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Lord Wickham
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Posted - 2011.04.26 23:03:00 -
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Total Bond Value: 5 bil
Bond Begins: as soon as all isk received
Maturity: 30 days
Interest: 5%
Previous bonds:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1484624
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1458470&page=1
I will be doing very much the same as in previous bonds, however i have expanded myself. i now have 3 characters with 10 slots each, i have various BPO's which i manufacture from and i also continue to station trade and resell.
I will be taking a minimum investment of 250mil.
If any further info is required or needed please letme know
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khai88
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Posted - 2011.04.26 23:18:00 -
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reserve 1 slot for me
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TonyCandthejets
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.04.27 00:47:00 -
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I never understood these thread.
How do you keep yourself from being scammed.
People are just like "Hai guis gib me several billion isk because I am too dumb and poor to sell plex"
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Elise DarkStar
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Posted - 2011.04.27 00:53:00 -
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Edited by: Elise DarkStar on 27/04/2011 00:54:02
And they almost universally end up scamming eventually. Some people play the ponzi game, trying to get out before it crumbles, while some others just do it for roleplay.
Overall though, you're absolutely correct. The rest are just absolute ****wits. It's a stupid practice that is mercifully in its death throes.
This one is an absolutely obvious step-up scam, where he has used alts or friends to "run" an earlier offer and then get things rolling in here.
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Hello Pretty
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Posted - 2011.04.27 02:00:00 -
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One time offer of 10% and im willing to cover the whole 5 bil within 12 hours. Bout to go to bed will check in when i get up.
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Lord Wickham
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Posted - 2011.04.27 08:05:00 -
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Both my previous bond investors are both regular md'ers. There will be no collateral and interest is fixed at 5%
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Edwin Rothbard
Interstellar Arbitrage
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Posted - 2011.04.27 11:16:00 -
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Posting to confirm that LW recently took out a 1b isk collateralized RothLoanÖ. He repaid as per the agreement. He paid a little bit early in fact.
I can also state that LW is very active in the blueprints channel as well as buying/selling in the researched ship BPO market.
This also makes him one of my competitors. I recently re-watched "There Will Be Blood" so I have some ideas on how to deal with him.  
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Proton Power
Amarr
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.04.27 11:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Elise DarkStar
Edited by: Elise DarkStar on 27/04/2011 00:54:02
And they almost universally end up scamming eventually. Some people play the ponzi game, trying to get out before it crumbles, while some others just do it for roleplay.
Overall though, you're absolutely correct. The rest are just absolute ****wits. It's a stupid practice that is mercifully in its death throes.
This one is an absolutely obvious step-up scam, where he has used alts or friends to "run" an earlier offer and then get things rolling in here.
Have you been rejected for a bond or somthing and now just auto paste this in any offering?
I doubt we will see many more "Large" scale unsecured bonds/IPO's/Banks other than the few that have been running for a long time now; but total death I doubt it.
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On track to the Opp. I can't say I know him nor trust him 100%, but as stated above he does have a presence in the Ships and BPO Channels for trade. He also in my old corp which is my guess renting T2 BPO's for productions which can eat up isk fairly quick while waiting to profit.
The ONLY reason I won't invest even 1 share is the interest is to low because of various aspects.
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Elise DarkStar
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Posted - 2011.04.27 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power
Have you been rejected for a bond or somthing and now just auto paste this in any offering?
Nice adhom.
Maybe I just believe what I'm saying and make an effort to point out what I believe to be factually correct when I can be bothered to do so. Maybe I can't wait for the day that I'm reading MD over a cup of morning coffee and it's finally full of actually interesting market issues instead of all the obnoxious investment scams which turn potential MD contributors away.
And it is dying, especially if we chosen few can remind everyone that people almost universally end up scamming or otherwise defaulting.
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Proton Power
Amarr
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.04.27 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Elise DarkStar
Originally by: Proton Power
Have you been rejected for a bond or somthing and now just auto paste this in any offering?
Nice adhom.
Maybe I just believe what I'm saying and make an effort to point out what I believe to be factually correct when I can be bothered to do so. Maybe I can't wait for the day that I'm reading MD over a cup of morning coffee and it's finally full of actually interesting market issues instead of all the obnoxious investment scams which turn potential MD contributors away.
And it is dying, especially if we chosen few can remind everyone that people almost universally end up scamming or otherwise defaulting.
So what about those that completed what they said they would with Bonds/IPO's that no longer play? Wouldn't that mean your "Everyone" is not factual?
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.04.27 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Elise DarkStar
Edited by: Elise DarkStar on 27/04/2011 00:54:02
And they almost universally end up scamming eventually. Some people play the ponzi game, trying to get out before it crumbles, while some others just do it for roleplay.
Overall though, you're absolutely correct. The rest are just absolute ****wits. It's a stupid practice that is mercifully in its death throes.
This one is an absolutely obvious step-up scam, where he has used alts or friends to "run" an earlier offer and then get things rolling in here.
