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Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.04.17 05:33:00 -
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Edited by: Julianus Soter on 17/04/2011 05:34:57
Edited by: Julianus Soter on 17/04/2011 05:33:55
Good evening pilots of the Placid region, and across the broader frontier systems. I'm pleased to announce the formation of a new market for you to purchase the latest and most advanced ammunition and combat drones, to fill all of your combat needs.
This new lowsec bazaar is located in the Agoze IX-2 Center for Advanced Studies School, centrally located between the Verge Vendor and Placid lowsec routes.
This is just the first iteration of the establishment on the market, but if successful, our analysts predict an expansion to a much more comprehensive lineup of equipment and products, ranging from laser crystals to advanced combat boosters.
Moira. Corporation is not operating alone in this endeavor, and we thank our enthusiastic and entrepreneurial partners for participating in this initiative.
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Sylorin
Caldari
MMZ Laboratories LLC
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Posted - 2011.04.17 05:57:00 -
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Low-sec huh? Good for avoiding CONCORD, but bad for business.
Piracy is a big concern. I don't think many people are going to risk hauling stuff to Agoze when there are other, safer markets.
Low-sec prices are usually high compared to safer high-sec markets. How much of a mark-up are we talking here?
Is this a free-port, or Federation only?
*The opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily reflect the opinions of MMZ Labs, LLC. |
Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.04.17 06:04:00 -
[3]
The market services are listed on the SEC NEOCOM market, and are, of course, available to all. Our target market is the growing number of lowsec and combat-capable capsuleers that need a more accessible market for their day to day needs. We're also expanding to the exploration base, with probe launchers and assortment of probes.
We have faith that as pilots become more comfortable dealing with combat threats in lowsec, they'll rely on the market hub to resupply and rearm. Humanity needs capsuleers outside of highsec, as well. And lowsec remains depopulated and untamed in many constellations. A significant opportunity for a savvy pilot.
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Sylorin
Caldari
MMZ Laboratories LLC
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Posted - 2011.04.17 06:07:00 -
[4]
Thanks for not answering any of my questions.
Good to see Moira helping out the pirate community.
Savvy?
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Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.04.17 06:13:00 -
[5]
The dynamic of lowsec often pits highsec capsuleers versus lowsec capsuleers. Pilots, seeking to resupply to continue anti-pirate operations, must often return behind the highsec gates. This provides pirates and the like the opportunity to camp these gates, thus creating a defensive perimeter few feel comfortable in breaching.
If a market is established in lowsec, and non-pirate capsuleers be encouraged to populate the area, then a more advantageous strategic situation may emerge. Highsec gates can no longer be the sole defence against anti-pirate patrols, and the pirate's main advantages are neutralized.
If I was unclear earlier, I apologize. The market is a free port. Not only because it's impossible to regulate who supports the federation and who does not, when placing items on the open market, but because we see the value of independent capsuleers and the opportunity they bring to improving the economy of the Placid region.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2011.04.17 09:47:00 -
[6]
Are the facilities equipped for slave trade?
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
GoGo Yubari
Veto.
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Posted - 2011.04.17 12:01:00 -
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The development of trade in the region can only be a good thing. I hope the opportunities inherent in the low security market graciously provided to you by the Intaki are wholly taken into account. You can sell stuff out there that's hard to come by elsewhere. Indeed, for too long this opportunity has been overlooked by capsuleers or any parties outside of the Serpentis, really.
Also, the nasty pirates roaming around push prices up. Convenient for you. Glad to be in business with you, sir.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.04.17 16:34:00 -
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I don't know how many times I'll have to say this, but station markets are free ports, available to all capsuleers, and all goods. You can sell anything, buy anything on the market. Moira. takes no responsibility for any goods offered at the Station, besides those we are selling on our corporate market orders.
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Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.04.17 22:42:00 -
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Namas Mr Soter.
This is good news for Agoze and the Viriette constellation as a whole. I applaud the efforts of your corporation and partners in seeking to improve the local economy.
I'm hopeful that the ongoing success of the Intaki 5-5 tradehub will spread to this venture in neighbouring Agoze.
With these two systems the focus of commercial and trade projects I'm confident the local economy and population will benefit greatly.
The Intaki Prosperity Initiative has learned valuable lessons during the months of hard work and investment fostering the Intaki 5-5 trade hub. During this time solid trading relationships have been established with a number of Placid based corporations, both industrialists and merchants themselves. I strongly recommend you look to our experiences so that an Agoze trading centre can flourish in the same way.
I wish you good profits and safe trading.
Bataav
Diplomat. ILF
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GoGo Yubari
Veto.
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Posted - 2011.04.18 01:19:00 -
[10]
 Originally by: Julianus Soter
I don't know how many times I'll have to say this, but station markets are free ports, available to all capsuleers, and all goods. You can sell anything, buy anything on the market. Moira. takes no responsibility for any goods offered at the Station, besides those we are selling on our corporate market orders.
Yes, sounds eminently sensible indeed! I appreciate how you have embraced the region's prevalent morality.
Love by nature. Live by luck. Kill by profession. |
Ammentio Oinkelmar
Gallente
Gallente Independent Progressive Alternative
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Posted - 2011.04.19 20:46:00 -
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This commendable effort proves that trade does not need high public investments to fourish. Large areas of Placid have been left to develop by their own accord for a long time and now we see how this far-sighted Federal policy is starting to bear fruit. New trade hubs and other economic activities are constantly spawning into existence.
