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Mortania
Minmatar
Kinetic Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.14 16:15:00 -
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Reposting from the "welcome" thread...
Ok, how about a blog about those "new" forums. And no, I don't mean the security issues, Sreegs is handling that just fine. I mean CCP not listening to the community. We are divided on the visuals, so I don't really want to hear about that.
What we are not divided on is:
The new forums are clearly inferior in function to the current forums.
Why was this pushed through?
Why was nearly none of the suggestions from the community listened to and iterated upon?
The new forums clearly needed multiple more rounds of beta testing, or a process by which changes pointed out and requested from the community are listened to.
Why was the old forum turned off instantly instead of easing into the new forum?
Why isn't the content of these forums being pushed to the new forums? At least the stuff that is 90 days or less?
We desperately need assurance that there will be CONTINUITY when you guys decide to roll out the new forums, or what's the point of these forums until the unknown date of the new instant roll out and turn off? Assured continuity means we can have legit conversations here and know that they will continue when the new forums come online.
Why are the new forums customizable?
Does CCP even understand why this is such a big deal?
The forums are the second most important communication tool in the game behind in-game chat. You guys screwed the pooch on the new forums (and I'm not talking about the security issues).
The security issues are just the single largest problem that the community is rallying behind it because it's the best way to attack and defeat the perceived enemy... the new forums.
The community is upset because CCP failed to listen to us. That is our perception. As soon as the back slapping stops, please start stepping up like Sreegs is on the security side and DEAL with us. Converse with us.
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Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.04.14 16:16:00 -
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Inferior in function?? tell me, are you still dialing into a bbs over there in russia?
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Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.04.14 16:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Jack Tronic
Inferior in function?? tell me, are you still dialing into a bbs over there in russia?
No, but they are calling it like it is.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.14 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 14/04/2011 16:26:18
Originally by: Jack Tronic
Inferior in function?
Yes, inferior in function.
Less readable overall (font/contrast/whatever choices), unable to select a different (larger) width and a general waste of space on both horizontal and vertical (and just about THIS main point I could keep going on and on and on and on), harder to distinguish which threads you already visited, inability to post images, nonfunctional or barely functional signatures (depending when), resizing/zooming worked shoddily on most browsers, full of duplicate buttons/links at the most inappropriate places, they worked slower when they worked at all (especially for larger threads, YOU should have tried to load the "like threadnought" and see how it worked) and many, many more deficiencies and annoyances.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE LACK OF IMPORT OF ALL OLDER CONTENT THAT EXISTS IN THIS OLD FORUM.
And I'm not even going to dignify the issues of security with more than a brief mention.
So, yes, again, INFERIOR in functions that really mattered.
The fact it had some nicer additions was irrelevant if what people used most was now broken or lacking.
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Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.14 16:26:00 -
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however the ability to go in and post as anyone, including CCP, Eddit posts by CCP and anyone elseso on are clearly proves that the forums security was superior to what we have now...
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If your too paranoid to play EvE. . .
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.14 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher Jones on 14/04/2011 16:28:14
The new forums are clearly inferior in function to the current forums.
Why was this pushed through?
**Because you used the word clearly but didn't support your idea.**
Why was nearly none of the suggestions from the community listened to and iterated upon?
**They listened to mine and others. Sounds like sour grapes?**
The new forums clearly needed multiple more rounds of beta testing, or a process by which changes pointed out and requested from the community are listened to.
**The problem with the forums was not pointed out by the beta testers. There was no lack of listening.**
Why was the old forum turned off instantly instead of easing into the new forum?
**They were not turned off instantly, and the new forums were eased into. You have gone from using suggestive language without evidence to stating the polar opposite of what actually happened. You are *CLEARLY* misinformed.**
Why isn't the content of these forums being pushed to the new forums? At least the stuff that is 90 days or less.
**You should have just made a polite thread asking that question, and CCP probably would have answered. More than likely, they have already answered that question and you failed to search for it before asking.**
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.04.14 16:27:00 -
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The community is upset because CCP failed to listen to us
support for new forums thread had more replies than support for old forums thread.
get lost.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.14 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 14/04/2011 16:33:57
Originally by: Cipher Jones
The new forums clearly needed multiple more rounds of beta testing, or a process by which changes pointed out and requested from the community are listened to.
**The problem with the forums was not pointed out by the beta testers. There was no lack of listening.**
Why was the old forum turned off instantly instead of easing into the new forum?
**They were not turned off instantly, and the new forums were eased into. You have gone from using suggestive language without evidence to stating the polar opposite of what actually happened. You are *CLEARLY* misinformed.**
Why isn't the content of these forums being pushed to the new forums? At least the stuff that is 90 days or less.
**You should have just made a polite thread asking that question, and CCP probably would have answered. More than likely, thay have already answered that question and you failed to search for it before asking.**
The fudge ? You were clearly not reading the test forum feedback then.
Most of the stuff people still complain about is stuff that was mentioned back from the FIRST beta test.
They were turned off as good as instantly, namely a few hours. A halfway decent transitional period would have taken at least a month, if not longer.
The only answer CCP gave is that "it was their choice". No details as to how/why. No mention of technical difficulties or required work or anything like that. It would have fallen on deaf ears because, come on, it's a collection of text snippets, how bloody hard could it possibly be to create an automated method of parsing it all and inserting it in the new format before the new forums opened to the general public ?
Originally by: MotherMoon
support for new forums thread had more replies than support for old forums thread. get lost.
