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Eternum Praetorian
True Creation
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Posted - 2012.09.04 01:19:00 -
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I just got done training marauders even though I have no reason to every fly or buy one. This is the next truly stupidly long skill that I am training just because I have nothing else to do in the game. TBH I never thought I would bother getting the prerequisites for these ships.
Without this turning into a classic EVE is dieing thread, I would like to ask if subscriptions have been down. Each time I log in I am seeing people online in the lower 30's and as of this moment only 28K. When I was active about a year ago I seem to recall allot higher numbers on tranquility.
Alternatively...
I am noticing allot more people online everyday on singularity. The old cap seemed to be around 200, two days ago there was 2,000. I don't know, nor do I care whether or not there was a mass test this weekend. But at this exact moment singularity is registering 2031 online. This seems like a big change to me. Can anyone confirm of deny this?
It is like not seeing a relative for several years, then one Christmas you realize they gained a whole bunch of weight and their hair turned grey. That many on singularity and that few on tranquility seems a little odd to me, and it may suggest that overall interest in EVE online as a whole is waning. I know that it is for me.
Parrots commence.
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Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
630
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Posted - 2012.09.04 01:24:00 -
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The defacto response I've seen to this question has to do with it being summer and EVE's population is always lower in the summer and increases in the winter.
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Eternum Praetorian
True Creation
832
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Posted - 2012.09.04 01:29:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:The defacto response I've seen to this question has to do with it being summer and EVE's population is always lower in the summer and increases in the winter.
I guess I can post again in winter if it still seems low. It will probably take me that long to log in again. But at least 2,000 people are enjoying the freeplay of sisi in place of the actual game on tranquility.
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DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
459
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Posted - 2012.09.04 01:31:00 -
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inb4 ISD Type40 comes along and locks thread for ***** and giggles.
/me Gives up trying to enjoy the forums when power hungry ISDs are around.
Damn nature, you scary! |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
350
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Posted - 2012.09.04 01:32:00 -
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Hmm, 1am, wonder why the numbers are down? Hmm, US schools for the most part start today (not sure about euros).
As for sisi, could it be that now that Dust is on sisi, you're seeing the increased numbers based on that?
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Eternum Praetorian
True Creation
832
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Posted - 2012.09.04 01:32:00 -
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DelBoy Trades wrote:inb4 ISD Type40 comes along and locks thread for ***** and giggles.
/me Gives up trying to enjoy the forums when power hungry ISDs are around.
What commenting on subscriptions online are lockable now?
Rengerel en Distel wrote:Hmm, 1am, wonder why the numbers are down? Hmm, US schools for the most part start today (not sure about euros).
As for sisi, could it be that now that Dust is on sisi, you're seeing the increased numbers based on that?
No idea. U tell me. Also, how was your first day at school today sweetheart?
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Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
630
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Posted - 2012.09.04 01:35:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:DelBoy Trades wrote:inb4 ISD Type40 comes along and locks thread for ***** and giggles.
/me Gives up trying to enjoy the forums when power hungry ISDs are around. What commenting on subscriptions online are lockable now?
Don't mind that, some folks are just a bit butthurt because one of the ISDs seems to take his job a little too seriously.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
967
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Posted - 2012.09.04 01:37:00 -
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Sisi is high because the dust players are on it too. The online count is the total of eve and dust players.
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James 315
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
2598
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Posted - 2012.09.04 01:38:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Without this turning into a classic EVE is dieing thread, I would like to ask if subscriptions have been down. Each time I log in I am seeing people online in the lower 30's and as of this moment only 28K. When I was active about a year ago I seem to recall allot higher numbers on tranquility.
The bot population is certainly up, can't speak to the human population. 
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Landrae
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
351
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Posted - 2012.09.04 01:40:00 -
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Online numbers drop about this time as US Kids and possible other parts of the world go back to school.
Welcome to Eve Online |
Aziesta
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.04 01:50:00 -
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Tranquility population graphs.
It does appear that there's a dip every year around August-October. Probably students heading back to school and having to rearrange their schedules. However you do seem to be possibly correct that this year wasn't quite as active as last year. It's not "EVE is dieing" levels, but it's the first year there wasn't a marked increase. |
Agent Akari
Hobo Industries Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.09.04 01:57:00 -
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Also this year some new hyped mmo's have come out, that could have made this year a little less activity.
But we will see.. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
2039
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Posted - 2012.09.04 02:04:00 -
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Guildwars 2 was just released. It's absolutely typical that a major MMO release will temporarily draw players away from Eve.
-Liang
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C O'Brien
Android Gang
Stealth Syndicate
7
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Posted - 2012.09.04 02:13:00 -
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I've been seeing around 20k logged on when I do, a significant drop from when I used to play in '07 the numbers were nearly 50k. 60k logged on during Alliance Tournaments. |
Sturmwolke
273
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Posted - 2012.09.04 02:24:00 -
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Same as per Liang. GW2 and probably some folks playing on SISI/DUST beta.