It is good to remember that historically speaking almost the whole volume of space currently known as the Federation has once been a low security area. The early expansionists were brave and courageous men and women, always ready to face the unknown. This is the spirit our country needs, and it makes me proud to see that we have not yet lost the qualities that once built up our greatness.
It would like to offer my sincere approval for your enterprise. Agoze is probably an attractive location for this kind of business, as the traffic from Loes and Ostingele merges there. The next time I have official business in the Viriette constellation, I will certainly visit your shop.
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Jev North
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.04.19 21:19:00 -
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Good business sense. People getting their knickers in a twist over the fact that you're selling to "bad people" as well are invited to fully engage their grey matter.. unless you're in some unlikely kind of monopoly position, your enemies are going to arm themselves one way or another. They might as well pay you for the privilege, yes?
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Boma Airaken
White Song
Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2011.04.20 00:28:00 -
[13]
You couldn't find a less filthy turd to try and polish?
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The Antiquarian
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.21 21:41:00 -
[14]
I fully support this lucrative venture. Keep up the great work.
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Teutonii
Viriette MicroLabs
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Posted - 2011.04.21 23:28:00 -
[15]
This is good.
I'll be watching how the trading goes in Agoze to see if it's worth me expanding from Intaki or not.
Will you be releasing trading figures and statistics so that an informed decision can be made?
Teutonii
CEO. Viriette MicroLabs
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Althea Ekran
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.04.22 04:41:00 -
[16]
Present value of all Agora sell orders, 448 million isk.
Present value of all Agora buy orders, 90.7 milion isk.
Value of sales thus far executed in Agoze, 9-2 station: 57 million isk.
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Althea Ekran
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.06.03 02:46:00 -
[17]
Update on Operation Agora:
Present value of all Agora sell orders, 90.9 million isk.
Present value of all Agora buy orders, 32.5 milion isk.
Value of sales thus far executed in Agoze, 9-2 station: 414 million isk.
Thus far, market has proven to be a significant success. Profit margin of 11% on average for all goods has been recorded, while still beating the regional average.
Moira will be expanding this initiative in the coming months.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.03 02:51:00 -
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A pirate market... hmm.
Is there a demand for this sort of thing? Like, are there -10.0 security pilots who *can't* source core empire goods reliably?
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Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.06.03 02:52:00 -
[19]
I believe the numbers speak for themselves, Istvaan.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.03 03:00:00 -
[20]
They do somewhat, despite being such adorably tiny numbers, however I can't help but think that your profit margins could be improved with a bit of creatively applied aggression.
Problem: Pirates with -10.0 sec can't get empire-produced goods reliably enough.
Solution: Create a market accessible to those who cannot enter empire.
Better solution: Identify all other suppliers of empire goods to low-sec, and either strangle or co-opt them.
Hmm, I'll give this some thinking. I smell profit here.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.06.03 03:02:00 -
[21]
Edited by: Julianus Soter on 03/06/2011 03:04:44
Considering the volume traded monthly in the Placid Region, the Agoze Agora market has achieved remarkable market share in such a short period of time.
Our purpose is to provide high quality equipment to pilots who simply don't operate in highsec. Those that wish to make use of the less colonized territories. As always, Moira has no corporate policy on the security status of any pilot purchasing equipment from the Agora market, and sales to such individuals in no way condones their activities.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.03 03:15:00 -
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Feels good to wash your hands, doesn't it ;)
Hmm. A thought occurs.
90 per cent of the capsuleer population active today still retains their self-preservation instincts from their pre-ascension meatbag phase, to a sufficient degree as to completely avoid low-sec systems. But, a handful still clearly brave that terrifying CONCORD warning about entering 0.4 to deliver their goods, and another handful produces goods in low/null regardless of fear.
Now... with a few centrally coordinated groups of malfeasants stationed at critical empire > lowsec junctions, and truly dedicated to their task... one could engineer the specter of certain death to hang over that 90 per cent plus change, ensuring fewer and fewer of them dare to cross the border where CONCORD will no longer hold your hand. Theoretically, you could achieve a near-total strangulation of goods between empire and low-sec.
Now, a dumb businessman would use such a stranglehold to jack up prices. A smart businessman would use discounts to get all those lovely pirates, now hopefully more dependent on your goods than before, to do what the businessman wants them to do. Expand chokepoint operations, for example...
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Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.06.03 03:19:00 -
[23]
Unfortunately, you assume there are sufficient pirates with the desire to stare at stargates all day, at all of the crossings.
The theorycrafting is nice, but not very applicable to the current dynamic.
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Jason Galente
Gallente
Sentinels Academy
Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.03 03:28:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Feels good to wash your hands, doesn't it ;)
Hmm. A thought occurs.
90 per cent of the capsuleer population active today still retains their self-preservation instincts from their pre-ascension meatbag phase, to a sufficient degree as to completely avoid low-sec systems. But, a handful still clearly brave that terrifying CONCORD warning about entering 0.4 to deliver their goods, and another handful produces goods in low/null regardless of fear.
Now... with a few centrally coordinated groups of malfeasants stationed at critical empire > lowsec junctions, and truly dedicated to their task... one could engineer the specter of certain death to hang over that 90 per cent plus change, ensuring fewer and fewer of them dare to cross the border where CONCORD will no longer hold your hand. Theoretically, you could achieve a near-total strangulation of goods between empire and low-sec.