Right, because THOSE tiny threads you'd have to dig for had oh so many people participating, whereas threads that were dozens of pages long complaining about the new forums are to be discounted ?
Pfft.
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Soma Khan
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.14 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
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The community is upset because CCP failed to listen to us
support for new forums thread had more alt/troll replies than support for old forums thread.
get lost.
fyp
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Zangorus
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Posted - 2011.04.14 16:38:00 -
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Oh look a corpmate
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Mortania
Minmatar
Kinetic Cartel
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.04.14 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
**They listened to mine and others. Sounds like sour grapes?**
Oh, I'm all ears. Let me guess, you were the one that requested the limit to only 5 quote blocks? OH! wait, it was the really LARGE quote blocks that you wanted, right? Was it the lack of working img tags you requested? No just sigs in general being borked that you requested? Maybe it was the lack of font changes or color changes, that you requested and received, right?
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Why was the old forum turned off instantly instead of easing into the new forum?
**They were not turned off instantly, and the new forums were eased into. You have gone from using suggestive language without evidence to stating the polar opposite of what actually happened. You are *CLEARLY* misinformed.**
Potentially you're limited in your knowledge of new forum rollouts. 2 preview releases that get about 1000 posts before they are brought down again and then a simultaneous release with a removal of activity from the previous forums isn't what most people would consider easing in.
A smooth rollout would often include a time where both forums are up for an extended period of time. A chance for people to move between the two. CCP could have moved Information Portal over to the new forums and left the rest of the activity on the old forums. Drive usage through content.
But you're probably right, it's likely I wasn't involved in both rounds of testing of the new forums and that I didn't post useful problems on those forums. It's likely I'm just bitter about trivial stuff like wanting a sense of continuity and well working forums to use.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.14 16:46:00 -
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They were turned off as good as instantly, namely a few hours
I had over a months notice by simply reading this forum.
Its almost impossible to say anything else about it w/o being insulting.
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Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.04.14 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Tronic
Inferior in function??
They couldn't even get the smilies to work right, let alone the rest of the issues. Ganked anyone?
Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax
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Mortania
Minmatar
Kinetic Cartel
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.04.14 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
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They were turned off as good as instantly, namely a few hours
I had over a months notice by simply reading this forum.
Its almost impossible to say anything else about it w/o being insulting.
You're confusing notice of change with transition period, I mean the latter when I say easing in.
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Emmely Chi
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Posted - 2011.04.14 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Emmely Chi on 14/04/2011 16:56:11
I wonder if CCP even listen to people who want to maintained the old forum. Or have CCP completely turned a deaf ear.
what is the point of the new forum. What it simply because they thought it was time to make a new, or get people to use Eve gate more, or introduce more certain technical stuff.
Did they even have gave an answer ?
If they have... I have missed it.....
Ps ... sorry for my english
and pray you will understand what I have written
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.04.14 16:56:00 -
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The new forums were better in every way except for their security problems.
So stop saying "we're not divided", acting like people unanimously don't like the new forums.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.04.14 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Why isn't the content of these forums being pushed to the new forums? At least the stuff that is 90 days or less.
**You should have just made a polite thread asking that question, and CCP probably would have answered. More than likely, they have already answered that question and you failed to search for it before asking.**
What's the point of being polite when this is a pretty clear case of laziness at best and/or veiled attempt at sanitizing history at worst.
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Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Tronic on 14/04/2011 17:03:19
Edited by: Jack Tronic on 14/04/2011 17:02:37
Edited by: Jack Tronic on 14/04/2011 17:02:16
Edited by: Jack Tronic on 14/04/2011 17:01:21
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 14/04/2011 16:26:18
Originally by: Jack Tronic
Inferior in function?
Yes, inferior in function.
Less readable overall (font/contrast/whatever choices), unable to select a different (larger) width and a general waste of space on both horizontal and vertical (and just about THIS main point I could keep going on and on and on and on), harder to distinguish which threads you already visited, inability to post images, nonfunctional or barely functional signatures (depending when), resizing/zooming worked shoddily on most browsers, full of duplicate buttons/links at the most inappropriate places, they worked slower when they worked at all (especially for larger threads, YOU should have tried to load the "like threadnought" and see how it worked) and many, many more deficiencies and annoyances.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE LACK OF IMPORT OF ALL OLDER CONTENT THAT EXISTS IN THIS OLD FORUM.
And I'm not even going to dignify the issues of security with more than a brief mention.
So, yes, again, INFERIOR in functions that really mattered.
The fact it had some nicer additions was irrelevant if what people used most was now broken or lacking.
1. Display width isn't that much of a functional aspect, it's more lack of good design
2. You can't post images on these forums anyway without CCP threatening to ban you for even a LOLcat image.
3. People care about signatures really? I enjoy not seeing ****ty "LOOK AT ME IM SPECIAL, IM ALSO A ***" signatures.
4. To be fair, browsers have conflicting standards for zooming in and out which makes it come out funny.
5. 90% of old content is troll. There's no point in keeping it, you can't go one thread in C&P or CAOD without trolling
Security issues are barely a functional inferiority, it is a technical oversight.
Don't mix up functionality with design and technical issues.
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Emmely Chi
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Emmely Chi on 14/04/2011 17:05:30
Originally by: Kyra Felann
The new forums were better in every way except for their security problems.
So stop saying "we're not divided", acting like people unanimously don't like the new forums.
even if the new is better, There's no reason change layot. They Could. make a new forum with the old layot and give us new stuff. if it so important to Them Most people...
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Mortania
Minmatar
Kinetic Cartel
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
The new forums were better in every way except for their security problems.
