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Harm Pit
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Posted - 2011.04.23 01:06:00 -
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Interview with ccp on massively.com
Q:A lot of players have voiced disdain for Incarna as they think it's detracting from EVE as a space ship game. What would you say to them?
A:People are afraid of the unknown -- that's really what it is. We saw a lot of aversion to the new character creator as well, until people saw it. Then they said, "Oh yeah, so that's what they're building. That makes sense. Now I like it." People are afraid, I think, of change
You might not be able to hear my because I dove under the table in terror when i heard the Incarna word. butNo. We are not afraid of change.
PLEASE CHANGE THIS GAME
Please change the bugs, please change the lag, please change the big list of things the csm have presented you with a list of.
And most of all please change your patronising attitude.
Not to bothered about the wombling in station thing, you can leave that out if you want.
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voiddragon
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Posted - 2011.04.23 01:14:00 -
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The thing is, CCP have teams assigned to this stuff already so what do you want?
Do you want all other features postponed until lag is killed?
I mean, there are noticable changes in the performance of TQ lately with more upgrades promised. The problem is if you fix 1000 vs 1000 fights, you end up with 2000 vs 2000. Not to mention alliance fleets intentionally trying to crash nodes when they're losing.
Whining about new and other features is unproductive.
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Eve is dying
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Posted - 2011.04.23 01:15:00 -
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Adding to what EVE is today? You mean the long list of unpolished concept beta demos and unfulfiled contents and potentials? Great! Walking in station! Another vapourware proudly presented by CCP! etc etc
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voiddragon
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Posted - 2011.04.23 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Eve is dying Adding to what EVE is today? You mean the long list of unpolished concept beta demos and unfulfiled contents and potentials? Great! Walking in station! Another vapourware proudly presented by CCP! etc etc
U mad?
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Harm Pit
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Posted - 2011.04.23 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: voiddragon The thing is, CCP have teams assigned to this stuff already so what do you want?
Do you want all other features postponed until lag is killed?
I mean, there are noticable changes in the performance of TQ lately with more upgrades promised. The problem is if you fix 1000 vs 1000 fights, you end up with 2000 vs 2000. Not to mention alliance fleets intentionally trying to crash nodes when they're losing.
Whining about new and other features is unproductive.
NAh the point is CCP dismissing thousands of valid criticisms with the "ZEY ARE SCARED OF THE CHANGE YES" when in reality they are actauly CRYING OUT for change in the game, desperate to get the massive list of changes put forward by the CSM implemented.
Are they deluded enough in their ivory iceland tower to believe that is why people are complaining or was it just a pat response to the media in order to brush off the situation.
Either way, very patronising. +1 for trolling -1 for sensitivity
PLEASE CHANGE THE GAME. START WITH THE BIG BACKLOG FROM 4 YEARS AGO ONWARDS THAT THE CSM HAVE GIVEN YOU
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voiddragon
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Posted - 2011.04.23 01:27:00 -
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Edited by: voiddragon on 23/04/2011 01:27:55
Originally by: Harm Pit
Originally by: voiddragon The thing is, CCP have teams assigned to this stuff already so what do you want?
Do you want all other features postponed until lag is killed?
I mean, there are noticable changes in the performance of TQ lately with more upgrades promised. The problem is if you fix 1000 vs 1000 fights, you end up with 2000 vs 2000. Not to mention alliance fleets intentionally trying to crash nodes when they're losing.
Whining about new and other features is unproductive.
NAh the point is CCP dismissing thousands of valid criticisms with the "ZEY ARE SCARED OF THE CHANGE YES" when in reality they are actauly CRYING OUT for change in the game, desperate to get the massive list of changes put forward by the CSM implemented.
Are they deluded enough in their ivory iceland tower to believe that is why people are complaining or was it just a pat response to the media in order to brush off the situation.
Either way, very patronising. +1 for trolling -1 for sensitivity
PLEASE CHANGE THE GAME. START WITH THE BIG BACKLOG FROM 4 YEARS AGO ONWARDS THAT THE CSM HAVE GIVEN YOU
Although I agree that a lot of features presented by the CSM and FID Forum should be more prominent, I don't believe that CCP were being patronising in this interview. People have voiced concerns over it being like second life in space and such and that it's not very eve-y. That is what was being addressed, he was not saying that everyone voicing their opinions for other features to be moved up are scared of change.