C'mon Setrak, I don't believe that you actually think all this in such absolutist terms. You've raised a loan via MD yourself, so you know that there are legitimate reasons for doing so, other than being a scammer RPer or ****wit. As to 'almost universally end up scamming', do you have some data to back that up because the data I collected last year did not support this contention at all. In fact, it showed quite the opposite - that a large majority of offerings and offerors don't scam. This does indeed change when you move into the dangerous area of really big bonds and businesses, which do fail or scam far, far more often than they succeed, but tarring the whole market with the results of one segment of it isn't really legit. Nor is scam calling without any supporting evidence. That kind of behaviour just creates the kind of background noise that makes scamming easier because legitimate critics can be dismissed as part of the pack. It doesn't actually help prevent scamming in any way.
Btw, I only got round to checking whether Elise was Setrak today but I've suspected since Elise's first post. Are you also Some Market Dude on an unmentionable forum?
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Elise DarkStar
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Posted - 2011.04.27 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power
So what about those that completed what they said they would with Bonds/IPO's that no longer play? Wouldn't that mean your "Everyone" is not factual?
Hence the "almost universal".
Good reading, bro.
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Elise DarkStar
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Posted - 2011.04.27 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
C'mon Setrak...
If you're counting by offerings, then you get a much rosier picture, but I think that's an unfair representation because then, as I suggested, you're just playing the ponzi game. I can think of maybe 5 people who have borrowed and repaid on time each time, and then for all intents and purposes stopped borrowing because they no longer needed to. Compare this with the literal thousands of scam attempts, successful or not, and you get your "almost universal".
In a way, the few people who are ultimately honest here are indirectly responsible for creating the image that some people aren't here to steal, when for the vast majority this isn't the case. This is not a value judgment; I honestly don't even care that people scam, it's part of the game. I do care that it dominates the discourse on this forum to the detriment of actually interesting topics, and I will put the effort in when it suits me to present the true face of the "investment community" in an effort to hasten it's slow and plodding yet inescapable demise.
In simple terms, the deluge of **** the practice brings is in no way justified by the pockets of good.
Originally by: RAW23
Btw, I only got round to checking whether Elise was Setrak today but I've suspected since Elise's first post. Are you also Some Market Dude on an unmentionable forum?
Is my posting style that obvious? Or do I just have a niche of interests that betray me?
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.04.27 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Elise DarkStar
Originally by: RAW23
C'mon Setrak...
If you're counting by offerings, then you get a much rosier picture, but I think that's an unfair representation because then, as I suggested, you're just playing the ponzi game. I can think of maybe 5 people who have borrowed and repaid on time each time, and then for all intents and purposes stopped borrowing because they no longer needed to. Compare this with the literal thousands of scam attempts, successful or not, and you get your "almost universal".
Bah! Forum ate my post. Long and short of it is the number of these escalating step-up scams is pretty small, despite the fact that they dominate the discourse. I'm struggling to name 5 from the period I've been playing. It'll be interesting to go through the data from my new project in parallel with you and see what different conclusions we each draw from it.
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Originally by: RAW23
Btw, I only got round to checking whether Elise was Setrak today but I've suspected since Elise's first post. Are you also Some Market Dude on an unmentionable forum?
Is my posting style that obvious? Or do I just have a niche of interests that betray me?
Modhax! 
But seriously, the 'market' identifier in your name combined with coherent and sensible posting, plus a bit of humour doesn't leave a huge pool to choose from. I've always enjoyed your non- posts and I recognise the rare style when I see it. (feeling smug to have got it right and relieved not to have made myself look like an idiot  )
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Jean Baptiste Johansson
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Posted - 2011.04.27 15:26:00 -
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Confirming that I am an alt but I'm not LW's alt. Nor am I a friend or an alt of a friend.
LW borrowed 2 billion from me for a month. The transaction was completed to both parties satifaction.
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khai88
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Posted - 2011.04.27 15:46:00 -
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sound good to me, isk send
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Lord Wickham
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Posted - 2011.04.27 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Wickham on 27/04/2011 16:19:45
isk received, bond will start once i get the full funding. to make things more secure for investors if bond isn't filled by the 1st which is the sunday i will refund all isk.
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Sonic Sue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.27 23:17:00 -
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ill have the rest thanks
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Lord Wickham
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Posted - 2011.04.27 23:20:00 -
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Isk recieved and bond filled. Start date of the bond will be 28th of april. Bond will finish, interest and the total 5 bil will be repaid on that date.
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Nuniki
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.28 00:37:00 -
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I suspect he doesn't give a crap if anyone imagines that his offering is a scam or not. People who are interested will take note, others should probably find something less rectally involved to spend time in.
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Lord Wickham
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:38:00 -
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Bond repaid with interest waiting for investors to confirm:)
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Sonic Sue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:50:00 -
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Thanks alot invested heavy got full return with profit on, time.
Will do it again
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