The Missions forum has been fairly active on new posts, that's always a sign that players are coming back to the game.
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
2039
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Posted - 2012.09.04 02:31:00 -
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C O'Brien wrote:I've been seeing around 20k logged on when I do, a significant drop from when I used to play in '07 the numbers were nearly 50k. 60k logged on during Alliance Tournaments.
What time did you log on then vs what time do you log on now? You need to be careful not to equate moving the timezone of your play time to dropping subs/engagement. Seriously, the difference between logging on at the end of EU TZ and logging on just before AUS TZ starts is quite impressive - and is about what you described.
-Liang
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Ghazu
99
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Posted - 2012.09.04 03:25:00 -
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christ you know what i really hate? when i turn on the bbc while i rat and it's poo poo africa this and that i turn it right off. |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners
Capital Punishment.
139
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Posted - 2012.09.04 04:03:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:The defacto response I've seen to this question has to do with it being summer and EVE's population is always lower in the summer and increases in the winter. Also if you're training marauders and you can afford them you might wanna check out the Golem and the Kronos which I hear are both very good at what they do, also the Vargur saw a lot of use in the last alliance tournament so those seem to be popular at the moment with the people who can fly those kinda ships. Oh and as far as this turning into another EVE is dieing thread I hope not, we already have one of those here.
For clarification, that thread is not about Eve dying. If you read the thread you will see I hope and anticipate it lasting for 11 more years. It really was brought up to suggest a truly NPC environment and what peoples reaction to that would be; I used the hypothetical end of Eves existence to place it in a consequence free environment, at least from a business p
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Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
178
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Posted - 2012.09.04 04:17:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Guildwars 2 was just released. It's absolutely typical that a major MMO release will temporarily draw players away from Eve.
-Liang
^
Me included. I'll be back though. So will everyone else. EVE is like a staph infection. |
FU10011101
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.09.04 04:48:00 -
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watching the replys i have to say eve players are really hardcore trying to tell themselves all is well and are in denial that numbers really are low.. first it was spring and summertime and diablo launch. THAT IS WHY NUMBERS ARE DOWN. and now its oh yea schools started and some other game launched... major blobs in this game namely one huge coalition are killing 0.0 gameplay and suicide ganking freighters and jf from left and right in highsec as suicideganking freighters is so easy and cheap and results in huge loot. but its not all because of that. game is stagnating and people are losing will to play. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
524
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Posted - 2012.09.04 05:04:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:christ you know what i really hate? when i turn on the bbc while i rat and it's poo poo africa this and that i turn it right off.
What?
You want fries with that? |
Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
36
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Posted - 2012.09.04 06:08:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Without this turning into a classic EVE is dieing thread, I would like to ask if subscriptions have been down. Each time I log in I am seeing people online in the lower 30's and as of this moment only 28K. When I was active about a year ago I seem to recall allot higher numbers on tranquility.
I've logged on steradily for two days, and ever time I go in I see numbers in the range of 43-44,000.
It's all about the time you log in. Mornings are very slow, but afternoons in Pacific time are pretty busy. |
William Walker
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
43
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Posted - 2012.09.04 06:15:00 -
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EU TZ usually has around 44k+ online when I get back from work. EVE is dying |
Samoth Egnoled
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
34
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Posted - 2012.09.04 06:22:00 -
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From personal experience, Being that i have just returned after a 2 year break.
Yes numbers are down. But that doesnt mean that EVE is dying..... Kiddies have just gone back to school and or they are still in a country much hotter than where i am...
Though i lack interest for 0.0 anymore, i have become an Empire dwelling ButtMonkey, War decking the hell out of people dumb enough not to look at local. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1719
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Posted - 2012.09.04 06:49:00 -
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A lot of people are going back to school this week. In the southern states, they start in August, and in the northern, they start around now. This is a disruption to schedules. College schedules are similar.
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Riyal
Chode Extravaganza
47
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Posted - 2012.09.04 08:34:00 -
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Playing Skyrim myself, crossbows are awesome. |
Benjamin Boots
Cypher Mortalis
0
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Posted - 2012.09.04 10:12:00 -
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Well, in the german Part of EvE i see a lot of newcommers, could be me though...
dont forget that we had a year full of nice game releases such as diablo 3 and GW2 now - and of course (in switzerland :P) a great summer :D |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
732
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Posted - 2012.09.04 10:34:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Without this turning into a classic EVE is dieing thread, I would like to ask if subscriptions have been down. Each time I log in I am seeing people online in the lower 30's and as of this moment only 28K. When I was active about a year ago I seem to recall allot higher numbers on tranquility.
That would have been pre Incarna but the numbers are better now than they were.
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Alternatively...
