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Shodanic
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Posted - 2011.04.28 11:35:00 -
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I am not really new to eve but this is a question that I believe fits here. Why can you not set repair drones to repair your own ship, what is the reasoning behind this not being allowed, it is not like it puts logistic ships out of business because they are so much more effective.
This just does not seem to make sense in eve.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.04.28 11:46:00 -
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This question was raised hundreds of times already. Google is your friend. Really.
To make it short:
You can't target yourself, hence you can't repair yourself.
Please read all the other threads about that topic, because there is no argument left unsaid already.
Wait ... i'll even help you out on this one: Why can't i repair myself ?
Or same here again.
You may try your own combination of words to find even more discussion about it.
Sorry if i sound harsh, i don't mean to be. It's just that, if you used google, you would know much more already.
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GrafO
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Posted - 2011.04.28 11:47:00 -
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Your not able to target yourself and therefore to sent the drones on yourself to repair
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Jenny Cameron
Caldari Ordo Eventus
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Posted - 2011.04.28 12:16:00 -
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Whatever the explanation, it still doesn't make any sense whatsoever .. ________________* - If you're in favour of a bloodline change please vote in the Assembly Hall in this thread - |
foksieloy
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.28 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: foksieloy on 28/04/2011 12:24:38 Making that possible would seriously nerf solo and small gang roaming. That is one aspect of eve that most definitely does not need to be nerfed. _______________________ The best thing in EvE is Barrage M. |
Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.04.28 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Cameron Whatever the explanation, it still doesn't make any sense whatsoever ..
Welcome to EVE.
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Sikamicaniko
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Posted - 2011.04.28 14:56:00 -
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This is an interesting part of this game. You have a section of a forum titled "New Citizen Q&A"
And yet, people get yelled at and talked down to for asking noob type questions.
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Xercodo
Amarr Daj'Juntar
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Posted - 2011.04.28 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sikamicaniko This is an interesting part of this game. You have a section of a forum titled "New Citizen Q&A"
And yet, people get yelled at and talked down to for asking noob type questions.
I don't thin anyone got "yelled at" here but some ppl are certainly annoyed by an old topic being brought up again...
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2011.04.28 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 28/04/2011 19:21:21
Oh ... and it would be easy to have them do that. If you right click on a drone in the drones window - you get choices to Guard or Assist or Abandon. Simply adding Repair Own Ship - would be trivial to add - but it's not there and is unlikely to change. So inability to target your own ship - is not a reason why they couldn't do it ... if they wanted to. Or - you could simply right click on your own ship in space and have a command to target it.
There are a lot of odd things in EVE (just like most programs).
Sometimes - something happened years ago and they changed something for some reason and now most people don't know why.
Salvager Drones. They exist. I've seen them in game - but you probably won't. I think only people who got them years ago or developers have them but you can't get them now if you're an average player.
Also - at one point in time - you could type in the coordinates you wanted to create a book mark at and fly right there. Now - coordinates are displayed but you can't change them. Some lame excuse about people creating deep safe spots that way ... when all they'd have to do was put bounds restrictions on the in put data ... it's not like that's a hard programming concept ... Look at the Directional Scanner - there's a limit on the value you can put in there. They completely ****ed the ability to warp about a system - because the programmer was to lazy to do it right - and they'll never undo it. Just one more bit of lazy programming that was done a long time ago for stupid reasons and people have suffered for it ever since.
And I'm sure the list is a lot longer than that ... I just can't think of any more off the top of my head.
Don't get me wrong - other games are the same way. Decisions made for questionable reasons that continue to inflict their pain on the players long after everyone's forgotten why they were made.
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foksieloy
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.29 05:50:00 -
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Actually i agree about the bookmarks working the way they are now.
If you could type coordinates you could easily avoid confrontation (by making safe spots not inline with celestials instantly, by making spots to avoid drag bubbles even on your first visit, and so on...).
You could also easily push confrontation on others. Lets say the enemy scout is 250 off the gate watching your fleet. You make a bookmark next to him and just warp without ever being in that location.
The game PvP dynamic would be changed too much, and in my opinion, in the wrong direction. _______________________ The best thing in EvE is Barrage M. |
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.04.29 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: foksieloy Actually i agree about the bookmarks working the way they are now.