Now, a dumb businessman would use such a stranglehold to jack up prices. A smart businessman would use discounts to get all those lovely pirates, now hopefully more dependent on your goods than before, to do what the businessman wants them to do. Expand chokepoint operations, for example...
The man is an evil genius.. 
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2011.06.03 05:05:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Julianus Soter
Unfortunately, you assume there are sufficient pirates with the desire to stare at stargates all day, at all of the crossings.
The theorycrafting is nice, but not very applicable to the current dynamic.
That's the difference between you and I, my friend.
You adapt to the current dynamic; I merely create a new one.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 11:06:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Julianus Soter
Edited by: Julianus Soter on 03/06/2011 02:49:06
Good evening pilots of the Placid region, and across the broader frontier systems. I'm pleased to announce the formation of a new market for you to purchase the latest and most advanced ammunition and combat drones, to fill all of your combat needs.
This new lowsec bazaar is located in the Agoze IX-2 Center for Advanced Studies School, centrally located between the Verge Vendor and Placid lowsec routes.
This is just the first iteration of the establishment on the market, but if successful, our analysts predict an expansion to a much more comprehensive lineup of equipment and products, ranging from laser crystals to advanced combat boosters.
Moira. Corporation is not operating alone in this endeavor, and we thank our enthusiastic and entrepreneurial partners for participating in this initiative.
See this is actually a worthwhile use of Moira's time and energy. If you concentrated more on this kind of thing and spent less time interfering with and baiting against NRDS freespacers in the course of their business and activities your corporation would be in a considerably better position in the Placid region. Pure free-market commerce is something I can definitely applaud.
I'll take the opportunity to suggest you add some additional product lines to the Agoze market while I'm here:
Drake class Battlecruisers
Heavy Assault Launcher II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Stasis Webbifier II
Warp Scrambler II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Caldari Navy Faction Terror Assault Missiles
Terror Rage Assault Missiles (T2)
Hobgoblin II Light Drones
Hornet ECM light Drones
Medium EW shield resistence rigs
Medium Thermal Shield resistence rigs
Thermic Paste
If you feel up to the tast of supplying this equipment to the Agoze market I'm sure you'll be able to report a significant increase in your throughput and profit margins in the next update.
The Free Captains of the Star Fraction are always happy to buy from our enemies!
Join the Revolution!
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Aesis Tori
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.06.03 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
...I'll take the opportunity to suggest you add some additional product lines to the Agoze market while I'm here:
Drake class Battlecruisers
Heavy Assault Launcher II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II...
Shall we stock some 'auto targeter I' for you also?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 13:59:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Aesis Tori
Originally by: Jade Constantine
...I'll take the opportunity to suggest you add some additional product lines to the Agoze market while I'm here:
Drake class Battlecruisers
Heavy Assault Launcher II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II...
Shall we stock some 'auto targeter I' for you also?
If you like but I don't think there will be much profit in those :)
Join the Revolution!
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 14:48:00 -
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400m investment over 6 weeks and all you take home is 40m?
That is pretty atrocious lol.
In our minmatar arms campaign I was turning over ~600m a week with 15% profit.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.03 14:52:00 -
[30]
Interesting that you chose to set up shop right next door to an established and moderately successful effort to construct a low-sec trade hub.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 15:48:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Interesting that you chose to set up shop right next door to an established and moderately successful effort to construct a low-sec trade hub.
Why? We'd have had no problems whatsoever if Soter had managed to keep his blaster cannons in its pants and mind his own business.
Join the Revolution!
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Tetsu Nakahama
Girochin Sha
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Posted - 2011.06.03 15:49:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Interesting that you chose to set up shop right next door to an established and moderately successful effort to construct a low-sec trade hub.
Presumably an additional source of goods in the area was an attraction if the presence of this trade hub factored at all in their decision.
Is your point that potentially the Star Fraction intended to setup a competing hub? I do not see how that could be a problem. Competition is part of introducing vitality to the space-industrial market in a region like Placid.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 15:53:00 -
[33]
Quite so dear sir, you are most perceptive. The creation of truly viable market hubs requires more than one lone organization to make the effort successful. Still, regardless of the conflict in space I repeat my encouragement to Soter and his crew ... keep stocking the market! We'll be happy to buy if the price is right 
Join the Revolution!
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 16:06:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Gabriel Darkefyre on 03/06/2011 16:08:24
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Interesting that you chose to set up shop right next door to an established and moderately successful effort to construct a low-sec trade hub.
Alternatively, the choice was made to set up in a Low Sec System right next door to an established and moderately successful Regional Trade Hub (Stacmon) before this project was ever announced by Moira.
Take your Pick, I guess.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.03 16:07:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Why? We'd have had no problems whatsoever if Soter had managed to keep his blaster cannons in its pants and mind his own business.
I wasn't even talking to you.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.06.03 16:09:00 -
[36]
As of this moment, none of the products currently offered in the Intaki market are of the variety of those we provide in Agoze. Indeed, Sanya seems to take significant interest in the market as her source for a variety of goods. Additionally, the Agoze market provides a significant discount vs. the regional prices in Stacmon and Orvolle, across the board.
Ms. Ekran has provided new sales data for today:
Value of new sell orders on Agoze market: 305 million isk.
Total value of sell orders now available in Agoze: 395 million isk.
Re: The Fractionite snark in the back of the room. . . we'd be more than happy to supply inferior ship classes to our enemies if they're of that suicidal persuasion.
