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Tom Gerard
Caldari
RPS holdings
Auctorita Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.28 14:34:00 -
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A few observations if I may:
* Agents are randomly assigned. In Syndicate there is a station with NINE manufacturing agents.
* Certain corps have 50 times the LP values of others.
* Low and Null mission rewards do not justify added risk. Double or Triple rewards for players taking risks.
* Missions are not randomized well I did "Stop the Thief" six times in two hours.
* Mission Runners don't get the respect other players do, so a "Mission Mail" system to rank the top mission runners would be welcome.
* Missions shouldn't be a side focus for development. They should be the centerpiece.
* Marauder class ships need buffed vs NPC jammers and doubled in physical size for the "Shock and Awe" effect on fellow mission runners.
Just my two cents.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.04.28 14:38:00 -
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Missions have no place in Eve and should be removed from the game. 
 Originally by: Jada Maroo
Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.04.28 14:38:00 -
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You are a terrible person and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.04.28 14:38:00 -
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You may not
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Xavier Zedicus
Paradigm Council
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Posted - 2011.04.28 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Xavier Zedicus on 28/04/2011 14:47:14
Edited by: Xavier Zedicus on 28/04/2011 14:44:04
I know this is a troll because of poster but I want to advocate my profession none the less.
Low sec missions do give reward consistent with risk. And no I don't do them in t3 unprobables! I do them in vagabonds and vaga-style fitted deimos!
I get approximately 33M isk in per mission from my lowsec agents and approximately 6m isk in lp from my highsec agent. That's 5 x the reward.
My mission HACs are paid for in just an hour or so, and unlike highsec the chance of being probed out and getting to pew pew makes it even MORE valuable because I feel more like I'm playing a game and less like I'm grindin! So in my experience, not only is lowsec more profitable, it's more fun, making the value of my time not wasted!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.28 14:44:00 -
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/facepalming in yet another Tom Gerard thread...
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Jenny Cameron
Caldari
Ordo Eventus
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Posted - 2011.04.28 14:47:00 -
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Trolling or not there's still a few valid points:
Originally by: Tom Gerard
* Agents are randomly assigned. In Syndicate there is a station with NINE manufacturing agents.
* Low and Null mission rewards do not justify added risk. Double or Triple rewards for players taking risks.
* I do think lowsec missions are a bit silly for the risk/reward factor. What does CCP want to accomplish with that, people going afk for 4 hours to wait the timer out? It just unneccessarily cripples gameplay and annoys players.
* Some corps have good highsec agents, some haven't at all. No-one missions for them, what's the use of them anyway?
* LP store rewards are hopelessly unbalanced. Whoever wants a RF BCU when you can have a CN BCU for the same effort?
* Faction kill mechanic is also an annoyance. It's completelky roidiculous that killing 20 battleships of the arch enemy doesn't get you any faction increase and bringing a crate of documents makes them love you forever. Again: it just unneccessarily cripples gameplay and annoys players.
* Minmatar agents in Amarr space? And giving missions to kill Amarr navy ships? The local Amarr Navy doesn't respond? The agent's doesn't get kicked out of his station but you get penalized? Ridiculous and illogical!
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clixor
Celluloid Gurus
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Posted - 2011.04.28 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
/facepalming in yet another Tom Gerard thread...
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Renarla
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Posted - 2011.04.28 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Gerard
* Agents are randomly assigned. In Syndicate there is a station with NINE manufacturing agents.
* Certain corps have 50 times the LP values of others.
* Low and Null mission rewards do not justify added risk. Double or Triple rewards for players taking risks.
* Missions are not randomized well I did "Stop the Thief" six times in two hours.
A Tom Gerard thread with valid points? 
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Neamus
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Posted - 2011.04.28 15:06:00 -
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Confirming that marauders are indeed PvP ships and should not be used for mission running.
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.28 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tom Gerard
A few observations if I may:
* Certain corps have 50 times the LP values of others.