That's just bonkers to claim.
So, you liked not being able to do img in your posts? Or color changes? Or Have working sigs? Or you enjoyed the lack of clarity between a thread you've read and one you haven't? You liked the not quite correctly implemented take me to my last read post in a thread feature? Or the limited number of quote blocks?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Tronic
1. Display width isn't that much of a functional aspect, it's more lack of good design
And a car that's 20 inches wide is not a functional problem, it's just lack of good design too ?
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2. You can't post images on these forums anyway without CCP threatening to ban you for even a LOLcat image.
Actually, there is at least one subforum where posting at least one image per OP is perfectly allowed.
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3. People care about signatures really? I enjoy not seeing ****ty "LOOK AT ME IM SPECIAL, IM ALSO A ***" signatures.
And that's why you can have the OPTION to turn them off.
Speaking of options, they were completely lacking in the new forums.
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4. To be fair, browsers have conflicting standards for zooming in and out which makes it come out funny.
To be fair, I don't care. CCP web design should have taken care of that. What the bloody hell do they pay them for anyway ?
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5. 90% of old content is troll. There's no point in keeping it, you can't go one thread in C&P or CAOD without trolling
Right, and Ships&modules, Science&industry, New Players and others like it have to also go just because C&P and CAOD are a cesspool ?
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Security issues are barely a functional inferiority, it is a technical oversight.
Potato, tomato.
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Don't mix up functionality with design and technical issues.
Tomato, potato.
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Mortania
Minmatar
Kinetic Cartel
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Tronic
1. Display width isn't that much of a functional aspect, it's more lack of good design
2. You can't post images on these forums anyway without CCP threatening to ban you for even a LOLcat image.
3. People care about signatures really? I enjoy not seeing ****ty "LOOK AT ME IM SPECIAL, IM ALSO A ***" signatures.
4. To be fair, browsers have conflicting standards for zooming in and out which makes it come out funny.
5. 90% of old content is troll. There's no point in keeping it, you can't go one thread in C&P or CAOD without trolling
Security issues are barely a functional inferiority, it is a technical oversight.
Don't mix up functionality with design and technical issues.
Agreed, which is why I tried to exclude the layout and design issues from my post.
But, at the same time, you can't poo-poo the functional aspects that people expect from a forum. Yes posting images and signatures is entry level expected function from a forum. Despite the too cool for school attitude that some people may have about them. The fact is a large number of people use both those functions. Yes, I too have images and signatures turned off, but I recognize that most people want these functions and that their normal operation should be working before launching new forums.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Tronic
1. Display width isn't that much of a functional aspect, it's more lack of good design
Designing it in such a way that there was no options for size changes and so that it even broke some browsers' built-in size adjustment functions is a matter of functionality.
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2. You can't post images on these forums anyway without CCP threatening to ban you for even a LOLcat image.
Doesn't change the fact that it was reduction in functionality (and at the same time a lost opportunity to change that policy now that they designed a ù supposedly ù modern forum where such things can be adjusted automatically).
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3. People care about signatures really? I enjoy not seeing ****ty "LOOK AT ME IM SPECIAL, IM ALSO A ***" signatures.
Doesn't change the fact that it was a reduction in functionality. Hell, if that's how you feel about sigs, it should have upset you that they removed the functionality not to see sigsà
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4. To be fair, browsers have conflicting standards for zooming in and out which makes it come out funny.
Yes, but a well made design doesn't break any of them.
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5. 90% of old content is troll. There's no point in keeping it, you can't go one thread in C&P or CAOD without trolling
àexcept, of course, that they are keeping it, just not integrated into the new forums.
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Security issues are barely a functional inferiority, it is a technical oversight.
Seeing as how the issues were a direct result of functional inferiorityà yes, yes it is.
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Bodrul
Caldari
The Illuminatii
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:18:00 -
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CCP could have easily paid for a license
from IPB or VB and since they are basicaly open to modification, CCP could have modified them to the needs of eve and have a better forum in terms of functions and Visuals.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Soma Khan
Originally by: MotherMoon
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The community is upset because CCP failed to listen to us
support for new forums thread had more alt/troll replies than support for old forums thread.
get lost.
fyp
I disagree, the support for old forums thread was nothing but someone with 12 altsa all posted for themself. and then therw was a bunch of post in that thread in support for the new, and some posts trolling back and forth.
and yes despite all that, the other thread had no one saying they wanted the old forums, and still had more replies.
it's nice to just say "GRR ANYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH ME IS A ALT OR A TROLL"
get over yourself.
this reminds me of the 18 page thread after trinity came out of people saying the new trinity graphics models were WORSE than the old. and that no one would use them because they looked terrible.
anyone posting in support of trinity with something like "omg the new models are so pretty" was pointed out as a troll.
GUESS WHAT, people that like something and are content don't tend to post as much. and most people think the old eve graphics were ****, it's not a troll, it's a fact. Its just most people don't give a *** about arguing over it on a forum, they would rather just use it.
also that huge 20 page thread was no purely anti-new forum people. people that have an issue with someone also speak up more. but I counted more people posting in support of the new forums when I was reading them .
talk about rose tinted glasses 
I should note I didn't think they were ready for release either. but the level of whine has gone far beyond that, stop trying to pretend it hasn't.
