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Edwin Rothbard
Interstellar Arbitrage
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Posted - 2011.04.23 10:43:00 -
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Player HuH TANK was born on 2011.04.21 00:54
73 minutes later HuH TANK joins taylor wildek corp
1 minute later HuH TANK leaves the corp
37 minutes later HuH TANK joins jor henry corp
2 minutes later HuH Tank leaves the corp
Player SombiEST creates a public contract at 2011.04.22 02:39 containing 1x Minmatar shuttle with a price of 1,016,000,000 isk
49 minutes later HuH TANK accepts the contract from SombiEST
7 minutes later player brodiewf creates a public contract containing 87 mexallon and 74 tritanium for 111,000,000 isk
1 minute later HuH TANK accepts the contract from brodiewf
4 hours and 6 minutes laster SombiEST creates another public contract containing an Amarr shuttle for 1,016,000,000 isk
44 minutes later HuH TANK accepts the contract from SombiEST.
In less than 48 hours HuH TANK jumped corps 4 times and completed 3 public contracts worth 2.143b isk. I guess he doesn't like player-run corps much and he's very prone to falling for scams on public contracts. SombiEST and brodiewf do not appear to have any common corp histories.
You can verify the above information by opening your contracts window. Open the middle "My Contracts" tab. Set "STATUS" to finished and type in "HUH TANK" in the "OWNER" field. Click the "GET CONTRACTS" button.
Can someone explain the scam to me?
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Julian Koll
The Kollektive
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Posted - 2011.04.23 10:46:00 -
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ISK laundering?
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.04.23 10:47:00 -
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It's not a scam.
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.23 11:12:00 -
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This is one of those cases you want to file a petition about towards CCP.
They can then start to backtrack and find yet another RMT nerd.
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Sadayiel
Caldari
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.04.23 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Sadayiel on 23/04/2011 11:15:43
in theory it's not a scam but it seems weird he just bought single shuttles at a fixed price of 1,016,000,000 isk so at it seems some kind of isk laundering.
Also sombiEST and brodiewf, seems similar so maybe some returning bots for the 1st ban hammer trying to clean some isk.
either ways this is just theories and not real facts (not that i'm accussing anyone it's just it looks that way)
also as Killer Gandry points just report to CCP to get sure.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.23 11:37:00 -
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The likeliest story is that those player corps are RMT fund accumulator corps, and the players that made the contracts are either clients of the RMT op or intermediaries in the ISK laundering operation.
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Kale Anderson
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Posted - 2011.04.23 12:31:00 -
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it's al qaeda, plain and simple.
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Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
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Posted - 2011.04.23 12:35:00 -
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The only RMT's admitted in the game are CCP themselves. Buy plex 
For everything else you've got google
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.23 12:53:00 -
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It is probably RMT. The fact they have been using public contracts however suggests that they really are rookies, who do not know what they are doing, and that these are customers.
Or maybe the prices for shuttles have gone up.
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Shiangti
Caldari
Revelation Exploration Inc.
Without Remorse.
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Posted - 2011.04.23 14:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Whitehound
It is probably RMT. The fact they have been using public contracts however suggests that they really are rookies, who do not know what they are doing, and that these are customers.
Or maybe the prices for shuttles have gone up.
I believe they use public contracts so that they can then claim the "they were scammed" defense, not because they are rookies. With a private contract, the scam defense would be alot harder to be believable IMO. "They only fell for a scam" would be what they say if questioned and were not actually either laundering isk or doing RMT. My bet would be RMT but that would be up to CCP do determine. I guess there is a site that offers an extra 16M isk on a purchase of 1B isk since two shuttle scams for the exact same price from different people seems too coincidental to be chance. I would petition.
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Joe Phoenix
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Posted - 2011.04.23 14:46:00 -
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So how is money made?
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.23 14:57:00 -
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It is ISK laundering, period.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.23 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Shiangti
I believe they use public contracts so that they can then claim the "they were scammed" defense, not because they are rookies. With a private contract, the scam defense would be alot harder to be believable IMO. ...
Nonsense. CCP will not be asking them, because they can see where the ISKs are coming from. CCP will first gather evidence before they start accusing the players. I doubt they will ask at all. One can find an excuse for anything ("I clicked the wrong button.", "I was scammed.", "I betrayed my mate.", "I was dumb.", etc.). A billion ISKs then does not appear out of thin air and a 1-day old rookie will also not succeed with a scam in a single day.
What RMTs want to avoid is detection in the first place. A public contract with 1b ISKs for a shuttle or 100 tritanium, going towards a 1-day old rookie, is the most suspicious way I can think of. This is very likely a rookie's mistake than anything else.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.04.23 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
This is very likely a rookie's mistake than anything else.
I was agreeing with all your statements up to this phrase. Unless you meant an RMT rookie.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.23 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 23/04/2011 16:28:58
They don't really need to fool CCP in the long run, they only need to fool the CUSTOMER into a false sense of security in the short run.