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.23 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Harm Pit PLEASE CHANGE THE GAME. START WITH THE BIG BACKLOG FROM 4 YEARS AGO ONWARDS THAT THE CSM HAVE GIVEN YOU
+10000
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John Wesley Hardin
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Posted - 2011.04.23 01:29:00 -
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Just like to add that I really like these new forums, much much better than the old ones, grats CCP, job well done! Worth the wait
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.23 01:35:00 -
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...oh wait
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.04.23 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Eve is dying Adding to what EVE is today? You mean the long list of unpolished concept beta demos and unfulfiled contents and potentials? Great! Walking in station! Another vapourware proudly presented by CCP! etc etc
^^
CCP Nathan "the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells" Evelgrivion "each passing year, each failure to deliver on expectations of basic competence" |
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Tuggboat
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.23 01:50:00 -
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I can hardly wait to see what in Incarna will encourage me or force me to buy Plex. Profit motives not bad but turning the game into crap to do it seems self defeating.
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Harm Pit
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Posted - 2011.04.23 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: John Wesley Hardin Just like to add that I really like these new forums, much much better than the old ones, grats CCP, job well done! Worth the wait
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You are obviously SCARED of the new forums!!!
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.04.23 02:04:00 -
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Change has a habit of kicking loyalists in the teeth. Can't blame them for flaming them.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Rohnda
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Posted - 2011.04.23 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Harm Pit
Originally by: John Wesley Hardin Just like to add that I really like these new forums, much much better than the old ones, grats CCP, job well done! Worth the wait
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You are obviously SCARED of the new forums!!!
Im freaking terrifed of anything new outside of the eve client ccp make :( *looks at varius internet security issues regarding evegate and new forums*
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2011.04.23 04:39:00 -
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Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 23/04/2011 04:43:14
Originally by: voiddragon The thing is, CCP have teams assigned to this stuff already so what do you want?
Do you want all other features postponed until lag is killed?
I mean, there are noticable changes in the performance of TQ lately with more upgrades promised. The problem is if you fix 1000 vs 1000 fights, you end up with 2000 vs 2000. Not to mention alliance fleets intentionally trying to crash nodes when they're losing.
Whining about new and other features is unproductive.
meaning they are approching it utterly wrong! a "the one that bring the most = WIN!!" concept is just fail from the start. set in some parameters for attacking stations/pos's etc. that forces you to have max x players on a attack and on the defence and any one not part off these people simply cant use the system at the desinated time.
make it more tactic and less zerg server crashing.
its not the fixes that attract new commers its the new features mostly. without a team to develope new stuff eve would have died long ago. ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
Phobos Kashada
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Posted - 2011.04.23 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Phobos Kashada on 23/04/2011 11:39:55 I'm glad CCP understand the mindset of your average gamer/human. Means they won't back out of their vision just to appease a handful of whiners. And speaking of whiners, what happened to all the moaning about the new forums? ;)
Keep doing what you do CCP.
Oh and...
Originally by: voiddragon
NAh the point is CCP dismissing thousands of valid criticisms...
Fabricated number is fabricated number.
Since we're pulling things out of our behinds here, I'd say it's more like twenty people.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.23 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 23/04/2011 11:45:00 _
How else would you expect a pre-rehearsed PR-oriented semi-fake interview to run its course ?
Besides, I personally don't mind having Incarna, I actually am somewhat looking forward to it... no rush to see it though. But when it comes at the HEAVY expense we've been seeing lately (with very few exceptions), I'm not so thrilled anymore. Also, I don't like when people break their own promises (see : "Incarna will be completely optional" followed by "the first part of Incarna, CQ, will be MANDATORY").
Originally by: Phobos Kashada And speaking of whiners, what happened to all the moaning about the new forums? ;)
It temporarily subsided over other points of rage seeing how the old forums are back to stay for a while, but will be reborn with a vengeance if the new forums reopen with almost nothing changed except a few security issues hastily patched up. _
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Marko Riva
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Posted - 2011.04.23 11:48:00 -
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Yeah, now is a good time to make the new and bespoke (lulz) forums less ****ty looking, if all they do it patch the security issues then they're dumber than I thought.