If you could type coordinates you could easily avoid confrontation (by making safe spots not inline with celestials instantly, by making spots to avoid drag bubbles even on your first visit, and so on...).
But how's that not realistic? May be not convenient to you but ........
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foksieloy
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.29 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling May be not convenient to you but ........
It works both ways. Ninja salvagers no longer need probes, just a bit of basic trigonometry. They can warp around your pocket and steal everything and you can never even target them.
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You know, I hope CCP implements that, the tears will be epic. Great idea OP, supported! _______________________ The best thing in EvE is Barrage M. |
Demonicly Posessed
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Posted - 2011.04.29 13:05:00 -
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Simple reason behind it is, that domis and other drone ships had no local reps wich you should have and then repared themself with drones. People moaned and it was taken away.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.04.29 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: foksieloy
Originally by: Jennifer Starling May be not convenient to you but ........
It works both ways. Ninja salvagers no longer need probes, just a bit of basic trigonometry. They can warp around your pocket and steal everything and you can never even target them. ... You know, I hope CCP implements that, the tears will be epic. Great idea OP, supported!
Ninja salvagers, who cares ...
Originally by: Demonicly Posessed Simple reason behind it is, that domis and other drone ships had no local reps wich you should have and then repared themself with drones. People moaned and it was taken away.
Sleeper AI ftw, it solves all our problems (my Tengu doesn't use drones anyway)!
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Demonicly Posessed
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Posted - 2011.04.29 13:31:00 -
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And i did mean pvp
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2011.04.30 15:21:00 -
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Yeah ... all the usual bull **** reasons for a developer doing something ...
*shrug*
The thing about the bookmarks is ... I resent the hell out of not just being able to fly my space ship around anywhere in the system I want to go. Now - you've got to resort to all kinds of tricks just to use a small fraction of the space within a system.
Undoubtedly there would be advantages and disadvantages to a large number of people - BUT - for a "sand box" game - which this alleges itself to be - to restrict our ability to even fly where we want to inside the system - is a bunch of crap.
It's like - "OK - here's the sand box - but you can't go over here and you can't go over there. There's this little spot in the middle and this one off over in this corner but those are the only areas you can play in - and - if you're going from one to the other - you have to move along these little connecting lines between them ..."
Bull ****. That is just a bunch of crap.
Of course - there are ways around this - specifically running missions and doing exploration - where you bookmark everything you can. I habitually book mark and NEVER delete one. Eventually, if you spend enough time in a system you've got it sprinkled with bookmarks and can warp between them dropping new ones. Having to do something like that just to create a safe spot where I want one - instead of where the game mechanics will let me put one - is a giant pain in the ass.
I wonder what the impact on the database is of all those bookmarks they have to keep track of. If I could just set a bookmark to fly where ever I wanted in a solar system - then I could delete most of the bookmarks I've got.
Look at all the work you have to go through just to make a quick warp bookmark coming off a station. You can do it - but it is another pain in the ass that CCP is putting players through for bull **** reasons.
Yes - it would change game play - there's no doubt about that - but it would be a freer more open game play where you didn't have to resort to all kinds of machinations just to fly your space ship where you wanted to go.
You see this crap all the time in computer games. Planetside touted itself as both an FPS and an RPG - but then spit on the support players until there weren't any. Here - CCP likes to brag about "the sand box" but ... what a ****ing joke ... when most people are limited to only warping between planets and belts. Most people don't even know how to drop a bookmark while they're in warp. What bull **** that you would even have to think about doing that.
But whatever ... one of the things that happens to veteran players is ... as time goes by ... you start to realize how much bull **** there is in a game. When you start off ... you're just trying to learn the rules and everything is bright, shiney and new ... but after a while ... you start realizing that ... some things are just bull **** ...
Some people (I do not have anyone in mind here) are fan boys and lap up whatever the developers vomit out - then beg for more. For me ... I was a programmer ... I've worked in software development for decades ... so I know how a lot of this works. The people designing computer games ... are just that ... people ... who do stupid things as well as brilliant ones.
It's just that the brilliant things they do - don't **** you off.
*shrug*
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.30 17:15:00 -
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Bookmarks? I thought this was a thread about repair drones...wrong room I guess...
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