Once the credit card clears its reverse charge time limit or whatever it's called, they couldn't give a damn if CCP confiscated all that ISK (because, let's face it, it will usually only get confiscated quite a bit later on), by that time the new player would have probably already learned that buying from such sites is a bit too risky to keep bothering or upgraded to much more sophisticated and far less traceable methods (probably involving a totally different RMT outfit).
Also, most likely, these types of RMTers use small isolated subnets of their operation for such a task, and mostly burn it down soon afterward.
Or, heck, they could just as well be amateur RMTers themselves (imagine a pimply faced youth in a barely-not-third-world country that somehow miraculously has cheap internet and access to a somewhat passable gaming machine, trying to scrounge up the money to buy a better video card or something like that).
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Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.04.23 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 23/04/2011 16:28:58
They don't really need to fool CCP in the long run, they only need to fool the CUSTOMER into a false sense of security in the short run.
You just described a mechanism by which CCP could create the illusion of tackling the problem.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.23 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Aineko Macx
Originally by: Whitehound
This is very likely a rookie's mistake than anything else.
I was agreeing with all your statements up to this phrase. Unless you meant an RMT rookie.
No one who does RMT is a rookie in my eyes, but I do mean rookie and I still believe that it was a mistake made by a rookie. And no, I do not imply that a rookie can mistakenly get his hands on a billion ISKs either. I think it is just a rookie who got some ISKs and likely tried to hide them in the only way he or she knew of, and failed publicly and to our amusement.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2011.04.23 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Edwin Rothbard
Player HuH TANK was born on 2011.04.21 00:54
73 minutes later HuH TANK joins taylor wildek corp
1 minute later HuH TANK leaves the corp
37 minutes later HuH TANK joins jor henry corp
2 minutes later HuH Tank leaves the corp
He 'robbed' their corp wallets
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
T2 Technologies Unlimited
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.04.23 18:20:00 -
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Makes no sense for RMTers to use public contract, it would put themselves in this situation which a nosy person can find their exchange.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.23 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
Originally by: Edwin Rothbard
Player HuH TANK was born on 2011.04.21 00:54
73 minutes later HuH TANK joins taylor wildek corp
1 minute later HuH TANK leaves the corp
37 minutes later HuH TANK joins jor henry corp
2 minutes later HuH Tank leaves the corp
He 'robbed' their corp wallets
It does not explain the use of public contracts, shuttles and a tiny bit of minerals for getting the ISKs across. He could have simply transferred the cash and saved the 10k ISKs for the broker fee.
He then cannot have jumped corps this quickly if he did indeed rob them. In order to do so does he need roles and then could not have jumped corps, but would have to wait 24h each time.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.23 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson
Makes no sense for RMTers to use public contract, it would put themselves in this situation which a nosy person can find their exchange.
I disagree, I'd bet CCP watches private contracts a lot more than public ones.
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Juan Sezole
Taishi Combine
Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2011.04.23 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
It is probably RMT. The fact they have been using public contracts however suggests that they really are rookies, who do not know what they are doing, and that these are customers.
Or maybe the prices for shuttles have gone up.
Cant wait for the banhammer to catch up with you
RMT apologists need to be strung up
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.23 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Juan Sezole
Cant wait for the banhammer to catch up with you
RMT apologists need to be strung up
You will see yourself getting banned for trolling before you see me getting banned for doing RMT. Do you want to make a bet?
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Juan Sezole
Taishi Combine
Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2011.04.23 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Juan Sezole
Cant wait for the banhammer to catch up with you
RMT apologists need to be strung up
You will see yourself getting banned for trolling before you see me getting banned for doing RMT. Do you want to make a bet?
Your an apologist and after your efforts in the EN24 thread i wouldnt mind taking that bet
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.23 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 23/04/2011 19:54:06
Originally by: Juan Sezole
Your an apologist and after your efforts in the EN24 thread i wouldnt mind taking that bet
I do not apologize it, I only do not join the haters. You hate RMT so much that you cannot distinguish between wrong and right any longer. For this alone is it worth considering to make RMT legitimate, because the amount of hate you bring into the community is just as bad for the game.
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Juan Sezole
Taishi Combine
Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2011.04.23 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Edited by: Whitehound on 23/04/2011 19:53:31
Originally by: Juan Sezole
Your an apologist and after your efforts in the EN24 thread i wouldnt mind taking that bet
I do not apologize it, I only do not join the haters. You hate RMT so much that you cannot distinct between wrong and right. For this alone is it worth considering to make RMT legitimate, because the amount of hate you bring into the community is just as bad for the game.
Its a black and white issues - RMT is the bain of any online game, CCP have made it clear they do not want RMT therefore anyone who uses RMT should be banned. They deserve nothing but our contempt and apologists should be put in the same boat. Oh and the old apologist cry of "Plex" or "GTC", put simply they are offical methods so get over it.
As for encouraging real world crime, I have to bow to you on that one keep on cheering that Ddos crowd
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.23 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Juan Sezole
Its a black and white issues ... They deserve nothing but our contempt ...
It is not just a black and white issue, but it has innocent players in between them, too. RMTer also do not deserve our affection either, which is what you give them when you hate them with all your heart.
So how about you pack up that act of yours and pay no further attention to RMT, bots and macros, and just report it when you believe to see it and then move on with your game?
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