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Mortania
Minmatar
Kinetic Cartel
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Soma Khan
Originally by: MotherMoon
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The community is upset because CCP failed to listen to us
support for new forums thread had more alt/troll replies than support for old forums thread.
get lost.
fyp
I disagree, the support for old forums thread was nothing but someone with 12 altsa all posted for themself. and then therw was a bunch of post in that thread in support for the new, and some posts trolling back and forth.
and yes despite all that, the other thread had no one saying they wanted the old forums, and still had more replies.
it's nice to just say "GRR ANYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH ME IS A ALT OR A TROLL"
get over yourself.
this reminds me of the 18 page thread after trinity came out of people saying the new trinity graphics models were WORSE than the old. and that no one would use them because they looked terrible.
anyone posting in support of trinity with something like "omg the new models are so pretty" was pointed out as a troll.
GUESS WHAT, people that like something and are content don't tend to post as much. and most people think the old eve graphics were ****, it's not a troll, it's a fact. Its just most people don't give a *** about arguing over it on a forum, they would rather just use it.
also that huge 20 page thread was no purely anti-new forum people. people that have an issue with someone also speak up more. but I counted more people posting in support of the new forums when I was reading them .
talk about rose tinted glasses
I should note I didn't think they were ready for release either. but the level of whine has gone far beyond that, stop trying to pretend it hasn't.
I don't know about Tippia or Akita T (ok I do know), but I liked the new forums, for the most part. I thought overall they were more modern typographically and I found them easier to read. That's not the part I have a problem with.
They could have had a chance to be better in every way than the old forums, but they weren't. They were visually completely different (which will always **** some people off) and they didn't even have all of the functionality of the old forums.
I think the best comparison I've read thus far is someone pointing out the way in which the new contract search was rolled out in game, versus the way the forums were rolled out.
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IsTheOpOver
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mortania
Why was the old forum turned off instantly instead of easing into the new forum?
What better way to bury the hate included in the 1.4 feedback & issues threads?
Originally by: Mortania
Why isn't the content of these forums being pushed to the new forums? At least the stuff that is 90 days or less?
See above.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Why isn't the content of these forums being pushed to the new forums? At least the stuff that is 90 days or less.
**You should have just made a polite thread asking that question, and CCP probably would have answered. More than likely, they have already answered that question and you failed to search for it before asking.**
What's the point of being polite when this is a pretty clear case of laziness at best and/or veiled attempt at sanitizing history at worst.
Illustrate how it is a case of laziness please.
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Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Tronic on 14/04/2011 17:35:45
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Jack Tronic
1. Display width isn't that much of a functional aspect, it's more lack of good design
Designing it in such a way that there was no options for size changes and so that it even broke some browsers' built-in size adjustment functions is a matter of functionality.
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2. You can't post images on these forums anyway without CCP threatening to ban you for even a LOLcat image.
Doesn't change the fact that it was reduction in functionality (and at the same time a lost opportunity to change that policy now that they designed a ù supposedly ù modern forum where such things can be adjusted automatically).
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3. People care about signatures really? I enjoy not seeing ****ty "LOOK AT ME IM SPECIAL, IM ALSO A ***" signatures.
Doesn't change the fact that it was a reduction in functionality. Hell, if that's how you feel about sigs, it should have upset you that they removed the functionality not to see sigsà
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4. To be fair, browsers have conflicting standards for zooming in and out which makes it come out funny.
Yes, but a well made design doesn't break any of them.
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5. 90% of old content is troll. There's no point in keeping it, you can't go one thread in C&P or CAOD without trolling
àexcept, of course, that they are keeping it, just not integrated into the new forums.
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Security issues are barely a functional inferiority, it is a technical oversight.
Seeing as how the issues were a direct result of functional inferiorityà yes, yes it is.
1. There are no size changes on these forums so no loss of functionality.
2. They probably used these "modern forum" features that you speak of and simply disabled the img tag in the admin cp, which they did because it is an option in the yaf acp. :P
3. Ah well, I get to report people to bad signatures and thus grief them.
4. Not exactly, even simple css divs styled with css only can get epically fudged by zooming in using a browser depending on the arrangement of the dom structure.
5. How is the security issue a result of functional inferiority? They didn't make it so you had to manually type in your character name in and draw a picture of each time to confirm it. They just mistakenly trusted the client side cookies(tbh they do the same with the eve client which is why ~sphere~ exists) instead of using proper session management.
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:36:00 -
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CCP needs to sneak over to phpbb (as just one example) to see a feature list of a modern forum.
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Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Tronic on 14/04/2011 17:38:24
Edited by: Jack Tronic on 14/04/2011 17:38:05
Originally by: T'Laar Bok
CCP needs to sneak over to phpbb (as just one example) to see a feature list of a modern forum.
They are using yaf, it is quite modern. phpBB is horrid with a codebase that looks like it was structured by a monkey that was unicycling in a circus out in Antarctica while simultaneously trying to prove the concept of perpetual motion using a banana and a piece of hair.
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Tronic
phpBB is horrid with a codebase that looks like it was structured by a monkey
I was using their feature list as an example, not the quality of their markup.
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Tronic
1. There are no size changes on these forums so no loss of functionality.
Not strictly true. When I view these forums on my larger screen, the boarders remain the same size, but the forums increase to fill the middle.
On the new ones, the forums remained the same size, and the boarders increased to fill the remaining space.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Edited by: Tippia on 14/04/2011 17:54:31
Originally by: Jack Tronic
1. There are no size changes on these forums so no loss of functionality.
Yes there are. Veeery basic ones, on top of changes that were made possible through simple omission of rules to regulate them.
