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Angadia Hawaladar	Posted - 2011.05.02 00:19:00 - [1] Brand new to using an Orca in Exploration ops and I ran into a situation maybe someone can help me get un-confused. Here's the thing: Made a two man fleet with my Exploration character and also my Orca flyer who flys a Hulk also, that is in the Orca bay. The Exploration character can't fly the Orca or the Hulk, just his Exploration Pilgrim. So I scan down a site, and it's got an Acceleration Gate, so the Pilgrim goes in and clears it. I see it's got a big juicy rock sitting there and I want to mine it. The Orca's docked so I take the Hulk out of its bay and try to warp to the Pilgrim. I end up at the Acceleration Gate and it says the Hulk isn't allowed in but the Orca is because it says Industrial Command ships can go in. It doesn't mention any other Mining ship being allowed in either. So...I could fly the Orca thru the Accel Gate with the Hulk in the bay - but once in, what happens then? Do I launch the Hulk and abandon the Orca to get in the Hulk to mine? I am pretty nervous doing that as someone might come and steal it before I could get back in. Do I launch the Hulk and then go dock the Orca and come back and get in the Hulk? That makes me nervous as well leaving the Hulk sitting empty - someone might steal it. The Pilgrim is right there yeah but I don't want to lose it to Concord for trying to defend either the Hulk or the Orca should a shipjacker fly in (this is in hi-sec). So anyways, hope this isn't confusing to read... I know I'M confused about the logistics of all this. What's the correct procedure in this situation?
Renarla	Posted - 2011.05.02 00:55:00 - [2] Being paranoid in EVE is a very good thing, but the chances of someone actually scanning you down knowing that the Orca is unpiloted are pretty close to 0. Iirc if you need a target lock on the Orca, no one can board it, but don't quite me on that. I think this might just be an issue with that particular site, it seems pretty silly that an Orca can go through the gate but not a Hulk... petition it?
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.05.02 07:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Renarla Being paranoid in EVE is a very good thing, but the chances of someone actually scanning you down knowing that the Orca is unpiloted are pretty close to 0. Don't place your bets with this one. If someone sees an Orca on D-Scan they might attempt to probe it down and see what's going on. This method relies purely on the laziness of others (which, to be fair, is a pretty good, if fairly dangerous, tactic). Originally by: Renarla I think this might just be an issue with that particular site, it seems pretty silly that an Orca can go through the gate but not a Hulk... petition it? I doubt it's a glitch. Many gates prevent access to many types of ship (which, to be honest, IS pretty arbitrary). But petition away. _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Angadia Hawaladar	Posted - 2011.05.02 13:06:00 - [4] Originally by: Renarla Being paranoid in EVE is a very good thing, but the chances of someone actually scanning you down knowing that the Orca is unpiloted are pretty close to 0. Iirc if you need a target lock on the Orca, no one can board it, but don't quite me on that. I think this might just be an issue with that particular site, it seems pretty silly that an Orca can go through the gate but not a Hulk... petition it? Thanks --- I'm going to do some experimenting tonight with a couple of cheap frigates and see if the target lock scenario will keep the abandoned ship safe. Another question: is breaking a target lock by using ECM a Concordable offense?
Hakkar'al Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.02 13:17:00 - [5] Edited by: Hakkar''al Gallente on 02/05/2011 13:18:06 Where are you doing this (no need to reply =) ). If you are in a fairly quiet system, unload the hulk inside, dock the orca and go back in pod. The time it takes for a thief to scan down your hulk, run ECM on your pilgrim and fly off with the hulk is prolly longer than it takes you to dock and get back. EDIT: If you can't enter the anom in a pod, that would be pretty hilarious =)
Renarla	Posted - 2011.05.02 17:22:00 - [6] Originally by: Angadia Hawaladar Originally by: Renarla Being paranoid in EVE is a very good thing, but the chances of someone actually scanning you down knowing that the Orca is unpiloted are pretty close to 0. Iirc if you need a target lock on the Orca, no one can board it, but don't quite me on that. I think this might just be an issue with that particular site, it seems pretty silly that an Orca can go through the gate but not a Hulk... petition it? Thanks --- I'm going to do some experimenting tonight with a couple of cheap frigates and see if the target lock scenario will keep the abandoned ship safe. Another question: is breaking a target lock by using ECM a Concordable offense? Yes, ECM is concordable.

ISD IonCharge	Posted - 2011.05.04 10:46:00 - [7] Unpiloted ships may be locked; this prevents anyone but the last person who ejected from boarding them. It is highly recommended to familiarise yourself with aggression flagging mechanics before you do this, or at the least, practice with less valuable ships. --- ISD IonCharge Lt. Commander ISD STAR

debbie harrio	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Renarla Originally by: Angadia Hawaladar Another question: is breaking a target lock by using ECM a Concordable offense? Yes, ECM is concordable. This is actually slightly incorrect, ECM burst is only concordable if it is used against a player with no aggression to you and as it is an AOE weapon sometimes you will hit non aggressed players, if it is used away from stations and other players and only on aggressed parties concord do not get involved. Even so, when an Orca is involved it is easy enough to use a throw away alt in a frig to ECM burst breaking your lock while the stealing pilot boards your Orca, you could easily be bumped away also, thus saving a cheap frig and an alt.
Lady Go Diveher	Posted - 2011.05.04 12:08:00 - [9] Originally by: ISD IonCharge Unpiloted ships may be locked; this prevents anyone but the last person who ejected from boarding them. No it doesn't, so don't say it. Misinformation, and all that. Since countering a target lock is absolutely trivial, saying that it is a prevention in any regard is counter-productive. For the loss of less than 500,000 ISK, a Griffin will see you away with the Orca, everytime.
Angadia Hawaladar	Posted - 2011.05.04 13:09:00 - [10] Great... Now I'm all paranoid again about leaving the Orca unmanned, even if locked. I guess I need a third character to come in to fly the Hulk while the Orca pilot stays aboard. Or maybe train up the Exploration character to be a Hulk miner as well. I gotta ask myself at this point, are those rocks really worth the trouble?

San Fransisco Minmatar Silver Falcon Survey	Posted - 2011.05.04 15:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Hakkar'al Gallente EDIT: If you can't enter the anom in a pod, that would be pretty hilarious =) Just last night I was checking the ship restrictions for a combat mission I wanted to mine and I was told that I couldn't do it in a pod. Every other non capitol ship was fine but not my pod.
Lady Go Diveher	Posted - 2011.05.04 19:41:00 - [12] Edited by: Lady Go Diveher on 04/05/2011 19:41:12 Originally by: Angadia Hawaladar Great... Now I'm all paranoid again about leaving the Orca unmanned As you should be ... since it can be stolen from you at anytime. Quote: I gotta ask myself at this point, are those rocks really worth the trouble? Running multiple toons, just to go mining, is usually silly. $15 or 350m ISK a month ... just to haul or support one other mining character? Sounds like your break-even on that investment is mining 23/7
foksieloy Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.05.05 06:57:00 - [13] If you want to make it worth your money, you need 3+ hulks, 1 hauler and a booster orca. _______________________ The best thing in EvE is Barrage M.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.05.05 07:42:00 - [14] Originally by: Angadia Hawaladar Great... Now I'm all paranoid again about leaving the Orca unmanned, even if locked. I guess I need a third character to come in to fly the Hulk while the Orca pilot stays aboard. Or maybe train up the Exploration character to be a Hulk miner as well. I gotta ask myself at this point, are those rocks really worth the trouble? Carebear grew a brain! this must be reported to pirate HQ! We didn't think this was possible! Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.


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