I am noticing allot more people online everyday on singularity. The old cap seemed to be around 200, two days ago there was 2,000. I don't know, nor do I care whether or not there was a mass test this weekend. But at this exact moment singularity is registering 2031 online. This seems like a big change to me. Can anyone confirm of deny this?
The 2000+ is dust players on SiSi as well as the eve people.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Samoth Egnoled
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
35
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Posted - 2012.09.04 10:37:00 -
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Riyal wrote:Playing Skyrim myself, crossbows are awesome.
Good old Skyrim, Accidentally wiped my save the other day i was pretty much like this      |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
1139
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Posted - 2012.09.04 11:01:00 -
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+40K online at EU prime time, and at least wormhole space is teeming with action these days. Summer was quiet, now it's bloody fantastic <3
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
172
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Posted - 2012.09.04 11:03:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Without this turning into a classic EVE is dieing thread, I would like to ask if subscriptions have been down. Each time I log in I am seeing people online in the lower 30's and as of this moment only 28K. When I was active about a year ago I seem to recall allot higher numbers on tranquility. The bot population is certainly up, can't speak to the human population.
Proof or STFU
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Eternum Praetorian
True Creation
832
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Posted - 2012.09.04 11:24:00 -
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3 words "Oghma Infinium Exploit" 
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
478
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Posted - 2012.09.04 11:24:00 -
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as mentioned, summer is quiet.
Wait till all the people cant play Frisbee in the park and all their friends they can touch hibernate for the winter.
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Adoro
Reikoku
The Retirement Club
3
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Posted - 2012.09.04 11:30:00 -
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C O'Brien wrote:I've been seeing around 20k logged on when I do, a significant drop from when I used to play in '07 the numbers were nearly 50k. 60k logged on during Alliance Tournaments.
Oh man what a bullshit, EVE had far less players in 2007 than they do now. Back in '07 we were at maybe 25k |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
889
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:45:00 -
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The graph at the bottom on http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility quite clearly shows a downward slide since a peak at Jan 2011.
Can it recover ? Not sure at this point. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
51
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:51:00 -
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Past months EVE had hardly 40k users EUTZ at night. Last week i saw 45k+ users logging on same time. last winter i saw many times going above 50k. We ll see this winter. If it will be reaching 50k we are fine.
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
2043
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Posted - 2012.09.04 15:53:00 -
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Aside from various Summer Of Rages, that graph looks pretty reasonable. You have to consider a few things:
- They're auto banning bots now.
- The slide stopped in Nov 2011 (as it does every year)
- Year over year we're actually doing better than last year (this isn't hard - lolmonaclegate)
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
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Logi Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.09.04 16:08:00 -
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Rats wrote:James 315 wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Without this turning into a classic EVE is dieing thread, I would like to ask if subscriptions have been down. Each time I log in I am seeing people online in the lower 30's and as of this moment only 28K. When I was active about a year ago I seem to recall allot higher numbers on tranquility. The bot population is certainly up, can't speak to the human population. Proof or STFU Tal
It's coming from James 315, isn't that enough proof already? |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
1623
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Posted - 2012.09.04 16:50:00 -
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I saw 46k on I think sunday night. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
889
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Posted - 2012.09.04 17:23:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:
- The slide stopped in Nov 2011 (as it does every year)
- Year over year we're actually doing better than last year (this isn't hard - lolmonaclegate)
-Liang
No, it did not stop, nor HAS not stopped.
Don't tell me you are going to ARGUE over legitimate statistics.
It did reached another small peak in April during the post-FanFest Debacle, but has been on an obvious slide again.
The number of 4 and 5 year players I know that have quit over the past few months has been saddening. |
Xiode
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2012.09.04 17:32:00 -
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Some managed to open the door and are now on a seperate server. |
Pook Nasty
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.09.04 17:36:00 -
[42] - Quote
Probably. I used to think Eve was the best game. It was all I talked about in RL. Now it's just another pain in the A....
It's really kind of sad. But nothing last forever. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
Dead On Arrival Alliance
1140
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Posted - 2012.09.04 18:15:00 -
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Staying in NPC corps is a sure way to ruin your EVE experience.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade
Vera Cruz Alliance
857
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Posted - 2012.09.04 18:45:00 -
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Landrae wrote:Online numbers drop about this time as US Kids and possible other parts of the world go back to school.
Because school kids are obvioulsy a large chunk of EVE playerbase.
The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade
Vera Cruz Alliance
857
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Posted - 2012.09.04 18:47:00 -
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Also 55k this morning.. (7 hours ago from where i stand)
40.972 at the moment.
The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Kult Altol
Republican Industries
Epsilon Fleet
63
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Posted - 2012.09.04 19:21:00 -
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Benjamin Boots wrote:Well, in the german Part of EvE i see a lot of newcommers, could be me though...
dont forget that we had a year full of nice game releases such as diablo 3 and GW2 now - and of course (in switzerland :P) a great summer :D
d3 good? nope.