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2. They probably used these "modern forum" features that you speak of and simply disabled the img tag in the admin cp, which they did because it is an option in the yaf acp. :P
No, it's not modern. And that's the whole point: these days you can have your cake and eat it to, so the retention (and, as it happens, expansion) of that old policy is becoming increasingly antiquated. And again: no matter how you twist it, it's a reduction in functionality.
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4. Not exactly, even simple css divs styled with css only can get epically fudged by zooming in using a browser depending on the arrangement of the dom structure.
àiow: if you don't design them properly.
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5. How is the security issue a result of functional inferiority?
Non-separation between forum and game presence.
Sigs and posts were treated as different kinds of content.
àand that's setting aside that many of the gaping holes were discovered due to people trying to work around the drastically reduced functionality and regain some of what they have on these forums.
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phpBB is horrid with a codebase that looks like it was structured by a monkey that was unicycling in a circus out in Antarctica while simultaneously trying to prove the concept of perpetual motion using a banana and a piece of hair.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.04.14 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Why isn't the content of these forums being pushed to the new forums? At least the stuff that is 90 days or less.
**You should have just made a polite thread asking that question, and CCP probably would have answered. More than likely, they have already answered that question and you failed to search for it before asking.**
What's the point of being polite when this is a pretty clear case of laziness at best and/or veiled attempt at sanitizing history at worst.
Illustrate how it is a case of laziness please.
With over 72000 man-hours invested in development of the new forums CCP could not spare a few hours worth of some intern's time to reformat the old forum database.
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Posted - 2011.04.14 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 14/04/2011 17:54:31
Originally by: Jack Tronic
1. There are no size changes on these forums so no loss of functionality.
Yes there are. Veeery basic ones, on top of changes that were made possible through simple omission of rules to regulate them.
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2. They probably used these "modern forum" features that you speak of and simply disabled the img tag in the admin cp, which they did because it is an option in the yaf acp. :P
No, it's not modern. And that's the whole point: these days you can have your cake and eat it to, so the retention (and, as it happens, expansion) of that old policy is becoming increasingly antiquated. And again: no matter how you twist it, it's a reduction in functionality.
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4. Not exactly, even simple css divs styled with css only can get epically fudged by zooming in using a browser depending on the arrangement of the dom structure.
àiow: if you don't design them properly.
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5. How is the security issue a result of functional inferiority?
Non-separation between forum and game presence.
Sigs and posts were treated as different kinds of content.
àand that's setting aside that many of the gaping holes were discovered due to people trying to work around the drastically reduced functionality and regain some of what they have on these forums.
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phpBB is horrid with a codebase that looks like it was structured by a monkey that was unicycling in a circus out in Antarctica while simultaneously trying to prove the concept of perpetual motion using a banana and a piece of hair.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing.
1. I meant no size change options on these forums
2. The policy of no img tags has nothing to do with forum functionality, it is an administrative decision, it's in the software to allow img tags with a click, this at least should stop being an argument against the new software.
4. You can design them properly following the CSS and HTML specs and the browsers will still muck it up.
5. Sigs and posts ae treated as different kinds of contents in most modern forum software....
6. BS,there's nothing to gain by playing with cookies for functionaility which is how the entire exploit worked. If people want to fix the width, there's stylish for FF and Chrome.
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Posted - 2011.04.14 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Tronic
1. I meant no size change options on these forums
Yes there is, but it's automatic and basic.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.14 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Tronic
1. I meant no size change options on these forums
I know you did. My answer is about these forums.
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2. The policy of no img tags has nothing to do with forum functionality, it is an administrative decision, it's in the software to allow img tags with a click, this at least should stop being an argument against the new software.
àexcept of course that the policy varies with the subforum, so using that kind of global disallow is a reduction of forum functionality. And again: with the proper new software, that policy decision wouldn't even be needed.
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4. You can design them properly following the CSS and HTML specs and the browsers will still muck it up.
Provide an example.
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5. Sigs and posts ae treated as different kinds of contents in most modern forum software....
Then most modern forum software is fundamentally flawed. It's all user-made, and must therefore be vetted in the same way ù sigs are, if anything, more important because they'll appear everywhere and changes to them will propagate immediately.
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6. BS,there's nothing to gain by playing with cookies for functionaility which is how the entire exploit worked.
What is this in response to? What are you referring to?
àoh, and you keep using "issue" and "exploit" in singular ù there were more than one, you knowà
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If people want to fix the width, there's stylish for FF and Chrome.
They shouldn't have to, because that would be a reduction in funcitonality.
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.14 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Tronic
1. I meant no size change options on these forums
It's called "resizing your browser window".
Try it and tell me you DON'T get a width change.
Just try it.
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Posted - 2011.04.14 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
It's called "resizing your browser window".
Thats really annoying. I have my browser window and canvas area just the size I like it. If a site isnt functional/ascetically pleasing/usable/giggly/etc etc with my settings I simply find one that is. Theres gazillions of the little buggers all over the place.
Unfortunately you're screwed if the site has unique content. I would bet my left nut if CCP had 2 identical forums but with one having a prolethora of user options that one would easily get the most use.
Even if it just let you know what threads you've posted in and if there were any replies to your post it would win hands down. Y'know, like proper forums that have been around since the pyramids 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.14 23:47:00 -
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Yeah, but at least you can do that here without having to search for an userscript/plugin/whatnot or building your own, like it was necessary with the new one.
