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Justin Pinto
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Posted - 2011.04.27 00:56:00 -
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This topic might be a bit controversial, but in a game that really doesn't afford safety to anyone, not even HighSec, cloaked ships are untouchable. This is my proposal:
- Regular combat probes can't detect cloked ships. Should be a new probe. T2 Combat Probes anyone? *If T2 probes are too much of a problem since we might need T2 Probe Launcher as well, Sisters Launcher and Sisters Combat Probe will do.*
- Should atleast require Astrometric Rangefinding to V.
I'm pretty sure those of you whole like to just AFK cloaked in a system camping, might be opposed to this. This is a simple way to counter those AFK'ers in a system, primarly in 0.0 where everyone is always on the lookout for neuts who might be scouting or just plain AFK'ing to keep everyone on edge. We currently have some Neuts around our space that are just cloaked and floating in space. Been around for a few days tbh.
If anyone has a better idea let me hear it.
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WildSage
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Posted - 2011.04.27 01:00:00 -
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I think the system canner of a POS should be allowed to scan cloakable ships... That way, the cloak is still effective.. And the scanner poilot would have to be the one to leave the pos to go to the scanned out pilot...
That way there is a give as well as a take from cloaking...Even balance.
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muhuh Aihaken
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Posted - 2011.04.27 01:30:00 -
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Maybe use it to buff black ops at the same time. Have new probes and a new probe launcher for it that can only be fit to a black ops ship.
That way you have to put a expensive ship at some risk to do it, will increase black ops bs use.
Also have the probes on overviews by default so if they are being scanned down the user will see them on d-scan long before the scanner can see him.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.27 02:56:00 -
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It's not controversial. It's brain-dead. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1502753&page=1#13 Also, duplicate thread. _
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.27 03:05:00 -
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Yes this is stupid. Learn to read the forums before you make a new topic. I don't think you can go 2 pages without seeing this topic a few times. NO BOOBIES LEFT BEHIND! |
P0le Dancer
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Posted - 2011.04.27 03:16:00 -
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I have done the cloaky thing. Marks tend to fit into 2 categories: 1) PvPers who rat in pvp ships just waiting for the opportunity to engage the cloak. 2) Whiners who stay docked except with their station hugging bait domi.
Group 1 takes care of the situation themselves, Group 2 is too soft for 0.0 and should stay close to Concord. Easy targets will always be farmed.
Asking for an easy fix cloak probe is a round about way of asking for a nerf of several ship types that demand significantly more skill than astro v. As to their being "untouchable." A cloaked ship is harmless until it decloaks, then it is very touchable.
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de4deye
Element 115.
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Posted - 2011.04.27 05:47:00 -
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Edited by: de4deye on 27/04/2011 05:51:31 I agree that you should be able to probe down cloakys, however, it should be Very Hard. It should take a lot of effort to probe down a stationary cloaked ship. It should take a lot less time to probe down a ship with a cov ops cloak due to how they can go into warp so fast while still cloaked (would be impossible to find them if it took a long time to probe them down.) Also should be a seperate skill set, expensive, a long train, and many prereqs. Should also need a specialized ship with specialized probes.
Edit: Would also be worth some thought to make it possible to "Cloaky Jam" a system, similar to Cyno Jam. This will get rid of too many people staying cloaked in system for hours upon hours, it can get quite irritating.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2011.04.27 07:29:00 -
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If it ain't broke.... don't bloody beat the damn thing to death with a stick to break it intentionally.
Seriously... get over yourselfs you cloaky whiners.
It's just a bloody cloak. : O P
It won't hurt you or make you die.
It's the one who refuses to put his guard up that gets ganked. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Feligast
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.27 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: de4deye Edited by: de4deye on 27/04/2011 05:51:31 I agree that you should be able to probe down cloakys, however, it should be Very Hard. It should take a lot of effort to probe down a stationary cloaked ship. It should take a lot less time to probe down a ship with a cov ops cloak due to how they can go into warp so fast while still cloaked (would be impossible to find them if it took a long time to probe them down.) Also should be a seperate skill set, expensive, a long train, and many prereqs. Should also need a specialized ship with specialized probes.