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Lianna Darkefyre
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Posted - 2011.06.03 16:10:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Lianna Darkefyre on 03/06/2011 16:10:39
((OOC Edit: Forum Settings have a Mind of their own!))
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 16:12:00 -
[38]
Ah, my Mistake. Would appear Mr. Ixiris was directing that comment to Moira with Regards to the existing Low Sec Hub in the Intaki System.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.03 16:19:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre
Ah, my Mistake.
Hoo boy, Gabriel, you're a terrible fit for Star Fraction.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Tetsu Nakahama
Girochin Sha
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Posted - 2011.06.03 16:21:00 -
[40]
I too made that error! Perhaps a misreading of the conversational flow of this thread.
Still, I would believe the point as to competition and vitality holds good. To that extent, Moira are to be commended for adding competitive pressures to the Intaki and local systems trade environment û as any other market actors who involve themselves in the area should be commended.
I am clearly misunderstanding the last remark about inferior ships though. It almost feels like some kind of knee-jerk racial prejudice against Caldari designs but I am sure that must be an error on my part.
I wonder in what way the Drake-class battlecruiser can be considered an inferior design though? I confess to puzzlement as my Caldari comrade, Osip Volya, swears by his Drake.
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Jason Galente
Gallente
Sentinels Academy
Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.03 16:32:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Quite so dear sir, you are most perceptive. The creation of truly viable market hubs requires more than one lone organization to make the effort successful. Still, regardless of the conflict in space I repeat my encouragement to Soter and his crew ... keep stocking the market! We'll be happy to buy if the price is right
I think I'm seeing a bit of a pattern here.
War --> Business --> War --> Business
And at the very end.. profit. Suddenly this conflict seems less idealistic and more opportunistic.
I know where I will be when my time comes. What remains to be determined is when I get there. |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
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Posted - 2011.06.03 16:49:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Jason Galente
War --> Business --> War --> Business
And at the very end.. profit. Suddenly this conflict seems less idealistic and more opportunistic.
"Entrepreneurs are simply those who understand that there is little difference between obstacle and opportunity and are able to turn both to their advantage."
Welcome to New Eden.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-llustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
God's Banker: Buying Stocks in Hell, and compromising photos of angels in a system near you. |
Jason Galente
Gallente
Sentinels Academy
Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.03 16:51:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Jason Galente
War --> Business --> War --> Business
And at the very end.. profit. Suddenly this conflict seems less idealistic and more opportunistic.
"Entrepreneurs are simply those who understand that there is little difference between obstacle and opportunity and are able to turn both to their advantage."
Welcome to New Eden.
Revan Neferis
Thrice-llustrious Sovereign
Sani Sabik
Ah Ms. Neferis  Always a pleasure. Please do me a favor and relieve me of this naivety 
I know where I will be when my time comes. What remains to be determined is when I get there. |
Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 17:15:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre
Ah, my Mistake.
Hoo boy, Gabriel, you're a terrible fit for Star Fraction.
For what it's worth, Mr. Ixiris...
On Second thoughts, let me begin that again. We've flow together in the Past, you and I, if you're comfortable enough to use my Given name then I guess I should give you the same Courtesy.
Andreus, for myself, I find that the strongest Chains are those we form for ourselves through refusing to see where we have gone wrong. To be truely free, as a man, being able to recognise errors within ourselves, admit to those faults and seek to rectify them is but the first step on a long road.
*Gabriel Grins* OK, enough with the Philosophical Introspection for now. Still think I'm a bad fit for the Fraction?
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.03 18:28:00 -
[45]
Yeeeeeeeeaaaahh.
If you were trying to strengthen my convictions that you're a terrible fit for Star Fraction - well, congratulations, I haven't seen someone convince me of something so quickly as you have for two and a half years.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 19:18:00 -
[46]
Thank you, I'll take that as a compliment! You do have to admit, however, that the idea that every member of an Anarchist group would conform to some kind of "Cookie Cutter" baseline does seem more than a little strange. From my short exposure to the Fraction so far, I can certainly say, no two members are exactly alike.
Each man walks the Path for their own reasons, Andreus, if they choose to walk it at all. Some walk many Paths in their life, some struggle to even find one. For good or ill, this is the Path I walk now.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 19:43:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Jason Galente
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Quite so dear sir, you are most perceptive. The creation of truly viable market hubs requires more than one lone organization to make the effort successful. Still, regardless of the conflict in space I repeat my encouragement to Soter and his crew ... keep stocking the market! We'll be happy to buy if the price is right
I think I'm seeing a bit of a pattern here.
War --> Business --> War --> Business
And at the very end.. profit. Suddenly this conflict seems less idealistic and more opportunistic.
I think you are confusing the two issues here. Our conflict with Moira is simply an assertion of our rights to free passage and access to lowsec trade markets. You can certainly see that as an idealistic conflict. But beyond that yes, there is also money to be made. The greatest triumph of the anarchist ideal is that its profoundly profitable. We began our journey in New Eden as traders and blockade-runners seeking profits in marginal markets since the revolution needs assets to succeed. Promoting the growth of lowsec and nullsec hubs serves our purposes for certain.
Join the Revolution!
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.03 19:53:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre
however, that the idea that every member of an Anarchist group would conform to some kind of "Cookie Cutter" baseline does seem more than a little strange.
Yes. An anarchist group that conformed to a cookie cutter baseline would be very strange.
