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Master Tarn
Hax. Zero Ambition
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Posted - 2012.09.03 11:18:00 -
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Today i stumbled upon a thread where... once again... people complain about highsec carebearing, no risk vs reward, the evil nature of people in eve, etc. etc.
Now, deep space exploration/traveling, hell, even colonization become more and more of a reality as we progress in real life.
I would like this thread to be about what the eve community expects if we... lets say, in 50 years have started colonizing space.
Will we be littering space with our trash? Depleting natural resources as we currently do on our planet? Will we be spending billions on building war machines to blow each other up for personal profit and gain? Or perhaps we have clasped hands together to fight mutual alien foes instead that threaten human race on a cosmic level?
If we take EVE as reference... then perhaps we need to worry? Or will we be fine and good little carebears?
Looking forward to the eve community's view.
o7 |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
603
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Posted - 2012.09.03 11:19:00 -
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But EVE IS real. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |

Master Tarn
Hax. Zero Ambition
8
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Posted - 2012.09.03 11:27:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:But EVE IS real.
I lost my ship Houston... where can i petition? |

Riot Girl
Riot Club
55
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Posted - 2012.09.03 11:36:00 -
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We will be carebears because our spaceships will be worse than rookie ships! |

Master Tarn
Hax. Zero Ambition
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Posted - 2012.09.03 11:41:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:We will be carebears because our spaceships will be worse than rookie ships!
LIES !!
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Riot Girl
Riot Club
55
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Posted - 2012.09.03 11:49:00 -
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Master Tarn wrote:Riot Girl wrote:We will be carebears because our spaceships will be worse than rookie ships! LIES !!
Oh it has a 10 megapixel camera... That's some pretty serious hardware. |

feihcsiM
Last Exit For The Lost Dark Therapy
28
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Posted - 2012.09.03 11:49:00 -
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If men colonize & meet aliens they will undoubtedly **** each other over to gain power/wealth/tech advantage. If men colonize & don't meet aliens they will undoubtedly **** each other over to gain power/wealth/tech advantage. If men say **** space and stay at home they will undoubtedly **** each other over to gain power/wealth/tech advantage. It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine. |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
835
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Posted - 2012.09.03 12:02:00 -
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Master Tarn wrote:Today i stumbled upon a thread where... once again... people complain about highsec carebearing, no risk vs reward, the evil nature of people in eve, etc. etc.
Now, deep space exploration/traveling, hell, even colonization become more and more of a reality as we progress in real life.
I would like this thread to be about what the eve community expects if we... lets say, in 50 years have started colonizing space.
Will we be littering space with our trash? Depleting natural resources as we currently do on our planet? Will we be spending billions on building war machines to blow each other up for personal profit and gain? Or perhaps we have clasped hands together to fight mutual alien foes instead that threaten human race on a cosmic level?
If we take EVE as reference... then perhaps we need to worry? Or will we be fine and good little carebears?
Looking forward to the eve community's view.
o7
We should, (but rarely do), learn from our history. War in space is inevitable. I want this sector because it has planets/moons/asteroids rich in exotic ores and other resources. You want it as well. Claim and counter-claim, human-invented religions to back one or another cause. War is a given. Death without clones to come back to makes death very permanent.
Let us hope that we come across aliens who are hostlie and do not overwhelm us with vastly-superior technology. Something that can unite us (but will it though?) as human beings against a common enemy. Problem is, you will still have to deal with human greed. There will be turncoats who will sell-out information to the enemy, at a price.
Take Eve as a reference if you wish, but you need not. Take human history in terms of discovery, conquests and wars. It's all there.
Eve is just a game where some people play-out already inherent human attributes. We are wired for conflict and war, we are wired to protect our own when threatened. We are wired for greed.
Being good little carebears, as you put it, is the only hope for the longterm survival of humanity. The danger with this ultimate "paradise" would be stagnation. As humans, we require chaos in our lives in order to adapt and survive. Necessity is the Mother of invention. In a care-free world, invention would die-off.
The good and the bad in us must be used to our full advantage for the survival of the species as a whole. In this, Eve is a mirror. Without PvP, Eve will die. Without PvE, Eve will die.
o7
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
712
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Posted - 2012.09.03 13:26:00 -
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We probably won't have much say, it will be large corporations that decide things if we do start colonizing. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |

Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
137
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Posted - 2012.09.03 13:30:00 -
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Virgil Travis wrote:We probably won't have much say, it will be large corporations that decide things if we do start colonizing.
God damn Goons! Amirite?!? "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |

Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
712
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Posted - 2012.09.03 13:33:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote:Virgil Travis wrote:We probably won't have much say, it will be large corporations that decide things if we do start colonizing. God damn Goons! Amirite?!?
As long as it's not Weyland-Yutani we might be ok Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
149
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Posted - 2012.09.03 13:37:00 -
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Well, we already litter in space. Earths orbit is chock full of rocket bodies and other space junk. There were concerns over curiosities nuclear fuel cells - if there were an accident mars would be showered in radioactive material - but we went ahead and did it anyway... I get the feeling we'l care even less for other worlds than we do for our own. Humans suck tbh.
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stoicfaux
1537
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Posted - 2012.09.03 13:37:00 -
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Master Tarn wrote:Now, deep space exploration/traveling, hell, even colonization become more and more of a reality as we progress in real life. Not really. Until we develop an efficient means of getting stuff into orbit (i.e. space elevator) and a decent propulsion system (i.e. fusion power) our space exploration/traveling abilities are too limited.
Quote:I would like this thread to be about what the eve community expects if we... lets say, in 50 years have started colonizing space.
Will we be littering space with our trash? Depleting natural resources as we currently do on our planet? Trash in orbit is a problem. Asking about trash in space or depleting resources in space means that you have no idea of just how big space is.
Quote:Will we be spending billions on building war machines to blow each other up for personal profit and gain? If we can get into space to acquire resources efficiently, then it would be relatively cheap to wipe out humanity on Earth. Not much profit in that.
Quote:Or perhaps we have clasped hands together to fight mutual alien foes instead that threaten human race on a cosmic level? Odds are that aliens would be either so far advanced or so far behind us technologically that it wouldn't be a contest. Look at what we've accomplished in the last hundred years in terms of flight and space flight. Now imagine going up against an alien civilization that's been around a million years longer than we have. (Time on the universal scale is just mind boggling: Humanity is ~2 million years old, the dinosaurs were wiped out ~65 million years ago. Imagine what Earth's civilizations would be like if the dinosaurs hadn't been wiped out and had been evolving over the last 65 million years.)
Quote:If we take EVE as reference... then perhaps we need to worry? Or will we be fine and good little carebears? Eve isn't a reference.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Sturmwolke
272
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Posted - 2012.09.03 13:56:00 -
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Taking into account : * the odds of finding an earth-like planet (1G, temperate, water, oxgen and magnetosphere) in our galaxy. * the odds of humans not being the first race out there to lay claim on the Goldilock zone exoplanets. * the odds of humans self-destructing and susbsequent devolution of technology. * the human penchant for war and destruction, plus other negative traits. * the possibility of manipulation by non-human entities over the entire human race for whatever reasons.
I'd say, good luck at the colonization project. |