--- I'm rebuilding my EVE tutorials, if you have requests or ideas feel free to tell me. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.04.23 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Also, I don't like when people break their own promises (see : "Incarna will be completely optional" followed by "the first part of Incarna, CQ, will be MANDATORY")..
CCP's policy for Quality Control means making sure it doesn't get released with donkey **** or viruses and waiting patiently for the EVE playerbase to "battletest" the code. Then, taking the easiest 25% of the complaints and fixing them.
If it was purely optional, you'd lose a sizable chunk of your testing resources. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.23 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190 If it was purely optional, you'd lose a sizable chunk of your testing resources.
Which in itself would actually be a GOOD thing, since the relevant data will quickly become swamped by insane repetition levels as the "sample size" of those battletesters increases, and only a rather small number of people testing it will already reveal the majority of flaws AND the importance/obviousness levels. Increasing the sample size to "all players" instead of just "those interested" (and you bet a lot of people WILL be interested enough to at least try it once, even if most will do it just for a few minutes before they disable it) will only serve to have your complaint pipes swamped with mostly unconstructive drivel, with most of the useful complaints masked by the huge noise-to-signal ratio. The added "bonus", you get a lot of angry customers thanks to the fact they can't opt out of something which will DOUBTLESSLY be a stinking pile of buggy turd upon its first release.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.04.23 12:27:00 -
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Well, I mean, can people be blamed for being afraid of new things. They are often buggy and unfinished, they usually stay that way and at best are annoying. Ne lutum stabiliam ibis qui aurum. On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________
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Gripen
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Posted - 2011.04.23 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Harm Pit Q:A lot of players have voiced disdain for Incarna as they think it's detracting from EVE as a space ship game. What would you say to them?
A:People are afraid of the unknown -- that's really what it is. We saw a lot of aversion to the new character creator as well, until people saw it. Then they said, "Oh yeah, so that's what they're building. That makes sense. Now I like it." People are afraid, I think, of change
Actually, those are best news from CCP since :18 month: announcement. At least now we know for sure, that they are aware of fact that original eve playerbase isn't interested much in barbie in space.
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Gavjack Bunk
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.04.23 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Harm Pit A:People are afraid of the unknown -- that's really what it is. We saw a lot of aversion to the new character creator as well, until people saw it. Then they said, "Oh yeah, so that's what they're building. That makes sense. Now I like it." People are afraid, I think, of change[/i]
If you keep repeating the same thing often enough people will start to believe it.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.04.23 15:40:00 -
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1: Here is the thing, people ARE afraid of change. Or, more specifically anything that is strange or different. If you haven't learned this simple fact of human nature yet, you will.
2: Fixing their old content is not change. It is improving what you have already become used to and now consider normal. Most of those things you would like fixed was, at one point in time or another, a NEW feature that was hysterically ripped apart on these forums. Just as Incarna is now.
3: In a couple of years time, the main topic on this forum will be snide or outraged posts that CCP is not adding to the Incarna experience fast enough to suit people... that they are spending too much time on less important area's of the game. This is also human nature, and that cycle has been repeated on these forums since Beta.
Quit acting like he was calling you a sissy, or being condescending in some way. He was simply describing a fact of the human condition, and something every company has to over come when they introduce new product lines or features to their products (usually with the help of the advertising industry).
I'm sure many will take this post as a personal attack. It's not, but people are a bit thin skinned around here it seems. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Angst IronShard
Minmatar Sense of Serendipity Echoes of Nowhere
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Posted - 2011.04.23 15:58:00 -
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you, guys, are too hurry.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.04.23 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Harm Pit Interview with ccp on massively.com
Q:A lot of players have voiced disdain for Incarna as they think it's detracting from EVE as a space ship game. What would you say to them?
A:People are afraid of the unknown -- that's really what it is. [...] People are afraid, I think, of change
Afraid of change?
Well, yes, knowing CCP's history of fail...
I mean, look at the newest "change" .. those awesome forums. What did it bring? A massive security risk for everyone browsing on those shiny new forums.
Or look at the fail when they first introduced PI. Anyone remember the reprocessing disaster?