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Andreus Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Azure Skyclad
Amarr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 20:00:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre
however, that the idea that every member of an Anarchist group would conform to some kind of "Cookie Cutter" baseline does seem more than a little strange.
Yes. An anarchist group that conformed to a cookie cutter baseline would be very strange.
Andy is so cute when he tries to be clever. 
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.03 20:56:00 -
[50]
Yeah, I occasionally succeed at it. Haven't seen Star Fraction do that yet. Then again, you don't really try, so I guess credit where it's due for sticking to what you know.
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CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.03 20:59:00 -
[51]
This is a worthy project that will hopefully encourage more Federation pilots to use the CAS station in Agoze as an alternative base of operations. I firmly believe that one day the Agoze CAS station in Placid will be as successful of a low sec market hub as the Heydieles M19 station is in Essence.
I pledge my support to this effort by purchasing supplies and selling loot whenever possible.
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Azure Skyclad
Amarr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 21:19:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Yeah, I occasionally succeed at it.
Protip: This isn't one of those occasions.
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Mammal Tafren
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2011.06.03 21:54:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Drake class Battlecruisers
Heavy Assault Launcher II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Stasis Webbifier II
Warp Scrambler II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Caldari Navy Faction Terror Assault Missiles
Terror Rage Assault Missiles (T2)
Hobgoblin II Light Drones
Hornet ECM light Drones
Medium EW shield resistence rigs
Medium Thermal Shield resistence rigs
Thermic Paste
Jade,
As Julianus has said, Moira seems to be avoiding excessive crossover between the two hubs. If you check the Intaki Hub, however, I think you'll find all these items for sale with the possible exception of the faction missiles.
Happy shopping.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.03 21:56:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Azure Skyclad
Protip: This isn't one of those occasions.
In your not-so-humble and oh-so-significant opinion. It implied what I intended it to imply and invoked the response I intended it to invoke, and it didn't have to explain the joke to make itself understood.
Ah, but perhaps you'd have prefered it if I had spelled things out for you?
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CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Jason Galente
Gallente
Sentinels Academy
Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.03 22:26:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Jason Galente on 03/06/2011 22:27:34
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Yeah, I occasionally succeed at it. Haven't seen Star Fraction do that yet.
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Azure Skyclad
Amarr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.03 22:59:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Azure Skyclad
Protip: This isn't one of those occasions.
In your not-so-humble and oh-so-significant opinion. It implied what I intended it to imply and invoked the response I intended it to invoke, and it didn't have to explain the joke to make itself understood.
Ah, but perhaps you'd have prefered it if I had spelled things out for you?
Refraining from trying to be clever prevents you from looking stupid Andy.
The clues were there.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.04 12:59:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Mammal Tafren
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Drake class Battlecruisers
Heavy Assault Launcher II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Stasis Webbifier II
Warp Scrambler II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II
Caldari Navy Faction Terror Assault Missiles
Terror Rage Assault Missiles (T2)
Hobgoblin II Light Drones
Hornet ECM light Drones
Medium EW shield resistence rigs
Medium Thermal Shield resistence rigs
Thermic Paste
Jade,
As Julianus has said, Moira seems to be avoiding excessive crossover between the two hubs. If you check the Intaki Hub, however, I think you'll find all these items for sale with the possible exception of the faction missiles.
Happy shopping.
That is excellent monsieur Tafren. Very good indeed! Very encouraging to see the spirit of free commerce alive and well in the region.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.04 13:20:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Azure Skyclad
Refraining from trying to be clever prevents you from looking stupid Andy.
No it doesn't. You can still look stupid without ever having tried to be clever. I mean, you're proof of this.
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CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Kalaratiri
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.06.04 13:46:00 -
[59]
*sighs*
Come to the IGS they said. Sensible and adult conversation they said.
Anyway, good luck to Moira with your endeavour.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 11:20:00 -
[60]
Ignore the ignorant noise-making of the peanut gallery is my advise.
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Azure Skyclad
Amarr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 17:49:00 -
[61]
Awwwww. Flicking peanuts at Andy's cage makes him squawk though.
Lets be honest, it's about the only thing he's good for.........It's about the only thing he's capable of.
Azure flicks another peanut.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.13 13:17:00 -
[62]
Just placing a note here that following the destruction of Moira'a HQ tower "Argos" in Pelille system we brought the surviving economic structures across to their lowsec trade hub in Agoze and placed the items on the market in an auction contract.
We hope that genuine neutral commerce organizations can make use of this equipment and bring some real properity and commercial vitality to the region!
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James Syagrius
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.06.14 05:58:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Just placing a note here that following the destruction of Moira'a HQ tower "Argos" in Pelille system we brought the surviving economic structures across to their lowsec trade hub in Agoze and placed the items on the market in an auction contract.
We hope that genuine neutral commerce organizations can make use of this equipment and bring some real properity and commercial vitality to the region!
I will regret replying to you, and may even lose my position in Moria for doing so.
~snorts~ Which will be no great loss to them I am sure.
But I was so offended by the sheer magnitude of tactlessness shown in your aforementioned post, that I found it imposible to remain silent.
My contribution to this war has been minimal, mostly involving the loss of ships.
I admit that I had a certain grudging admiration for you Ms. Constantine, if for nothing else the longevity of your organization and your personal ability to convince people to believe in the cause you clam to champion.
In short to me our fight was not personal.
Your crassness in ôvictoryö is emblematic of your low character.
My dedication to this war has been tepid at best. I felt it was little more than the contention of egos, and not worth the expenditure of my personal resources. That has changed.