A narrow mind is a focused mind. |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade
Vera Cruz Alliance
857
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Posted - 2012.09.04 20:02:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:Benjamin Boots wrote:Well, in the german Part of EvE i see a lot of newcommers, could be me though...
dont forget that we had a year full of nice game releases such as diablo 3 and GW2 now - and of course (in switzerland :P) a great summer :D d3 good? nope.
I stopped playing EVE for a few days after D3 came out.
For a few days.
Then after that i stopped playing for a few days of dayz.
The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Qec
Viziam
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.09.04 20:03:00 -
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The EvE population will always fluctuate just as long as we do what we can to invite new players, i believe eve will grow in the years to come, as most of us know, EvE Never Fades |
Renan Ruivo
Irmandade
Vera Cruz Alliance
857
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Posted - 2012.09.04 20:11:00 -
[49] - Quote
Qec wrote:The EvE population will always fluctuate just as long as we do what we can to invite new players, i believe eve will grow in the years to come, as most of us know, EvE Never Fades
Players invite other players? Tell me more about this ...
The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Idris Helion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.09.04 21:18:00 -
[50] - Quote
Eh. I see populations in the low 40's over the weekends, and that's as high as I've ever seen EVE go. (A few times as high as the 50's, but that was before the CQ fiasco and the great lag-fest that large-scale combat has turned into). The subscriber base seems pretty static, actually -- it doesn't grow much, but it doesn't shrink much either.
DUST has eaten up a lot of CCP's resources, and I keep hoping that after DUST is live the company will make some long-needed changes to the EVE client -- the window GUI and art assets desperately need an upgrade, as does the whole missioning system. EVE is already a formidably complicated game; the outdated and complex UI is just another way the game scares off many new players. Worse yet, the client is really badly-optimized and needs performance tuning.
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Borker Mango
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.09.05 03:41:00 -
[51] - Quote
The population number on the launcher/eveoffline is counted by active accounts connected, right? If that's the case, why do people always go off of that number when discussing it? It should at the least, always be divided by two or three. I haven't met anyone ingame that doesn't have 2 accounts at a minimum.
PS. agreed, d3 sux. I was hating on the d3 haters when they started hating but once I saw the bigger picture I started hating too. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
2052
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Posted - 2012.09.05 04:30:00 -
[52] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:
- The slide stopped in Nov 2011 (as it does every year)
- Year over year we're actually doing better than last year (this isn't hard - lolmonaclegate)
-Liang
No, it did not stop, nor HAS not stopped. Don't tell me you are going to ARGUE over legitimate statistics. It did reached another small peak in April during the post-FanFest Debacle, but has been on an obvious slide again. The number of 4 and 5 year players I know that have quit over the past few months has been saddening.
You need to compare the bases before the Oct/Nov - Jan/Feb peak. Year over year, we're not doing nearly as poorly as you claim. The real question is how we're going to be able to do anything with these numbers once Dust Bunnies are counted in the online stats. :)
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
2052
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Posted - 2012.09.05 04:31:00 -
[53] - Quote
Borker Mango wrote:The population number on the launcher/eveoffline is counted by active accounts connected, right? If that's the case, why do people always go off of that number when discussing it? It should at the least, always be divided by two or three. I haven't met anyone ingame that doesn't have 2 accounts at a minimum.
PS. agreed, d3 sux. I was hating on the d3 haters when they started hating but once I saw the bigger picture I started hating too.
I know several that have one account. Hell, 3/4s of Heretic Army has only one account.
/shrug
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9354
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Posted - 2012.09.05 04:52:00 -
[54] - Quote
For the record:
Sun 2012-09-02 GÇö 47,079 PCU (trending straight downwards).
Sun 2011-09-04 GÇö 46,625 PCU (trending towards bottom of an upwards-trending saw-tooth pattern).
Compare last year's numbers with the numbers for this year.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
39
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Posted - 2012.09.05 05:43:00 -
[55] - Quote
I've seen over 60,000 online at a time, but that was years ago. I forget what happened, but there was some CCP change that caused a massive stink and a huge chunk of EvE's bitterest vets quit en masse. I don't remember if it was because of Dust or the captains cabin thing or something else around that same time.
Interestingly enough, right after all those people left there was a campaign to get new people to join right afterward. As someone on a different forum said it best, "EvE is one of the only games that would actually benefit by having a of veteran players quit, as they currently have so much power that they bottleneck the game for any new players trying to join & advance their in-game lives."
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
889
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:07:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote: The real question is how we're going to be able to do anything with these numbers once Dust Bunnies are counted in the online stats. :)
-Liang
Speculation: Dust will run on a separate server; we only interact at certain points. Therefore, separate server, separate numbers. |
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