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Nikki Silver	Posted - 2005.02.14 00:15:00 - [31] Edited by: Nikki Silver on 14/02/2005 00:16:59 I think you are a fool to sell BPC's in the first place. If you pay for lab space and spend the time researching ME on a BPO - why are you selling cheap copies? The reason to do ME research is so that you can produce the item the BP makes for less material, not to plug it into a lab and mass produce cheap copies. I do not and I never will understand why people sell BPC's. Much less for the very low prices for wich they are sold. A high ME BPO is a market advantage. You can produce the item for less then someone with a less researched BPO can. By selling BPC's you are throwing away that market advantage to make a little bit of quick ISK. I have tons of BPO's - I do not copy them. I will never copy them. I'm not selling you a ME ## copy of a Battleship BP for a measly 2mil ISK - I'm gonna sell you a freakin Battleship for 110 mil - that cose me signifigantly less to produce then the next guy because of my UBER ME level. Why the hell would anyone sell that ME advantage? Especially for so dirt cheap.
d'hofren	Posted - 2005.02.14 11:24:00 - [32] Originally by: Nikki Silver Edited by: Nikki Silver on 14/02/2005 00:16:59 I think you are a fool to sell BPC's in the first place. If you pay for lab space and spend the time researching ME on a BPO - why are you selling cheap copies? The reason to do ME research is so that you can produce the item the BP makes for less material, not to plug it into a lab and mass produce cheap copies. I do not and I never will understand why people sell BPC's. Much less for the very low prices for wich they are sold. A high ME BPO is a market advantage. You can produce the item for less then someone with a less researched BPO can. By selling BPC's you are throwing away that market advantage to make a little bit of quick ISK. I have tons of BPO's - I do not copy them. I will never copy them. I'm not selling you a ME ## copy of a Battleship BP for a measly 2mil ISK - I'm gonna sell you a freakin Battleship for 110 mil - that cose me signifigantly less to produce then the next guy because of my UBER ME level. Why the hell would anyone sell that ME advantage? Especially for so dirt cheap. Not really- PE is the skill that brings the margin on large ticket items. Most non pro builders will be happy with pe 4. Most builders work with pe5. The lvl 5 advantage gives an extra 5% margin. Thats about 3.5mil on a tier 1 BS. ME is only half the equation try this - Linkage I knicked this off an old forum post. So respect due to whoever wrote the php all I did was hck it around a bit.
Nikki Silver	Posted - 2005.02.14 11:39:00 - [33] Time spent researching PE is time not spent researching ME. I really don't care about PE. It's not like I have enough minerals laying around to have a factory pump out battleships 24/7 Just my point of view I guess. PE seems like a waste of lab time to me. Ammount of time to cook something in a factory really doesn't matter.
A'de N'ahten	Posted - 2005.02.14 12:51:00 - [34] Originally by: Nikki Silver Time spent researching PE is time not spent researching ME. I really don't care about PE. It's not like I have enough minerals laying around to have a factory pump out battleships 24/7 Just my point of view I guess. PE seems like a waste of lab time to me. Ammount of time to cook something in a factory really doesn't matter. PE in this instance is the Production efficiency skill (not the PE on the blueprint - which is screwed atm and doesn't work) Production efficiency seperates the pros from the masses - high ME on a BP is a waste of time and effort and above all ISK above ME 5 or 10 it makes minimal difference A'de
A'de N'ahten	Posted - 2005.02.14 13:41:00 - [35] sorry - forgot to say Production efficiency skill reduces the mineral wastage when producing an item..... if you are even remotely serious about production you want level 5 A'de
VIXIT CORP	Posted - 2005.02.14 14:08:00 - [36] just one simple thing i mentioned over a year ago: disable the ability to make copies of BPO's then you will have only producers and the people who can afford the BPO and not everyone can make everything. I know i will get flamed because BPO copying was a worthy buisiness, but as anyone can see there's not much to gain anymore, and the nice part is: they did it to themself We own a lot of PBO's and never copied them only produce the stuff with it and still making profit, and yes we have lab rents of 1.5M a week now and still making profit. So keep it coming
Nikki Silver	Posted - 2005.02.14 19:39:00 - [37] Sorry - I thought you meant PE on the BPO. Production Efficiency skill is a given.
Karl Borhman	Posted - 2005.02.14 21:53:00 - [38] Originally by: VIXIT CORP just one simple thing i mentioned over a year ago: disable the ability to make copies of BPO's then you will have only producers and the people who can afford the BPO and not everyone can make everything. Fine with me. But only when CCP makes retrievers, covetors and Strip Miner 1's BPO available in large supply. I'm not lugging these from empire to 0.0. Until then the BPC's for such items are well appreciated. __________________________________ Mining ... the other white meat. __________________________________
Steven Dynahir	Posted - 2005.02.15 09:09:00 - [39] Quote: today i buy a bpo of whatever for 1.5million isk... after 2 weeks it has reached ME25 until then i payed already 600k x 3 + 1.5million and when i want to make copies on it for selling them with a regular escrow price... im selling 5run copies/me25 for 350k - so my question to you: how many copies do i need to make until the research on this bpo became profi Let's assume that you get 5 BPC's in one rent cycle. Initial cost (ME25 BPO): 3300kISK Rent cycle cost: 600kISK Generated money/rent cycle: 5*350kISK = 1750kISK Profit/rent cycle: 1750kISK - 600kISK = 1150kISK Time to get even: 3300kISK/1150kISK = 2.86 rent cycles ~ 8.6 days. Not bad I say. After this time you have caused total loss of around 75 lost sales to manufacturing industry, which equals to 18mISK. So yes, you should actually pay atleast 2mISK/lab slot. SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR
Zaintiraris	Posted - 2005.02.15 20:03:00 - [40] My corp pays extremely close attention to its labs. If a single slot goes unfilled for a day, I start ***ing heads, because we primarily research low-end stuff. Thus, I seriously doubt there is actually a glut of people researching shuttle BPOs and crap like that. It just isn't worth the while. --- Originally by:** CCP Hammer This game was so much better back before people knew math.



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