To you madam I may be a bug to be swatted, but to me you are no longer a foe, youÆre an enemy.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.14 12:03:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 14/06/2011 12:06:04
Originally by: James Syagrius
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Just placing a note here that following the destruction of Moira'a HQ tower "Argos" in Pelille system we brought the surviving economic structures across to their lowsec trade hub in Agoze and placed the items on the market in an auction contract.
We hope that genuine neutral commerce organizations can make use of this equipment and bring some real properity and commercial vitality to the region!
I will regret replying to you, and may even lose my position in Moria for doing so ... To you madam I may be a bug to be swatted, but to me you are no longer a foe, youÆre an enemy.
Any organization that would terminate your association for the crime of speaking your mind in public is not an organization that is worthy of your time. We are capsuleers with vast potential and freedoms undreamed by those who came before. Nobody should restrict your speech and opinions James Syagrius. And you should not surrender these things for any cause.
To me you are not "a bug" or any such crass dismissal of your sentience. And you are neither my foe nor enemy in truth. I do not make war on people like you James Syagrius. My enemies are not people, my enemies are not organizations either. My enemies are old regressive ideas with no place in the future. The real challenge is to destroy these ideas by changing the minds of people and you cannot do that if they are dead.
Why are we fighting here James Syagrius? We are fighting because your leader attempted to command the Free Captains of the Fraction and tell us where we could or could not travel. That is the essence of our conflict and it is the expression of the idea of territorial restriction against the idea of free commerce and open trade.
Were I you I would reject the false council of your leader and look instead to a brighter future. Where one embraces neutral commerce rather than shooting it, turning your weapons upon targets that truly mean you harm, rather than on those seeking to enrich the economy of independent minds on the frontier for the benefit of all honest men.
So I reject your enmity.
And I urge you to do assess your thoughts anew.
Like the contents of your industrial HQ the meaningful elements survive. These laboratories and silos and reactors have transcended the destruction of the guns and scramblers and neutralizers and may be used again by those with the thoughts to seek honest commerce in Placid.
It is a metaphor I think you should consider.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.06.14 15:35:00 -
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Meanwhile, Star Fraction's new, brilliant strategy is spamming evemails to our corporation memberlist. How Splendid.
This war was declared by Star Fraction for one purpose only: to eliminate those that disagree with them.
Through their history for the past eight years, they have followed the same pattern.
And now they repeat history once again. They decided to find an easy target to shoot, or so they thought. This target fought back, and they got personally insulted by it. How quaint.
Well, Moira is still here, and it will always be here, Jade Constantine. This is not simply an opinion, but an inevitability.
We are a community not built on an ego, but mutual understanding and respect for each others' abilities for capsuleers.
In the end, Star Fraction has failed, and it always has failed. It has descended into the dark depths of capsuleer dementia and insanity, leaving behind any semblance of rationality for their actions, besides the sheer thrill of killing and the cheap joys of gloating on the IGS.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.14 15:43:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Julianus Soter
Meanwhile, Star Fraction's new, brilliant strategy is spamming evemails to our corporation memberlist. How Splendid. This war was declared by Star Fraction for one purpose only: to eliminate those that disagree with them.
I don't believe any useful purpose is now being served by your footstamping or penchant for lying Julianus Soter. Your corporate membership has been appraised of the circumstances of war and current events so they may understand why things have happened. You have involved your corporation in this conflict by your own actions as is clearly revealed by the information made available to your corp mates at this time. I can understand why a dictatorship wishes to keep its servants in the dark - but it is not the way of the Fraction to respect such wishes. Information longs to be free.
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In the end, Star Fraction has failed, and it always has failed. It has descended into the dark depths of capsuleer dementia and insanity, leaving behind any semblance of rationality for their actions, besides the sheer thrill of killing and the cheap joys of gloating on the IGS.
Now you are making absolutely no sense at all. This is a war that you personally provoked that has come home to annihilate your HQ tower in Pelille and has seen you abandon all possible principle or self-respect in your choice of unsuccessful patrons and defenders. Now you have a single opportunity to act as a leader rather than a spoiled little rich boy playing at politics and it will be seen if you rise to the challenge or simply hurl your toys from the pram in exasperated angst.
The IGS is watching Julianus Soter. Time to make a choice.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.06.14 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Julianus Soter on 14/06/2011 15:49:32
Everyone is free to express their opinions. Just some, such as Star Fraction, are more free than others, yes?
This is nothing more than the lowly tripe of might-make-right in 0.0 space, Jade Constantine. Every passing day you continue this perverse conflict, you drag your alliance's name through the same mire you claim to have elevated yourselves above.
And meanwhile, we continue.
You claimed to be hostile to Moira to begin with, while we were fighting the Caldari State. We reciprocated those standings for the defense of our own pilots from your wanton aggression.
We then destroyed a stealth bomber, in keeping with that policy.
Then you claimed, with no evidence, that we were set neutral.
What is clear, now, is that Star Fraction's much-vaunted NRDS policy is a ruse, used as an at-hand excuse for declaring war on whoever they wish.
They failed to remove the pirates in the Ostingele system, which they claimed to be fighting. How much more transparent can their claims to the economic interest of the Placid region can it get?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.14 15:57:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Julianus Soter
Everyone is free to express their opinions. Just some, such as Star Fraction, are more free than others, yes?