Or the failure of wiping out the moon-goo monopoly of Dysprosium and Promethium, just by introducing a ten time bigger monopoly of Technetium.
Or look at the 0.0 change in Dominion to reduce blobbing. We have now bigger blobs then ever before - and that is not because we have more players in EVE.
Or or or...
Yes, with CCP's history everyone SHOULD be afraid of change. Because the first thing you think of is "what will they break this time"? |
Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.04.23 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 23/04/2011 16:23:17 As I (and anyone who has studied human nature) have stated before, people DO fear change. Sometimes that fear is justified, often it is not, but the fear remains regardless.
Quote: Or look at the fail when they first introduced PI. Anyone remember the reprocessing disaster?
And yet now it is a thriving industry that is widely used. When improvements are slow in coming, people complain.
Quote: Or the failure of wiping out the moon-goo monopoly of Dysprosium and Promethium, just by introducing a ten time bigger monopoly of Technetium.
And yet when the concept of moon mining was introduced, people scorned the idea as too boring, too expensive to be practical, no one will ever do it. Now it is considered a core element of the economy and MUST be improved and balanced better, preferably yesterday.
Quote: Or look at the 0.0 change in Dominion to reduce blobbing. We have now bigger blobs then ever before - and that is not because we have more players in EVE.
And yet when the concept of being able to gain sov, and gain advantages from having sov, was introduced it was widely regarded as completely unworkable. Nobody will do it, which then shifted to everybody will do it because they will be invulnerable to outside attack and sov will never change hands. When the concept of upgrading the income available from a sov system was introduced, the null sec community claimed it still wasn't enough, while the Empire community claimed it was too much income. Now that it has been scaled back a bit, the income from upgraded systems is considered essential, and can't be done without.
It's doesn't matter what it is, if it is new and different, people will resist it. But fear the fiery wrath of the community if you try to take it away once they have had a chance to become familiar with it. The forums will be no exception, Incarna will be no exception.
I think on one level or another everybody recognizes this basic fact of human nature. It's just that nobody likes to admit it. In essence, all this thread is doing is criticizing CCP for telling you the truth.
===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.04.23 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Harm Pit Interview with ccp on massively.com
Q:A lot of players have voiced disdain for Incarna as they think it's detracting from EVE as a space ship game. What would you say to them?
A:People are afraid of the unknown -- that's really what it is. We saw a lot of aversion to the new character creator as well, until people saw it. Then they said, "Oh yeah, so that's what they're building. That makes sense. Now I like it." People are afraid, I think, of change
Yeah, that was a pretty insincere. Especially after promising to work the delayed local implementation for 0.0 with the sizable number of players cheering him on. Zulu is smarter than that. ...
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Shawna Gray
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.23 16:58:00 -
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I know several people that was turned off from EVE because they were stuck in spaceships all the time. I doubt they are that unique so its probably a very smart idea to add incarna to the game. Who cares if I wont use it? There have been plenty of expansions with content I never bothered with.
EVE still remains the only MMO worth playing and I dont see that changing anytime soon.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.04.23 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Harm Pit Interview with ccp on massively.com
Q:A lot of players have voiced disdain for Incarna as they think it's detracting from EVE as a space ship game. What would you say to them?
A:People are afraid of the unknown -- that's really what it is. We saw a lot of aversion to the new character creator as well, until people saw it. Then they said, "Oh yeah, so that's what they're building. That makes sense. Now I like it." People are afraid, I think, of change
Yeah, that was a pretty insincere. Especially after promising to work the delayed local implementation for 0.0 with the sizable number of players cheering him on. Zulu is smarter than that.
Well, delayed local isn't exactly a new concept any more. People have had a chance to get used to the idea of local being handled differently (WH space). When CCP first announced that there would be no local in WH space, aside from a few (some might say visionary) proponents, the general consensus was that care bears would avoid it like the plague because of that one factor. Now that it has been proven to be viable, the concept of local working differently is widely accepted (though still hotly debated).
The community accepting the reworking, or putting a different spin on, established features is not the same as how they react to completely new aspects of the game.
Don't get me wrong, I acknowledge your point. I would consider it to be more a case of being overly blunt as opposed to being insincere.
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