I guess the risk of keeping a system at 75% contested in order to maximize defensive LP payouts is that you risk loosing that system to an organized and motivated opponent.
How many plexes do you need to go from 75% - 80% to 100% ? (That is a real question, I really don't know)

I not sure the number of offensive plexer will drop back to pre-inferno levels, 20,000 LP for a small plex at tier 3 is still decent ISK.
But it's true that it may not be enough of an incentive to make a real push, we'll have to wait and see I guess.

I am only sad that they didnt discuss the 'reset timer' option.

Where if a farmer is driven out of a plex the timer starts to count down to 0.

Still leaves to much incentive for people to make farming alts. I guess CCP like the extra accounts people are making and it would not make business sense for them to kill a cash cow.

At least for someone like me plexing is a means to getting a fight, whatever lp is a bonus for me. Unlike 85% of militia though plexing in itself is the goal.

If i go into vlill alone with 9 wartargets in local and manage a good kill without capturing a plex I am a happy man. I will take that over capturing any plex or lp i would get from it.

75% contested means system has lost all upgrades, so it will only be applicable for fringe/redundant systems that are not needed to maintain a given WZC tier. For upgraded systems, will primarily be out of the way and/or core systems, the alt armies will have to start orbiting before LP buffer is depleted.

Otherwise, yeah. Still not "feeling" the urge to defend much of anything as I don't do alts ... but suggested changes are heaps better than what Inferno brought

you can sure upgrade system when it is 75% contested?

* Increase contested range: at the moment an hostile pilot will only contest a capture timer if he is within capture range (whose reach varies depending on the point above). We want to move the contested area to the whole complex range, which would mean as long as hostile pilot is within your room the capture timer would be paused.

*Gets in dramiel, plays the trolololo song*

So I guess we can look forward to perma-trolling plexes with MWD Condor alts and having ranged ships get dumped at scram range to the button on warp in.

The restrictions mean we're forced to ship down to T1 frigs for 'minors' (I literally don't even have a t1 frig on this character), and can look forward to Falcons in 'mediums'. Yay.

plex size changes including plex size restriction and button distance is ******* ********.
the only change they needed to make for plex changes is to require rats to be dead for timer to count down, and reverse timer when no one is in the plex.


edit: the npc dmg and tank i agree with though (to equalize things)

More or less this ^.


They are making some huge changes with unknown effects. Which is what they already did, and we see where that got us..
And if they take another 6 months to correct that mess?

75% contested means system has lost all upgrades,

Not true. The 300k buffer > # of LP sucked out at 75%.

This plus you may as well let them contest it to 75% before even adding any lp then there is no loss and losses at that point can be recouped by defensive plexing.

There is also a proposed cap where no offensive plexing lp is given.

If you were a very dominant faction you could let it get to vulnerable and then there would never be much incentive to plex the system as the offensive plexes would get no reward.

You just have to prevent them bashing the hub. Risky but then as you are space rich at level 5 and can deploy caps and then cyno jam the system you just have to be vigilant.

Feels like big swings to defending.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=150259&find=unread

Post here if you don't like ship restriction changes.

Why you whine about these changes? We know that in actual fact you love the fact there will only be logistic blobs now for "medium" plexes. You are just getting what CCP wanted. You have Dev playing for Gallente side and Hans in CSM.

So come next year, you should be where CCP/Hans wants you to be. Gallente/Matar on top, aided by the faulty mechanics and the fact that everyone and their dog joins matar for farming and sends them to Caldari space and situation is tightly stamped to place when NPC's remove farming and plex changes make it so that logistic blob can just roll around and defense everything.

Add this to fact the "Trolldor" factor you can do for plexes which you actually ALREADY DO (link boosted mwd vigil off grid to stop plex despawning) and there will be land grab before patch, it's going to benefit gal/matar and that's all she wrote.

And CCP/Hans get what they want, can declare victory and CCP shuts down FW since nobody is playing for Amarr/Caldari.

Man, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed ...


First, I don't think Justified Chaos are thrilled about logis, as they are all about 1337 pvp in frigs, skillz and all that crap that ppl invoke when they don't want to admit that they are afraid to put assets on the line. But I'm digressing.

Logistics shouldn't be an issue. After the great Inferno farm of 2012, logis should be pretty affordable for everyone in FW. As for SP, the "Caldari are rebuilding" argument held for a while, but by now your guys should have enough SP to be in logi themselves. As long as everyone can bring the same ships, it's not a problem.

As for the whole conspiracy theory ... I doubt one dev gets to decide how FW will change and I find the ideea that Hans would have any relevance in CCP strategy hilarious at best.

In one thing I agree with you though, the land grab will be interesting, because it will basically be a big game of chicken trying to balance cashing in and land grab. I suspect there will be a lot of meta involved, which imo is a lot of fun, but others might not enjoy it so much.

If i want to fly logi blobs i go to 0.0. Who really wants those in FW?