This. A lot of the items in the LP stores have an artificial floor which prevents their actual (much lower) value from being set by the player economy.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.28 15:19:00 -
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I have chosen to answer your questions, Tom. You find them below:
* Agents are randomly assigned. In Syndicate there is a station with NINE manufacturing agents.
It is not a problem. Use your imagination. Think of it as the "IKEA of New Eden".
* Certain corps have 50 times the LP values of others.
The LP reward depends on the agent's level, the system's security status and the type of mission. It does not depend on the corporation itself.
* Low and Null mission rewards do not justify added risk. Double or Triple rewards for players taking risks.
The bounties, the dropped loot and the wrecks themselves are all yours, too. You should make the most of it.
* Missions are not randomized well I did "Stop the Thief" six times in two hours.
Repeats are not as common as you describe them here.
* Mission Runners don't get the respect other players do, so a "Mission Mail" system to rank the top mission runners would be welcome.
Others do not get respect either. It is in the nature of the game, Tom. All one gets for sure in EVE is killed.
* Missions shouldn't be a side focus for development. They should be the centerpiece.
We all love shooting rats now and then. It does not mean that anything should become a centerpiece. Versatility is what lets you play EVE for many years.
* Marauder class ships need buffed vs NPC jammers and doubled in physical size for the "Shock and Awe" effect on fellow mission runners.
Get into a faction battleship. The Machariel is huge and looks like a bacon with little sausages.
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IskPlease
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Posted - 2011.04.28 16:02:00 -
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* Missions are not randomized well I did "Stop the Thief" six times in two hours.
Basically the only valid point in this thread. I guess "Stop the thief" has the same status of "Rogue spy (1/2)" which the agents i use have a fetish for.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.28 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
The LP reward depends on the agent's level, the system's security status and the type of mission. It does not depend on the corporation itself.
None of that changes the value of the LP, thoughà
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The bounties, the dropped loot and the wrecks themselves are all yours, too.
No, just the bounties and the loot.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.28 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
None of that changes the value of the LP, thoughà
No, just the bounties and the loot.
Who cares, troll? The LP cost for items is the same at every station and what LPs are worth in ISKs is defined by the players and not CCP. The loot and the wrecks are all yours, too. You are not forced to pick them up.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.28 16:38:00 -
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missions don't exist.
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Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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nakinto
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Posted - 2011.04.28 16:56:00 -
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LoLs were had, now my gut hurts :)on a side note this sounds like "oh lets buff 00 bot income" and ya THAT is gonna happen lols
PS what kind of respect should a mission runner get? all it does is flap its lips and go fail fail the rest of us have to go PEW PEW to make our money. (WH is FTW)
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2396/684eb4.jpg for all you highsec babies :)
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.28 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Who cares?
You should, since that's a pretty big (im)balancing factor between the factions.
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what LPs are worth in ISKs is defined by the players and not CCP.
Not entirely, since CCP are the ones who determine the characteristics and thus the attractiveness of the stuff you can pick up with those LP.
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The loot and the wrecks are all yours, too.
No. The loot is all yours; the wrecks is all yours everyone's, and you actually have to earn those separately.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Zyress
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Posted - 2011.04.28 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: nakinto
LoLs were had, now my gut hurts :)on a side note this sounds like "oh lets buff 00 bot income" and ya THAT is gonna happen lols
PS what kind of respect should a mission runner get? all it does is flap its lips and go fail fail the rest of us have to go PEW PEW to make our money. (WH is FTW)
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2396/684eb4.jpg for all you highsec babies :)
The Eve community doesn't have a lot of respect it bestows to any of the game professions you may wish to pursue, but I would have no problems with them keeping stats on mission runners, or miners for that matter like they do pvp'ers and ranking them in some way. Wouldn't mean anything to me, but if it stokes someone's epeen well thats ok.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.28 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
You should, since that's a pretty big (im)balancing factor between the factions.