Edit: Would also be worth some thought to make it possible to "Cloaky Jam" a system, similar to Cyno Jam. This will get rid of too many people staying cloaked in system for hours upon hours, it can get quite irritating.
So you're saying it should be "Very Hard" to find a cloaked ship.. unless it's a ship designed to be cloaked all the time, then it should be easy, because they can warp cloaked. How does this make any sense?
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OC 2av2
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Posted - 2011.04.27 14:43:00 -
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it is not broken = no need to fix
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Anna Lifera
6.... HAWK Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.27 14:46:00 -
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u know who else is "untouchable"? everyone of u who docks just to protect themselves from 1 harmless afk pilot. if u can't handle 1 harmless afk pilot in 0.0, do yourself a favor and get out 'cause u're not entitled to 100% concord-level blob safety, especially in null sec so htfu and deal with it. --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
Baaldor
Igneus Auctorita Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.04.27 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Anna Lifera Edited by: Anna Lifera on 27/04/2011 14:49:46 u know who else is "untouchable"? everyone of u nullbears who docks just to protect themselves from 1 harmless afk pilot. if u can't handle 1 harmless afk pilot in 0.0, do yourself a favor and get out 'cause u're not entitled to 100% concord-level blob safety, especially in null sec so htfu and deal with it.
Why are you so angry? Not enough Fiber...?
Your Girl / Boy / Goat not giving you any?
I know the whiny little turds that ***** about war decs, afk cloaking, salvaging and the like can be annoying, but you really need to take a step back...and just breath. Yeah you know what I am talking about, :420:
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Danika Princip
Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.04.27 20:42:00 -
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The solutions to AFK cloakers are simple.
1. Go somewhere else.
2. Stop ratting in officer fit carriers, downgrade to cheap BS or even BC and fly with a group.
3. Ignore them, they're AFK.
Simples.
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MynChu NicAtoch
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.27 22:36:00 -
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Simpler would be for cloaks to use fuel - preferably a substance which is contraband in empire.
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Justin Pinto
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Posted - 2011.04.28 00:09:00 -
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Seems this topic touches a nerve with some. I wonder who? Anyway, I'm a 0.0 pilot, i'm not flying a faction hulk and satation huggin either. There is absolutely nothing one measly bomb can do to any of my ships. Yeah if the ship decloaks then he's dead, but i want to pod his a$$ just as well when he's cloaked, just for the fact that he's not scouting for a fleet or anything for that matter, he's just been in the system for over 4 days just there 24/7, really? If you're going to hover cloaked there waiting for an easy kill, then you need to HTFU. You can camp a gate, w/e i'm fine with that, but just being a dumbass hovering in space cloaked should make you a target like anyone else.Just yesterday while I was grabbing some fuel for my POS this lame brain bomber pilot launches a bomb at my macks, he knows he cant insta pop them because he's done the same thing before.
Like any other sane person here, i like my cloak, i've done scouting and blew thru systems as well with it but i have not sat in a system aimlessly doing nothing but waiting for days to find the squishy target to get an insta pop.
Our system is busy, we dont stop for a cloaky neut, we mine, run plex, etc. but he doesnt go for those ships cause he cant insta pop. So yeah, i wouldn't mind having a way to scan down any dumba$$ that decides to sit in a system for days on end. Dont assume everyone posting is some carebear or noob that wants concord saving their asses. I personally dont want CCP saving anyone and specially those that stay cloaked in a system for days on end.
Ok thats out of the way. Let the flaming continue
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Justin Pinto
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Posted - 2011.04.28 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: MynChu NicAtoch Simpler would be for cloaks to use fuel - preferably a substance which is contraband in empire.
Now thats an idea, maybe cloaky ships should just have a fuel bay for the cloak to work. Have a dedicated fuel bay for it. For example, if the fuel bay is full then the cloak should work (for the sake of keeping this simple) for 2hrs. Fine you wanna fly around undetected, fine, but if you sit in a system afk, expect to decloak in 2 hrs.
Just a thought.
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Anna Lifera
6.... HAWK Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.30 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Anna Lifera on 30/04/2011 14:45:01
Originally by: Baaldor Why are you so angry? Not enough Fiber...?
Your Girl / Boy / Goat not giving you any?
