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Mme Pinkerton
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Posted - 2012.09.07 07:22:00 -
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Historical Research Advocate wrote:lol. 48hrs in MD and almost no responses. Looks like you got away clean Ji. You just waited them out.
this thread is the most clear indicator i've ever seen that MD is officially dead.
I can look into your allegations when I have some spare time during the next few days if you want to.
However, I don't really see the point.
"OMG, a character left TMPI (in spring 2012!) just two days before Rhivre told scc-lounge that Caleb had recently met with Ji for cake"
how does such knowledge help Ji's investors that are waiting for repayment?
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Mme Pinkerton
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Posted - 2012.09.07 10:35:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:how`s everyone saying "welcome back" when the OP had his posting premiere in this thread? also nice rep-circle-************
http://www.eve-search.com/stats/Ji%20Sama
Ji Sama gained some early notoriety with his 1000 billion ISK offering but instead of being discouraged by the less than stellar response he decided to learn form his mistakes and launched Tash-Murkon Prime Industries half a year later.
After falling victim to Bad Bobby's Titans 4 U scheme and suffering from another default Ji Sama decided to close down TMPI but vanished from sight before completing the share buyback. The investors' response to this default was unusually mild (and late).
Ji Sama is a real-life acquaintance of Caleb Ayrania (and Rhivre is Caleb's girlfriend) and it is knownGäó that all scc-lounge visitors are actually Ji Sama alts.
There is a character (Childeric III) the control over which has not always been clear and may have been shared between Ji and Caleb at some times (I remember looking into this issue in 2009 and at the time I was unconvinced that Ji really had controlled that character throughout).
Many of Ji Sama's alts listed in his bond threads have been biomassed, including the "Antiquarian" character (which is easily confused with a prolific forum poster known as "The Antiquarian").
If you like conspiracy theories the facebook page linked in the TMPI thread will lead you to some hilarious posts (on ATS and similar sites) by a much younger (but recognizable) Ji Sama.
That's pretty much all there is to know.
If Ji Sama has hidden alts that he played on during his absence I would expect them to be hidden somewhere in plain sight.
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Mme Pinkerton
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Posted - 2012.09.07 14:32:00 -
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Ji Sama wrote:The main alts are still there.
mea culpa, some of them are not searchable via evewho which made me think hat they, too, had been biomassed (as that is how I had discovered this issue before)
turns out I was wrong and should have checked eve gate first
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Mme Pinkerton
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Posted - 2012.09.09 18:20:00 -
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Historical Research Advocate wrote:None of this was relevant or proves anything in particular.
None of this was addressing you.
As I said I am still willing to devote a few hours to look into whatever claims about ji Sama you might make but instead of providing information that might be of use in such an investigation you chose to biomass your character.
I don't understand why you would not be interested in giving credence to your claims but I acknowledge that this doesn't imply they are wrong (maybe the list of Ji Sama's secret alts is just too large to fit into the margin...  ).
My own motivation for interfering in this thread are as follows (no particular order):
1. I have talked to Ji Sama a few times and found him to be a very likable person. To my knowledge I did never conduct any business with Ji Sama and did not invest or advise other people to invest in any of his offerings.
2. The basic claim that (paraphrased) "Ji Sama played on alts while he was supposedly absent" is in my opinion not especially outlandish.
I am pretty sure I am not the only person in the history of MD who has done something of that sort 
3. Yet I don't see why this claim warrants investigation.
Whether you didn't pay your debt on time because you played on alts, because you played some other game or because you were busy doing real-life things doesn't change the fact that you didn't pay your debt on time.
When someone didn't find any opportunity to pay his debts over one-and-a-half years the issue preventing him from doing so is almost certainly a lack of motivation rather than any physical/RL constraints.
4. I believe that debts should be honored regardless of whether the creditor is still actively playing the game or not. The trend set by AATP, EBANK, et al is worrisome and the interests of inactive players may be underrepresented due to obvious reasons.
5. It is natural that the MD community is happy about every "lost" face that shows up again and brings back memories of old times and hope for the future. It is also understandable that investors are happy about any ISK that they had already believed lost but might still regain and tend to be very lenient on the debtor as a consequence.
I understand concerns that MD does too easily forgive defaults/delays of this sort - Kouryusei's return and disappearance being the most recent example.
However, I don't think this thread is the right place to voice such concerns - at this point nobody knows if Ji Sama plans on leveraging his "MD reputation" ever again and there is nothing wrong with showing up to pay old debts.
6. Ji Sama's flirt with discordianism requires me to take a completely agnostic approach towards the truth or falsehood of any statements of his.
I won't have access to the game client until September 17th but I will see what I can do digging around.
(edit: conspiracies everywhere)
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Mme Pinkerton
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Posted - 2012.09.10 07:53:00 -
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GOTMYEYEONYOU wrote:No one gives a flying ****. There's nothing to rehabilitate.
My plan had obviously been to restore Ji Sama's reputation from the damage it had taken from Historical Research Advocate's damning claims by proving that Ji doesn't have any secret alts.
Now that you have let me know that any such endeavour would be fruitless, that nobody cares and that my alt's Ji Sama's reputation is already damaged beyond repair I can safely leave the teapot at home and stop posting in this thread.
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Mme Pinkerton
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Posted - 2012.09.10 08:09:00 -
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in other words [because sarcasm is hard and trolls are annoying] - there is no way any research of mine could have resulted in a result that is beneficial to Ji Sama.
The outcome would either have been "I haven't found any secret alts" which is exactly the point we are at right now or "I have found a character that I believe to be a Ji Sama alt for reasons x & y and which has been demonstrably active between spring 2011 and summer 2012". "Ji Sama is cleared of all accusations" could not have been a possible outcome as demonstrating the absence of a needle within a haystack is not feasible.
For the same reason Ji Sama has no sensible way to react to these allegations and the burden of proof lies with whomever that makes such accusations (-> Russel's Teapot).
However, I have no reason to waste my time if even those who support the claims against Ji Sama show no interest whatsoever in seeing them substantiated and am happy to get out of this thread. Bye.
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