I do not care what you think I should do, troll. It is the last of my concerns. You think a lot of nonsense when you have no one to play with.
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Not entirely...
Oh yes, troll, entirely. Do not buy it when you do not like it.
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No. The loot is all yours; the wrecks is all yours everyone's, and you actually have to earn those separately.
All yours everyone's? Nothing you are saying makes sense or has got to do with the topic. Stop trolling and get a life, Tippia.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.28 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
troll
So you agree then, seeing as how you have no argument and has to go for the ad hominem instead? Good.
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Do not buy it when you do not like it.
Exactly: CCP are the one who manages the "like it" part, so they are part of defining the value of those LP.
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All yours everyone's?
Wrong markup. It's all yours everyone's. The wrecks are not yours ù you have to earn them separately.
Oh, and as always: correcting your misinformation is not trolling ù it's a service.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Justice Comes
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Posted - 2011.04.28 18:31:00 -
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* Missions are mind-numbingly boring if you have enough tank. If you do not, they are mind-numbingly frustrating. Where is the fun factor after you've seen 50 ships explode?
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.28 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
So you agree then, seeing as how you have no argument and has to go for the ad hominem instead? Good.
GTFO.
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Exactly: CCP are the one who manage the "like it" part...
No. It does not define the price. You are just being stupid again.
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The wrecks are not yours ù you have to earn them separately.
It does not matter. They give ISKs just like the loot in them. The loot can be taken by everyone, too, btw.
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Maybe if you read it, you'd understandà
Oh, and as always: correcting your misinformation is not trolling ù it's a service.
You are not correcting anyone. You are a creep who has no friends and trolls every subject it can find. Again, get a life.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.28 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
GTFO.
No. If you don't want to nuke your own argument, don't use personal attacks.
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No. It does not define the price.
So you're saying that people really love to buy junk equipment and really hate to buy good stuff? Yeah, that's not really how it works, no.
CCP defines the stats, and this creates quality differences. Quality differences have an impact on price.
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It does not matter. They give ISKs just like the loot in them. The loot can be taken by everyone, too, btw.
Yes, but the loot cannot freely be taken by everyone ù it comes at a (tiny) cost. The loot is quite explicitly "all yours", and anyone else who takes it will have to suffer/risk the consequences. Not so with salvage ù it's not all yours because you haven't earned it yetà heck, it doesn't even exist until you've earned it, so there's nothing there to be "all yours."
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You are not correcting anyone.
Sure I am. In this case: you, because you don't understand such basic things as product appeal and desirability, and ownership flags.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.28 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
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Again. You are trolling. You have no interest on the topic but to get into an argument with anyone you can find. each of your arguments are construct and aimed to create further arguments, but not an agreement. Again, get a life.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.28 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 28/04/2011 19:04:56
Originally by: Whitehound
You have no interest on the topic but to get into an argument with anyone you can find.
Quite incorrect, since this is a topic near and dear to my heart and I'd like people to understand the mechanics of what's being discussed.
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each of your arguments are construct and aimed to create further arguments
No, they are constructed to rectify misconceptions about how things work.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Mercedes Lola
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Posted - 2011.04.28 19:05:00 -
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Tom ur just hit by bad carma from all the milk
u mooched over the years 
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.28 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Each of your answers only connect to a poster's previous comment but not on the topic itself.
So you're saying that your answers to the OP were not on topic?
Well, I don't know about you, but I'm talking about the differing values of LP and the rewards package for missions ù two things the OP most certainly brought upà
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
C C P
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Posted - 2011.04.28 19:14:00 -
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Thread cleaned of trolling please. Please post on topic in a constructive matter.
Zymurgist
Community Representative
CCP NA, EVE Online
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Raoul deChagny
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Posted - 2011.04.28 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Thread cleaned of trolling please. Please post on topic in a constructive matter.
You missed one. The OP.
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