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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.04.25 02:26:00 -
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I guess things would get put on hold given that everyone and their uncle is rebelling around there. I suppose it's no different than current OPEC nations being essentially a cartel and holding prices hostage if they so desire. Although then they really might be able to pull the plug. Hmm perhaps having your power plants in less than stable or friendly nations isnt a good idea.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.25 09:24:00 -
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 Originally by: ivar R'dhak
EuropeÆs Plan to Draw Solar Power From the Sahara Moves Ahead
The plan was to build power plants that concentrate solar rays instead of solar panel farms. Guess the current "irregularities" down there put that whole idea slightly on hold. 
solar furnaces. that's actually somewhat more "cleaner" process because solar panels aren't required. just mirrors.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.25 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
That's actually something completely different at work here. It's "investing smart" on behalf of those companies.
RIGHT NOW, fossil fuels are still noticeably the cheapest overall source of power (barring maybe nuclear power in some cases, that is), so even if you put all those patents to work now, you know what you'll get ? That's right, FAR LESS money than what you could have gotten by doing something else, unless some heavy-duty subsidies fly your way, and even then it's not completely guaranteed to make you quite the same amount of money for your initial investment.
However, at some point in time, fossil fuels will cease being the cheaper alternative. WHEN (not if, WHEN) that eventually happens, guess who's got all the most promising patents under their clutch and also be most likely to develop improvements and variations based on those patents ? Well, if you guessed "the guys you now accuse of suppressing the tech", that would be right.
You can't get much more expensive than needing oil refineries and other large scale drilling operations, and then from there needing pipelines or tankers to distribute it. In comparison, a factory making solar cells is the cheap one, both for the producers and the consumers. People don't need to spend hundreds a month on solar cells, they just buy one and it churns out energy for many years.
That there is the main reason alternative energies are suppressed. There isn't as much money to be made with them as there is with oil. Not only do people often have to buy oil on a daily basis, they can play games with oil futures and force people to pay more whenever they please. I can't blame them for being addicted to the income, but they are holding back progress.
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.04.25 15:05:00 -
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What there is a need for is green technology metrics: How much typical power will a wind turbine or solar panel generate in a given country and specific area within that from media weather history. In the UK some DIY stores sold mini wind turbine kits for ú1800 but it was found they would never make a profitable return on investment in a lot of low wind areas.
This is an area governments could be useful in.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.25 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue
What there is a need for is green technology metrics: How much typical power will a wind turbine or solar panel generate in a given country and specific area within that from media weather history. In the UK some DIY stores sold mini wind turbine kits for ú1800 but it was found they would never make a profitable return on investment in a lot of low wind areas.
This is an area governments could be useful in.
usually best areas to place windfarms is either hilltops or shores (or both). Considering UK's geography, there is quite the potential there, along seawave/tidal generators.
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Joe Phoenix
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Posted - 2011.04.25 16:05:00 -
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I don't know why you guys thing this is so amazing, this is exactly what happens in your microwave when you heat up soap..
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Bulldug
Starlight Enterprise
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Posted - 2011.04.25 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Do you honestly think that IF solar energy would actually be cheaper than fossil fuel energy, the likes of Exxon would still bother expanding in fossil fuel while neglecting solar power "just to spite us" ? Please, they're only after the money. They'd switch in a heartbeat the moment they would smell the cashflow shifting.
Follow the money and it'll lead to some big oil banks (such as Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan) and speculators making the biggest money and not the oil companies themself. Herein lies the problem with petrodollars and that's why big buisness are still investing into oil and not alternative sources such as wind, wave, solar, geothermal energy from 'hot spots' that require less drilling or more fringe research such as Vacuum energy and Cold fusion..During the Cold War alot of secret research was done by the military industrial complex but that is another big story in itself.
This article explain the oil-banking connection pretty well:
A History of Rigged & Fraudulent Oil Prices (and What It Can Teach Us About Gold & Silver)
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Mike Norman, the Chief Economist at the Wall Street firm John Thomas Financial (http://www.johnthomasbd.com), wrote to me in October of last year for example:
ôTotal NYMEX open interest in crude is 1.4 m contracts or about 1.4 billion barrels of crude. Daily volume of crude traded on NYMEX is over 1 billion barrels per day. Total daily global demand is only 83 million barrels per day. The amount traded on one single exchange is more than 10 times total daily consumption. ItÆs a giant casino with prices being driven up by speculators and consumers having to
pay more and more.ö (i)
A great documentary about the history of banking and potential options to choose from:
The Secret of Oz
As long people dont understand the longstanding corruption of commerce and banking they wont understand why we are still using oil. 100 years ago many Americans was concerned about the big banks and speculators (they were called 'the money trust') accumulating wealth and power. Since the Federal Reserve Act signed just before christmass in 1913 many Americans, even political leaders have been dumbed down and not learned the true history of banking. US political leaders fail simple history test
But to use a popular phrase, "necessity teaches the naked woman to spin". Sometimes bad things need to happen before positive things can occur. The current monetary system is beyond recovery and has to collapse before a new system can take over. The power of the people are also stronger than the power of the few. Truth and love and also stronger than fear and ignorance. As long we dont turn on each other, humanity as a whole are destined to take a next step in consciousness evolution that will change this world inside out 
"Those that look outside dream, those that look inside Awaken. Carl Jung;"
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.04.25 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 25/04/2011 22:11:54
I don't think those who wield power of various sorts primarily wish to be corrupt as its simply a case of humans imitate what they see around them to climb the greasy pole and don't wish to rock the boat of capitalism. The problem is the boat has never really had a rudder of ethical oversight. To an extent there used to be an ethos of 'relationship banking' that died in the early 80's. A former CEO of Morgan Stanley said recently "We cannot control ourselves. You have to step in and control [Wall] Street." A former Goldman Sachs trader totally knew he was selling toxic assets that were based on sub-prime mortgages that were totally dead. I have read some of a book called 'City Boy' by a former London trader. He figured out quickly that the markets were fed by bull***t analyst reports that further fed unqualified hubris into the markets.
Banking needs to have its casino mentality removed and think more like money doctors rather than focused myopically on "the numbers". But this was not happening even centuries ago.
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In 1720 England got involved in the 'South Sea Bubble'. The company underwrote the English National Debt, which stood at ú30 million, on a promise of 5% interest from the Government. Shares immediately rose to 10 times their value, speculation ran wild and all sorts of companies, some lunatic, some fraudulent or just optimistic were launched. The country went wild, stocks increased in all these and other 'dodgy' schemes, and huge fortunes were made. Then the 'bubble' in London burst! The stocks crashed and people all over the country lost all of their money. Porters and ladies maids who had bought their own carriages became destitute almost overnight. The Clergy, Bishops and the Gentry lost their life savings; the whole country suffered a catastrophic loss of money and property.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.04.27 07:45:00 -
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Edited by: Sturmwolke on 27/04/2011 07:50:21
Interesting post #37.
Here's another good academic read on how tax exempt corporations influence the society - even their governments : https://circle.ubc.ca/bitstream/handle/2429/28805/ubc_2010_fall_kapchinsky_ryan.pdf?sequence=2
It's interesting to note some parallels between RL shenannigans and the EVE gameplay shenannigans.
If you understand EVE, it's not hard to grasp its RL equivalent, and vice-versa (and this is NOT limited to only the market/monetary aspects, but includes the whole kitchen sink et all).
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