Your were very free to express your opinion of the Star Fraction by destroying a Fedaykin class torpedo bomber in 0.0 Syndicate Julianus Soter.
Just as we were very free to react to that consequence by making war on your corporation and annhilating your HQ tower in Pelille. That is the way of life and mutual coexistence on the Frontier. Choices, action and consequence.
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You claimed to be hostile to Moira to begin with, while we were fighting the Caldari State. We reciprocated those standings for the defense of our own pilots from your wanton aggression. We then destroyed a stealth bomber, in keeping with that policy.
I assure you that your standings were neutral at that point otherwise you'd have been eliminated during the course of your involvement against Sansha incursions earlier in the year instead of aided on those occasions by fleets of Fraction vessels.
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What is clear, now, is that Star Fraction's much-vaunted NRDS policy is a ruse, used as an at-hand excuse for declaring war on whoever they wish.
You are sounding increasingly desperate now Julianus and going down the path of Mizhara De'thul will hardly aid your case. I'm not sure anyone will follow how you destroying one of our stealth bombers in Syndicate, getting set red and then near-obliterated in a formal wardec represents a failure of our NRDS policy. I'd say if anything it shows that policy has teeth and should be a warning against foolish aggression from entities of your scale and capability in the future.
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They failed to remove the pirates in the Ostingele system, which they claimed to be fighting. How much more transparent can their claims to the economic interest of the Placid region can it get?
Have we failed? It looks to me very much as if we've done rather better than you have on that score Soter.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:07:00 -
[69]
The HQ tower that had its defenses offlined, as it was in the process of being taken down?
Thanks for saving me five hours of work, by the way.
Stop pretending to have legitimate interests in this wardec, Jade Constantine. Your own words betray your cause.
You claim to seek economic access, but indeed, that would seem to be instead economic hegemony, something directly against the purposes of the Star Fraction creed.
This can be resolved into the most simple terms: You sought to eliminate a competitor to make it less difficult for yourself. You seek to eliminate other competitors in the region in a desperate attempt to rebuild your alliance. We were a stepping stone to that goal.
The stepping stone fought back, and Jade took it personally. That's all that there is to know about this conflict.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:20:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Julianus Soter
The HQ tower that had its defenses offlined, as it was in the process of being taken down? Thanks for saving me five hours of work, by the way.
If that is true (which I doubt) why did you allow your corp mates to uselessly sacrifice themselves to defend a tower that you had already opted to abandon. Didn't you think to tell them it was a pointless fight before letting them demonstrate more courage in 30mins than you have shown in the last 2 months?
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Stop pretending to have legitimate interests in this wardec, Jade Constantine. Your own words betray your cause ... This can be resolved into the most simple terms: You sought to eliminate a competitor to make it less difficult for yourself. You seek to eliminate other competitors in the region in a desperate attempt to rebuild your alliance. We were a stepping stone to that goal. The stepping stone fought back, and Jade took it personally. That's all that there is to know about this conflict.
We had full justification to respond to your aggression Soter. You brought the war onto the heads of your corporation through your arrogance and baiting of the Free Captains. Now you are simply spinning wildly like a red-faced child caught with his hand in the cookie jar of poor excuses.
And freed of your spiteful presence in Placid we're finding the elimination of the regional gcc hostiles quite a pleasant task!
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Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:29:00 -
[71]
We wanted to annoy you, and see exactly what the fits of those bomebrs were. Wasn't very 'needless', we wanted to make a point.
You'd note the unanchored modules inside the tower shield, and the offlined defenses. The ship maintenance bay was empty. In conclusion, the tower is inconsequential to our strategic plans, and was instead drawing isk in fuel from us, so we decided to begin taking it down.
Indeed, it had served brilliantly, as Star Fraction sacrificed around three billion isk of assets against it. Fortunately, by the time SF finally destroyed the tower, all crew and command staff had long been evacuated.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:35:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Julianus Soter
We wanted to annoy you, and see exactly what the fits of those bomebrs were. Wasn't very 'needless', we wanted to make a point.
When you say "we" is that the royal "we" - because we certainly didn't see you at the fight.
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You'd note the unanchored modules inside the tower shield, and the offlined defenses. The ship maintenance bay was empty. In conclusion, the tower is inconsequential to our strategic plans, and was instead drawing isk in fuel from us, so we decided to begin taking it down.
When one plans an organized take-down of a pos the practise is to offline and unanchor each module in turn rather than offlining ALL modules on the tower simultaneously Soter. I think it is far more likely that you simply messed up the fuel levels and ran out of liquid ozone thus betraying your corporation to a hopeless last action that you had no intention of supporting.
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Indeed, it had served brilliantly, as Star Fraction sacrificed around three billion isk of assets against it. Fortunately, by the time SF finally destroyed the tower, all crew and command staff had long been evacuated.
As stated elsewhere the war thus far has been quite close in terms of raw isk damage (though you have lost 3x as many ships) but I will note you are rather effective at sacrificing your allies and corpmates and avoiding much personal discomfort Soter.
Still by all means claim "we didn't want that HQ anyways" it does contrast rather neatly with your boasts on the Moira war thread from six weeks ago about removing Star Fraction from Placid 
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Althea Ekran
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:38:00 -
[73]
Jules didn't need to be, dear. I was acting there on his behalf.
I'm still confused by 'three times as many ships destroyed' when your killboard lists pods, insurance-provided frigates, and POS modules as 'ships', and the metric itself ignores the entirety of the value per ship destroyed or lost.