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Julyan Fox
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.15 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: Julyan Fox on 15/04/2011 03:12:28
Edited by: Julyan Fox on 15/04/2011 03:10:07
The new forums where much better if only because it require a little scroll down and paying a little bit more attention to where the thread is going. I mean look at the old forum, it's all clumped all together (expect for the 24+inch widescreen that can read paragraphs on one single line lol) and in the end you are more likely to skip what people are saying when you see there are 6pages left of non ending clumped text.
New forum, it's what modern forums are about. The post is magnified, paragraphs aren't single lines. What is said is valorised, it s in the middle of your screen, and if you wanna skip it you gotta have to scroll down, but it's more likely won't.
I agree the background for posts were too bright, and the margins where a little bit too much margins in this 993pixel forum width. Landing on the last post of a thread wether we clicked on the thread title or first post preview, didn't make sence either. But for the rest....
Guys it's not YOUR game. And paying for a subscribtion isn't enough to give orders to the devs. Making POLITE suggestions in the contrary DOES make things change sometimes.
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Posted - 2011.04.15 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: Julyan Fox on 15/04/2011 03:30:14
Edited by: Julyan Fox on 15/04/2011 03:27:54
Originally by: Akita T
Yeah, but at least you can do that here without having to search for an userscript/plugin/whatnot or building your own, like it was necessary with the new one.
You guys are just mad at it because you are wasting the uber screen mega high resolution realestate you paid for. Most websites on the web use a fixed width adapted to the most common resolutions width which are still the 1024 and 1280, why don't you simply resize the browser window? you could even run a small window of the game next to it and read threads and mine on your hulk at the same time.
Sorry for double posting
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Posted - 2011.04.15 03:59:00 -
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People actually LIKE forums stretching to full width and having entire paragraphs be one line long?
Am I the only one who sees a problem with this? 
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Hieronimus Rex
Minmatar
Infinitus Sapientia
New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2011.04.15 05:49:00 -
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Up next: EVE Beacon!
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Mortania
Minmatar
Kinetic Cartel
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.04.15 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Julyan Fox
Guys it's not YOUR game. And paying for a subscribtion isn't enough to give orders to the devs. Making POLITE suggestions in the contrary DOES make things change sometimes.
If you read the OP, that's pretty much what it's about. I'm not demanding changes. I'm demanding interface with the developer.
And it is MY game, just as it is YOUR game.
What I'm asking for is a dialogue, from the new Community Representative. On an issue, which whether it's 60/40 for or 60/40 against, it's a large populace of people that have issues with the new forums.
If that doesn't deserve a conversation, then what the hell does?
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Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.04.15 07:08:00 -
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I would to point out that Tippia or Akita T, are not part of the problem. they are smart level headed posters who's opinion I highly respect.
they are the glen becks of the forums.
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Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Edited by: Grimpak on 15/04/2011 07:10:55
Originally by: Teranul
People actually LIKE forums stretching to full width and having entire paragraphs be one line long?
Am I the only one who sees a problem with this?
it's better than having a forum that only takes like 50% of your screen and each paragraph is like 30 lines.
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Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
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i mean really, who gives a ****?
Its the forums. Not the videogame.
You spoiled brats have no idea how well you have it here with CCP. Just look at -EVERY OTHER VIDEOGAME- you'll notice players have nowhere NEAR the ammount of voice that eveplayers have.
Whine and cry because you dont like the forums? Guess what, theres going to be crybabies reguardless of how the new forums work. You are just the crybabies that surfaced for THIS version of the forum. The next will have a new set of kiddies.
HTFU, its a ****ing forum.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Originally by: Terminal Insanity
i mean really, who gives a ****?
Its the forums. Not the videogame.
You spoiled brats have no idea how well you have it here with CCP. Just look at -EVERY OTHER VIDEOGAME- you'll notice players have nowhere NEAR the ammount of voice that eveplayers have.
Whine and cry because you dont like the forums? Guess what, theres going to be crybabies reguardless of how the new forums work. You are just the crybabies that surfaced for THIS version of the forum. The next will have a new set of kiddies.
HTFU, its a ****ing forum.
it's more of a buildup of things.
there has been a steady decrease on quality on the deployment of patches and expansions for some time now, and the forums were pretty much the last straw.
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Posted - 2011.04.15 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Julyan Fox
Guys it's not YOUR game. And paying for a subscribtion isn't enough to give orders to the devs. Making POLITE suggestions in the contrary DOES make things change sometimes.
There are a few things wrong with that idea at face value.
It is fact, CCP created the game, and thus own everything. However, it is the players that make the game what it was, and what it is and what it will be.
Belittling or dismissing the impact of player grievances by falling back on that simple argument is not an accurate assessment of the situation. The generally high noise level on the new forum topics would tell an observer that something is amiss. To quote an anology, "If your wife complains, the husband better listen to keep the harmony" 
Now, the general EVE forum denizens are made up of posters that derive perverse joy from multiple throwaway-alt postings (which I can name a few); there are consistent posters which is mostly fact based (which I can also name a few) and there are posters that lie in-betweens and at the edges. EVE forum veterans, including forum mods (i.e those that regular read/participate the EVE forums for years) are usually able to sort posters into different categories. It makes it trivial to differentiate noise vs susbstance. The lesson here, it's time to pay attention when factual posters start to sound off in voicing their concerns and grievances. It's by no means that they're always right, but it acts a general measuring dipstick that a large number of issues remain unresolved.