I know the whiny little turds that ***** about war decs, afk cloaking, salvaging and the like can be annoying, but you really need to take a step back...and just breath. Yeah you know what I am talking about, :420:
where did that come from? i'm merely putting things in perspective; he just wants to keep his own safety while taking it away from others. plain and simple. is there something about that u're not able to understand?
Quote: Seems this topic touches a nerve with some. I wonder who? Anyway, I'm a 0.0 pilot, i'm not flying a faction hulk and satation huggin either. There is absolutely nothing one measly bomb can do to any of my ships. Yeah if the ship decloaks then he's dead, but i want to pod his a$$ just as well when he's cloaked, just for the fact that he's not scouting for a fleet or anything for that matter, he's just been in the system for over 4 days just there 24/7, really? If you're going to hover cloaked there waiting for an easy kill, then you need to HTFU. You can camp a gate, w/e i'm fine with that, but just being a dumbass hovering in space cloaked should make you a target like anyone else.Just yesterday while I was grabbing some fuel for my POS this lame brain bomber pilot launches a bomb at my macks, he knows he cant insta pop them because he's done the same thing before.
then that means he's NOT afk so what's the problem? what does it matter if he's not part of a fleet? this is a sandbox, not playdates online. and since he can't kill u but u can kill him, what's the problem? u're the one getting worked up over nothing.
Like any other sane person here, i like my cloak, i've done scouting and blew thru systems as well with it but i have not sat in a system aimlessly doing nothing but waiting for days to find the squishy target to get an insta pop.
then that means he's NOT afk so what's the problem?
Quote: Our system is busy, we dont stop for a cloaky neut, we mine, run plex, etc. but he doesnt go for those ships cause he cant insta pop. So yeah, i wouldn't mind having a way to scan down any dumba$$ that decides to sit in a system for days on end. Dont assume everyone posting is some carebear or noob that wants concord saving their asses. I personally dont want CCP saving anyone and specially those that stay cloaked in a system for days on end.
Ok thats out of the way. Let the flaming continue
if ccp is saving them, then by your logic, ccp is also saving all of u because both r within game mechanics. so yes, u r a carebear and a noob that wants concord-level protection in 0.0 and so u expect that from your blob, which goes back to htfu. --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
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Posted - 2011.04.30 17:26:00 -
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I support a probe that allows for probing cloaked ships on one condition: local chat is put in delayed mode from all systems (yes, that includes high sec). |
The Djego
Minmatar Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.30 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar I support a probe that allows for probing cloaked ships on one condition: local chat is put in delayed mode from all systems (yes, that includes high sec).
You got yourself a deal here sir. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.30 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: WildSage I think the system canner of a POS should be allowed to scan cloakable ships... That way, the cloak is still effective.. And the scanner poilot would have to be the one to leave the pos to go to the scanned out pilot...
That way there is a give as well as a take from cloaking...Even balance.
Who are you kidding?
Any combat ship can practically instapop most any cloaker; that's why they're cloakers.
Not supported.
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Hermosa Diosas
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.01 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mars Theran
Originally by: WildSage I think the system canner of a POS should be allowed to scan cloakable ships... That way, the cloak is still effective.. And the scanner poilot would have to be the one to leave the pos to go to the scanned out pilot...
That way there is a give as well as a take from cloaking...Even balance.
Who are you kidding?
Any combat ship can practically instapop most any cloaker; that's why they're cloakers.
Not supported.
You dont know what your talking about do you!? How can you kill something thats cloaked! duh! Thats the issue
People can just camp systems with afk cloakies and stop the whole system. Thats the issue.
FULLY SUPPORTED that there is SOME WAY to find them whilst cloaked.
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Phoenix492
Amarr Orion Expeditions Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.05.01 11:30:00 -
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Theres an Easier way than having to scan people down, make new modules etc.
Just make the cloak use Cap - That way, the Cloaker would either have to gimp his setup to make it cap stable, meaning that the solo cloaker would actually have to pick his targets instead of just being able to pound anything that isn't a Domi, or not be able to cloak-afk for 23/7 without the cloak eating its way through his cap, and turning off - then making him scannable through normal means.
Simples.
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