Tekniq
Bionic Systems
5
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Posted - 2012.09.03 14:18:00 -
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Master Tarn wrote: if we... lets say, in 50 years have started colonizing space.
its not cost effective and will never happen. the great times of spaceflights are over
we now can send cheap drones / robots, or just build some telescopes into space. but humans flying to space will get to zero soon.
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impli
Tr0pa de elite. Against ALL Authorities
16
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Posted - 2012.09.03 15:10:00 -
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nope in 50 years we are still on earth and calc the costs to bring a single coin into the space ... If we are unable to brake the gravity easily or speedup to or faster than light .. we goona stay right there where we are .. on a OIL pest rock named earth. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2026
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Posted - 2012.09.03 15:14:00 -
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The miners would go insane and be the serial killers Gÿ+/ /Gûî /n++ \ -áThis is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums. |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
615
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Posted - 2012.09.03 15:56:00 -
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Assuming we ever made it off our homeworld in any kind of lasting way, and assuming we somehow managed to develop the technology to travel the vast distances of space without it taking the better part of a human lifetime or even generations, and assuming we could do this in such a way as to maintain some sort of interplanetary communication and logistics structure and not just cast seeds of humanity to the solar winds to fend for themselves... I would worry about humanity coming into contact with the preverbial Jovians, acting like we all too often do towards each other, and as a result getting not only themselves stomped on like ants but provoking said Jove like race to come back here and wipe a potential menace from the face of this planet with about as much effort as it takes to press a button.
I hate to be pessimistic about it because ever since I was old enough to look up at the sky and understand the concept of space I have dreamt of leaving this world and drifting through space in the spirit of exploration and exocultural contact, but right now humanity in my opinion just doesn't have the level of respect for itself or our homeworld to justify our exodus from it without risking further harm to ourselves or other worlds.
So maybe as we play these kinda games we might realize from a certain perspective they aren't just games, they're tests, and so far in my opinion I don't see humanity passing. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |

Uris Vitgar
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.09.03 16:18:00 -
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Technology doesn't always advance at a predictable rate. For all we know somebody might figure out a way to make a nuclear thermal rocket that works (without spewing radioactive death into the atmosphere) tomorrow, and finish building and testing it before the end of the decade. That's all it takes to make space officially open for business |

Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
138
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Posted - 2012.09.03 16:22:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Assuming we ever made it off our homeworld in any kind of lasting way, and assuming we somehow managed to develop the technology to travel the vast distances of space without it taking the better part of a human lifetime or even generations, and assuming we could do this in such a way as to maintain some sort of interplanetary communication and logistics structure and not just cast seeds of humanity to the solar winds to fend for themselves... I would worry about humanity coming into contact with the preverbial Jovians, acting like we all too often do towards each other, and as a result getting not only themselves stomped on like ants but provoking said Jove like race to come back here and wipe a potential menace from the face of this planet with about as much effort as it takes to press a button.
I hate to be pessimistic about it because ever since I was old enough to look up at the sky and understand the concept of space I have dreamt of leaving this world and drifting through space in the spirit of exploration and exocultural contact, but right now humanity in my opinion just doesn't have the level of respect for itself or our homeworld to justify our exodus from it without risking further harm to ourselves or other worlds.
So maybe as we play these kinda games we might realize from a certain perspective they aren't just games, they're tests, and so far in my opinion I don't see humanity passing.
What if we are the most advanced civilization in the universe? I mean someone has to be first, why not us. Maybe we will be the Jovians to other species on different planets. "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
616
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Posted - 2012.09.03 16:37:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote:What if we are the most advanced civilization in the universe? I mean someone has to be first, why not us. Maybe we will be the Jovians to other species on different planets. I've wondered about that too, thing is when I look at our place in the Milky Way, how we're stuck way out on the edge of a single spiral arm among many other arms circling a nice and dense galactic center that looks lit up like New York City, I can't help but feel like we're out in the preverbial boondocks and that in that bright middle area theirs an abundance of life that has existed and evolved for far longer than we, not to mention all the other spiraling arms, and countless other galaxies as well. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |

Jonah Gravenstein
1069
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Posted - 2012.09.03 17:42:00 -
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Science fiction covers several possibilities involving interstellar travel, at our current technology/theoretical level the only viable one would be generation ships, sometimes called interstellar arks. Obviously we don't have viable cryogenics or propulsion systems available, but the theory is there.
In science fiction there would be rotating crew patterns with some awake, some in stasis, in reality a ship would have to be crewed by multiple generations of crew drawn from the offspring of the original crew, a journey to another galaxy will take hundreds if not thousands of years.
If and when we expand into the universe you can pretty much guarantee we're going to aggressive as hell with it, it's just the way we're wired. The older a colony the more civilised it will be, the newer colonies would be somewhat akin to the wild west, even in the rare circumstance that we find we're alone. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. CCP can't patch stupidity. |

TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
241
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Posted - 2012.09.03 20:05:00 -
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Yes "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming. |

Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
171
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Posted - 2012.09.03 20:16:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote:What if we are the most advanced civilization in the universe? I mean someone has to be first, why not us. Maybe we will be the Jovians to other species on different planets. I've wondered about that too, thing is when I look at our place in the Milky Way, how we're stuck way out on the edge of a single spiral arm among many other arms circling a nice and dense galactic center that looks lit up like New York City, I can't help but feel like we're out in the preverbial boondocks and that in that bright middle area theirs an abundance of life that has existed and evolved for far longer than we, not to mention all the other spiraling arms, and countless other galaxies as well.
Yea, we very well might be the red necks of the Universe in the middle of nowhere. There are galaxies billions years older that likely developed life. Life that would look at us as ants building their ant hills(skyscrapers). Really I dont even think they would bother with us, they would be incomprehensible to us with motivations and concepts outside of our scope of perception. Even if we colonized other planets it would look like ants crossing a river while biting each other over the dead grasshopper. |

Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
125
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Posted - 2012.09.03 20:17:00 -
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Considering how most of the human population doesn't care at all for space exploration, we're not going anywhere soon. Space is expensive I Endorse this Product and/or Service Source Recorder-esque tool for EVE |

TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
241
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Posted - 2012.09.03 20:20:00 -
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Tarn Kugisa wrote:Considering how most of the human population doesn't care at all for space exploration, we're not going anywhere soon. Space is expensive
I care  "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming. |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
620
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Posted - 2012.09.03 20:22:00 -
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TheBreadMuncher wrote:Tarn Kugisa wrote:Considering how most of the human population doesn't care at all for space exploration, we're not going anywhere soon. Space is expensive I care  Me too, but sometimes it depresses me that I care because in caring I come to realize just how much of a prisoner I am on this planet.  "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |

Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
171
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Posted - 2012.09.03 20:39:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:TheBreadMuncher wrote:Tarn Kugisa wrote:Considering how most of the human population doesn't care at all for space exploration, we're not going anywhere soon. Space is expensive I care  Me too, but sometimes it depresses me that I care because in caring I come to realize just how much of a prisoner I am on this planet. 
I get the feeling, billions of galaxies with billions of stars and you turn on the tv and watch something equivalent to an elementary school playground fight.
You might like this video btw, I would also recommend you subscribe to this guy, he works in the astronomy field and does a weekly "space fan news" on he's channel.
Space |

Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.09.03 20:43:00 -
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Tekniq wrote:Master Tarn wrote: if we... lets say, in 50 years have started colonizing space. its not cost effective and will never happen. the great times of spaceflights are over we now can send cheap drones / robots, or just build some telescopes into space. but humans flying to space will get to zero soon. Completely agree, certainly not 50 years. I do think the Chinese will go to the moon though (w/o the US), set up mining operations for helium-3 while the US is still sending probes to Mars to no end. 50 years? The moon will probably be popped out of orbit by then. Fair well moon base Alpha.
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Ghost of Truth
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.09.03 21:39:00 -
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Soi Mala wrote:Well, we already litter in space. Earths orbit is chock full of rocket bodies and other space junk. There were concerns over curiosities nuclear fuel cells - if there were an accident mars would be showered in radioactive material - but we went ahead and did it anyway... I get the feeling we'l care even less for other worlds than we do for our own. Humans suck tbh.
The earths Orbit is NOT full of Garbage.Space is huge and we aren not even close of filling it up.The problem si that every piece of metal larger than 1 cm can be devastating when its flying with great speed orbiting.Due to inefficient mechanical parts/lack of good design during the Space Race, there are lots of them up there that might be lethal for our crude spaceships if they hit.
About the Curiocity: Yes, adding some more radiation on the off chance that Curiocity explodes for no reason at all, on a heavily UV and Radiation saturated wasteland is bad ,suuuure......
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