CCP (or more specifically, new forum's project manager) SERIOUSLY underestimated the general EVE community's intelligence and diverse career backgrounds. It's understandable when the community see shoddy work, they will call it shoddy work - not AwesomeÖ. Ultimately however, the vitriol is project agnostic. As long as CCP continue along the path of producing things half-cooked - generating community controversies, each and every time, there will be vitriol ... and most of it, well deserved by CCP. (On a sidenote, check how fast the FHC went up with reasonable compromises all round, less than 2 days!!!!111 ... I mean, wtf CCP!)
In the end, you have to keep in mind, many of these folks are really very passionate about the game. Years and hundreds of hours invested into the game. That alone will give a lot of pause for reason. When they all stop caring, it's time to abandon ship.
A comment on "POLITE suggestions"; these were already posted in the first beta and the second beta (to a lesser extent). Estel Arador (a fairly famous EVE player to those that don't know him) went so far as to generate a compiled list of issues to help the devs, possibly spending hours on it - that all amounted to naught the day the new forum went live.
Now unfortunately, the entire feedback as a whole, are not made publicly available to serve as a public record. This makes it very easy for CCP to deny/ignore those feedbacks, unless some far-sighted soul had made a public mirror dump out of it. The net effect can be seen in the second beta where there were generally less postings as folks are tired of repeating the same things all over again, or they just assumed CCP is keeping the laundry list that was reported in the first beta.
The MOST GALLING thing is that they took weeks to fix 10 or so issues, without so much of a word or general comments on the rest of them. Simple expectation management and communications failure (which had been pointed out again, and again, and again ... ad nauseum ... with the new forums debacle being the latest casualty). It's either sheer incompetence & ignorance or they're afraid of getting crucified by the torches and pitchforks mob, thus laying low and pretend all is going well.
So, when the new forum security hurricane came, it's no surprise that instead of having a sympathetic audience, you get a generally raving mad audience, frothing at the mouth, demanding blood.
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Posted - 2011.04.15 08:46:00 -
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less talking. more killing.
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Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.04.15 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Rumple Fourskin
less talking. more killing.
Tempted but murder is actually forbidden by Icelandic criminal code.
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Julyan Fox
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.15 09:52:00 -
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Edited by: Julyan Fox on 15/04/2011 09:52:28
Sturmwolke I get your point, but in the end I still wonder if the loss of those who complain/suggest the most would break the game subscription wise.
And at a point, the complains do more harm to the game than the game flaws themselves.
Imo a lot of ppl decided the forums were **** after seeing a small group of individuals stating it.
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Posted - 2011.04.15 10:16:00 -
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I agree with the OP, the new forum is horrid.
And Will not bother read or post in the future there, since it makes me physical sick just looking at it...
That is a bad thing, since i like reading the forum, but that stuff, no f-way
- This forum looks good
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*Ding ding*
Customer: I want tà.
CCP Forumguy: Nanananana!
Customer: What the hell?
CCP Forumguy: Nanananana!
Customer: Hey! Stop chanting and get those fingers out of your ears!
CCP Forumguy: What? *Pulls one of his fingers out of an ear and looks a bit disgusted at the top of it.*
Customer: I asked you to stop chanting and get those fingers out of your ears!
CCP Forumguy: Why? *Pulls out the other finger and starts comparing the results.*
Customer: Because otherwise you cannot hear me!
CCP Forumguy: But I already know what you're going to say!
Customer: No you don't I just waà.
CCP Forumguy: Yes, yes! I know. The new forums suck!
Customer: That might be true buà.
CCP Forumguy: You aware we put like seventy-two-thousand man hours into this?
Customer: So I read, but I don't seà
CCP Forumguy: That was only our first roll out. We'll be putting another seventy-two-thousand man hours int....
Customer: àinto it soon! Right? With a Ö after the soon, right?
CCP Forumguy: Hey, I can't help it, that's company policy.
Customer: What? It's policy to start something then finish it maybe sometime later, like FW?
CCP Forumguy: FW? No idea, not my department.
Customer: POS then?
CCP Forumguy: No idea, not my department.
Customer: The current grid locked sov warfare?
CCP Forumguy: Well I heard there was someone working on that, then again, notà
Customer: àyour department, so you keep telling me.
CCP Forumguy: *Looks sad.* I'm not even a great cook since that is not my department either.
Customer: *Pulls out a Titan from his pants and starts fiddling with it.
CCP Forumguy: Hey! What are you doing?
Customer: Rigging this Titans doomsday.
CCP Forumguy: Riggingà theà doomsàday? But you cannot rig that!
Customer: Why not? You released an unsecured forum upon us so I rig this doomsday.
CCP Forumguy: Please stop! I'll promise we'll not only listen to all your new forum complaints and suggestions we'll fix and implement them all!
Customer: Well, I'm not sure.
CCP Forumguy: Not sure? Not sure about what?
Customer: Well, I didn't came here to complain about the new forums and should it be red or green?
CCP Forumguy: What do you mean, red or green?
Customer: Defusing this doomsday, do I pull the red or green wire?
CCP Forumguy: Oh now, that's easy! It's always the red wire.
*** VERY VERY BRIGHT LIGHT ***
Nano seconds or maybe even millennia later somewhere on a cloud.
Customer: So now we're sitting here on this cloud, could you please tell me why you told me to pull the red wire instead of the green one?
CCP Forumguy: Oh I was definitely sure I read that somewhere on the forums.
Customer: *Sighs.* You know what? I somehow think that forums are not your department either.
CCP Forumguy: *Pushes customer from the cloud.*
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Posted - 2011.04.15 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Julyan Fox
Sturmwolke I get your point, but in the end I still wonder if the loss of those who complain/suggest the most would break the game subscription wise.
