's central core. [Warp To] warps you to the fixed offside section. Handy to remember, I don't think I'll be making bookmarks everywhere to deal with this one.
Kijo Rikki Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard	Posted - 2011.04.15 00:44:00 - [27] This explains things. I lost a drake the other night to this. We were camping a gate and had eyes report a much superior force coming through, and everyone was advised to align. There was a planet close by that I planned to warp to 100, and when they jumped in I tried to warp to it and my ship took off in a differnt direction and I freaked, thinking I accidentally chose the wrong planet, so I stopped ship and tried to warp to it again and again it changed directions....and then I was scrambled. My corp mates berated me for not warping off and I was having a tough time defending myself. Now I know for next time.
Julius Rigel Sub-warp Racing Venture	Posted - 2011.04.15 03:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Gavjack Bunk I'm sorry I have no idea how you get that from what I said. Perhaps you would like to take more than a handful of seconds to explain yourself. Alright. You bolded the words "align to" as well as "8 years", implying that aligning to something has not been possible for this long. I inferred that you thought this was the case, which it is not, and decided to be smug and sarcastic based on this. Clear enough?
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb	Posted - 2011.04.15 11:42:00 - [29] Edited by: Wacktopia on 15/04/2011 11:42:38 I'd like to know if this is intended or not. I'll log a bug and let you all know. Mayb... just... maybe we could get some blue in this thread? Y'know, like, a nice blue border


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