Regardless, Jules wanted to mention he's off to go do some work, so, I trust you can keep yourself entertained while he's gone, Jade darling?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:41:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Althea Ekran
I'm still confused by 'three times as many ships destroyed' when your killboard lists pods, insurance-provided frigates, and POS modules as 'ships', and the metric itself ignores the entirety of the value per ship destroyed or lost.
If we included tower modules would be four times. The metric of value of course in this campaign is "whether Moira have succeeded in driving the Fraction from Placid." Seeing on the results thus far it can be said we're doing rather well on that one.
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Althea Ekran
Moira.
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Posted - 2011.06.14 16:49:00 -
[75]
I'm fairly sure a single frigate isn't equivalent to a Raven-class battleship. That's the false equivalency I was driving home earlier dear. Anyway, I'm sure the IGS truly does appreciate the continuous spam you're flooding the system with, so I'll let you go on, and on, and on. ..
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:17:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Althea Ekran
I'm fairly sure a single frigate isn't equivalent to a Raven-class battleship. That's the false equivalency I was driving home earlier dear...
Whereas I am quite certain that a single pos module activated against said Raven-class battleship killed by somebody else entirely hardly has the same impact in overall campaign flow than a simple assessment of aims and objectives achieved does. The problem with K/D efficiency assessments is it is exceedingly easy to "cook the books" and make it look like one is winning when in fact one's organization is being kicked up and down the length of Placid like an unloved stepchild.
Case in point Ms Ekran. Almost 75% of the apparent isk-damage "achieved" by Moira in the fighting was achieved by single Moira vessels/pos modules making exceptionally minor contributions to engagements that were completed by other forces. This is hardly a meaningful way of assessing progress to anyone interested in actually "winning" a war rather than salving hurt feelings while losing one. A point you might do well to ponder as your organization considers war-strategy in the future.
Hence we present the simple exchange of vessels in space in our own assessments coupled with the primary measure of objectives achieved or not. In this case the measure of whether Moira could keep its primary objective of driving the Fraction from Placid. An objective I believe we can both agree Moira has failed at decisively thus far.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.15 17:34:00 -
[77]
I think our drugs lab may be having some unforseen effects on Mr Soter.
Seems to be living on another pane of existance all together.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.16 11:55:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Julianus Soter
You claimed to be hostile to Moira to begin with, while we were fighting the Caldari State. We reciprocated those standings for the defense of our own pilots from your wanton aggression. We then destroyed a stealth bomber, in keeping with that policy.
I think you are confusing yourself or otherwise attempting to confuse others with a distortion of reality here Soter. The only instance I can find of us previously referencing Moira would be (ironically) in the Mizhara Del'thul/Misan P'tek corp theft where I believe your pilot Jonny Damordred also accused us of breaching our NRDS standards and was told that Moira's time (as ultra-nationalists) would come. Now you would certainly have been in your rights to set us Red on that basis if it suited you. But on the further witness statement of your pilot Ilfort (and I quote)
Originally by: Ilfort
If I were in a stealth bomber in nullsec and allowed myself to get caught, I wouldn't expect any mercy. Nor would I hold a grudge, for allowing myself to get caught, in a stealthbomber, in nullsec.
I also wouldn't consider it pirating in nullsec seeing as no "laws" are broken. Now if the corporation that did the killing proclaimed to be NRDS in nullsec, then I might take slightly more offence. But we don't.
I personally wasn't there, but if I had been present I see no reason why I wouldn't have taken part in the kill. If the kill had been in low security space, I wouldn't have.
Edit: Sooplex, I know and accept that Star Fraction are a NRDS organisation. In lowsec, Moira. tends to maintain a NRDS policy as well. However, to assume that everyone will know, care and reciprocate with regards to your rules of engagement is arrogant and a bit silly.
There it seems quite clear that your group simply behaved as NBSI pilots "tend" to behave (in nullsec) and shot at a neutrally-flagged ship which contracts your own words in the paragraph above.
As a result Moira were formally confirmed as Red by the Star Fraction and have been treated accordingly ever since. I don't really see where your complaints are at this point - you just seem to have behaved as NBSI opportunists and been beaten black and blue for your behaviour and are now crying foul when those you hoped to score an easy kill against have demolished your corporate presence in Placid.
Originally by: Julianus Soter
Then you claimed, with no evidence, that we were set neutral.
I have stated correctly that your organization was neutral when it fired on our Stealth Bomber in Syndicate and is noted on the public comment on the killmail in question this action triggered the setting of -10 standing. You were not -10 at the time of this attack and as far as our records show have never been set -10 as an individual corp. (During your brief membership of Rote Kapelle alliance before they threw you out, you would of course have been flagged -10 on their behalf)
To counter your claim with the evidence required I've moved the initial report of aggression to the public section of the SF forums which clearly shows the post made by our pilot May Ke with the aggression log from your gang and the response of our director ClaireXXX setting your organization -10.
Had you already been -10 at this point (which I imagine is what you are attempting murkily to suggest) then why would this log and action have been posted?
Originally by: Julianus Soter
What is clear, now, is that Star Fraction's much-vaunted NRDS policy is a ruse, used as an at-hand excuse for declaring war on whoever they wish.
On the contrary - I believe what is clear is that you will say and claim almost anything to cover up your blushes at this point Soter. Including trying to smear the cluster's oldest and most famed NRDS freespace entity to make excuses for your misplaced and rather innept NBSI practises.
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