And at a point, the complains do more harm to the game than the game flaws themselves. Same for the forum.
Imo a lot of ppl decided the forums were **** after seeing a small group of individuals stating it.
Well, subscription wise, in a single high-profile case, CCP lost the subscription from Estel Arador (indefinitely). Assuming he does yearly subscription via CC and he'd cancelled one account, CCP lost $10.95/month as a result of an embarassing debacle that could have been mitigated or avoided all together. The real monetary damage however, can only be calculated from any abnormalities in the canceled account trends, starting from the day the new forum went live, till the next major change. Only CCP will have this information and I doubt they will share.
Make no mistake however, damage is not limited to the financial aspect alone. There is damage to CCP's reputation, and this is intangible (aka not easily measured or realized) - they maybe the only company admired and at the same time, the laughing stock of the industry. Recruitment/retainment will certainly suffer in intangible ways.
There's also damage to the EVE community's patience, while subjective, there is usually a certain threshold where one can take so much **** at a time. Several had already reached that point. I personally haven't reached that point yet, but when it comes, it will be without much fanfare.
Some folks call this new forum **** talking, whining or parroting the obvious, but let me offer you this perspective : You're a passionate pizza eater, very sensitive and particular on how they're made and how they taste. Someone brought you a Pizza Hut, you say outright it sucks after a few bites. Some philistine closeby says, you complain & whine too much, it's still a pizza and morever, Pizza Hut is a worldwide brand ... shut the **** up. Now, what would you like to do to this philistine?
The proof is in the pudding.
The real situation here is that the [strike]philistines[/stike] fanboys (for the lack of a better word) are deliberately downplaying the magnitude of wrongs in the new forum implementation, deliberately dismissing cogent arguments not in line with their end goal and not witstanding, deliberately trolling the community for laughs and giggles. Why? I'd say a possible motif behind it is they are easily impressionable and had fallen in love with the new forum with all the bells and whistles, and thus they want it re-instated as soon as possible ... perhaps with even more bells and whistles.
Well, critics wouldn't have minded and perhaps even in time praise the new forum ... with a condition that CCP incorporated several of the strongly suggested changes - instead of pandering over them like a chicken with its head cut off. Mind you, if there's effort being made to utilize third-party plugins to make the new forum readable, that act alone is a very loud statement that it was crappier than the old forums.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.15 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Teranul
People actually LIKE forums stretching to full width and having entire paragraphs be one line long?
Yes. Some people do. Me amongst them.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2011.04.15 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
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The community is upset because CCP failed to listen to us
support for new forums thread had more replies than support for old forums thread.
get lost.
One wonders where these mysterious "support threads" are/where
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Cailais
Amarr
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.04.15 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Terminal Insanity
i mean really, who gives a ****?
Its the forums. Not the videogame.
You spoiled brats have no idea how well you have it here with CCP. Just look at -EVERY OTHER VIDEOGAME- you'll notice players have nowhere NEAR the ammount of voice that eveplayers have.
Whine and cry because you dont like the forums? Guess what, theres going to be crybabies reguardless of how the new forums work. You are just the crybabies that surfaced for THIS version of the forum. The next will have a new set of kiddies.
HTFU, its a ****ing forum.
/Brofist.
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the hydrostatic capsule blog
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the united
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Posted - 2011.04.15 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Teranul
People actually LIKE forums stretching to full width and having entire paragraphs be one line long?
Am I the only one who sees a problem with this?
I like it and have no issues with it. But with the new forums, we don't get that choice/option.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.15 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Teranul
People actually LIKE forums stretching to full width and having entire paragraphs be one line long?
Yes. Some people do. Me amongst them.
Me too. If I want a narrower page width I can just resize my window smaller.
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Posted - 2011.04.15 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE LACK OF IMPORT OF ALL OLDER CONTENT THAT EXISTS IN THIS OLD FORUM.
Do you have an instance available where an MMO company migrated forums and migrated the old posts as well? I'm not trolling you, I just don't know of a single one that has. Most of the time they just lock up the old ones and start fresh because the conversion usually doesn't work out so well.
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Posted - 2011.04.15 19:45:00 -
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Friends.
We are working on getting the information you need, and the answers you want. There's a lot happening these days and we haven't had the time to post anything meaningful...but stuff is on the way.
Fallout has posted a thread communicating our dedication to inform you so basically there's more to come!
Have a nice weekend :)
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Mortania
Minmatar
Kinetic Cartel
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Akita T
MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE LACK OF IMPORT OF ALL OLDER CONTENT THAT EXISTS IN THIS OLD FORUM.
Do you have an instance available where an MMO company migrated forums and migrated the old posts as well? I'm not trolling you, I just don't know of a single one that has. Most of the time they just lock up the old ones and start fresh because the conversion usually doesn't work out so well.
I'll admit, I don't know of one. But, I've been involved in a migration of a forum in the past for other private forums I've run. I don't suspect it's trivial, but I do think it's valuable. Continuity will help to keep a sense that conversations here aren't useless.
PS: Thanks for the update, Guard. Can you tell us, how much of the feedback from the first two rounds of suggestions are noted? We lost a couple of good posters because of a sense of shouting into the void over that roll out.
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Originally by: Barakkus
Do you have an instance available where an MMO company migrated forums and migrated the old posts as well? I'm not trolling you, I just don't know of a single one that has. Most of the time they just lock up the old ones and start fresh because the conversion usually doesn't work out so well.
I seem to recall that SOE did that when they upgraded the Planetside forums (in 2006 or soà).
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