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Igualmentedos Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.07 16:11:00 - [1] I'm trying to build a new PC and I'm running into some issues. I want to future-proof this machine as much as possible. In the first build I have an intel quad core and the second I have a hexa-core AMD. I'll mainly use this computer for gaming, but I'm not looking for some insane stuff, just enough to play EVE, Starcraft, and any games that come out in the next six months (BF3, and Skyrim). The GPU I can change later, any advice on which GPU I should buy? The first: GPU CPU PSU MoBo RAM DVD Drive HDD Second Build: I was thinking about buying 2 GTx 460's in order to SLI, but I'm not sure. RAM DVD Drive HDD GPU MoBo CPU PSU Any thoughts or suggestions? Know anything better? Thanks for the help.
Citizen20100211442 Minmatar Carebear Evolution Concordiat Alliance	Posted - 2011.05.07 16:53:00 - [2] Lol, you need to click every given link twice, for every part. Good luck finding masochists
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.07 17:32:00 - [3] If all you want is a machine that can play the current games and those that will come out in the near future reasonably, a single 460 GTX will do just fine, and also, CPU is not really all that important (most games are GPU-limited, not CPU-limited), and they keep rolling out CPUs so fast (and the slightly older ones get so much cheaper) that spending too much on it makes very little sense. Besides, most games nowadays come with console portability in mind, and the hardware in all current-gen consoles is easily matched by a cheap PC. VERY FEW games you can find these days can really demand a lot from your machine, unless you insist on running them in insane resolutions (on multiple monitors) and with extreme AA settings. If you buy your stuff in the USA, a budget of around 600$ tops "for the box" should be quite sufficient for adequate performance in almost any game that's likely to come out this year. "Future-proofing" a PC is a futile endeavour, as the performance/price ratio drops sharply as performance increases, so much that simply replacing the mobo/CPU/RAM/GPU (and keeping everything else) on a regular basis ends up being both cheaper and offering a better "over time" performance. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Igualmentedos Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.07 20:21:00 - [4] I Decided on a build after stalking around newegg for an hour: DVD drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 HDD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148697 MoBo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138318 GPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121390 PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018 RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314 CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103849 Thanks for the patience and help.
Vogue Short Bus Pole Dancers	Posted - 2011.05.07 20:43:00 - [5] One tip with AMD CPU's, it may have changed, but if you get an AMD CPU packaged with a heatsink\fan you might have a lot of trouble trying to separate the two as from my experience and others AMD have used thermal paste that is like super glue. I have broken a pin of an AMD X2 6000+ because the bleedin heatsink was welded to the CPU. But I am unlucky with CPU's I trashed two AMD X2 2500's because I was ham fisted and damaged the exposed CPU core with a heatsink. And as above I snapped one pin of an AMD 6000. But i got it to work by getting a gold pin from a IDE-Cardflash adapter and putting it in the cpu socket to mate with the pin less connection on the CPU. .................................................. Fortress Of Solitude
Igualmentedos Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.07 21:39:00 - [6] Originally by: Vogue One tip with AMD CPU's, it may have changed, but if you get an AMD CPU packaged with a heatsink\fan you might have a lot of trouble trying to separate the two as from my experience and others AMD have used thermal paste that is like super glue. I have broken a pin of an AMD X2 6000+ because the bleedin heatsink was welded to the CPU. But I am unlucky with CPU's I trashed two AMD X2 2500's because I was ham fisted and damaged the exposed CPU core with a heatsink. And as above I snapped one pin of an AMD 6000. But i got it to work by getting a gold pin from a IDE-Cardflash adapter and putting it in the cpu socket to mate with the pin less connection on the CPU. I just built a PC for my parents and I didn't have much trouble with the CPU and Heatsink/fan. Maybe I got lucky though?
Lithalnas Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2011.05.08 03:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Igualmentedos I'm trying to build a new PC and I'm running into some issues. I want to future-proof this machine as much as possible. In the first build I have an intel quad core and the second I have a hexa-core AMD. I'll mainly use this computer for gaming, but I'm not looking for some insane stuff, just enough to play EVE, Starcraft, and any games that come out in the next six months (BF3, and Skyrim). The GPU I can change later, any advice on which GPU I should buy? The first: GPU CPU PSU MoBo RAM DVD Drive HDD Second Build: I was thinking about buying 2 GTx 460's in order to SLI, but I'm not sure. RAM DVD Drive HDD GPU MoBo CPU PSU Any thoughts or suggestions? Know anything better? Thanks for the help. Build 1 GPU: get a 460 with 1gb of memory, acording to several performance articles, that 256 of extra on card memory is something like a 15% boost to FPS. And an EVGA card is like 139$ after rebate. CPU: Great CPU for an overclocker, so if you are not overclocking then it is a bit of a waste of cash PSU: 700W is a little overkill and I am not confident in the pricepoint of this coolermaster psu. Mobo: I usually figue you should spend nearly as much on the mobo as you do for the CPU, I think this ASRock mobo is a little underpowered and undeserving of your 2500k RAM: Its functional 2x4gb at 1600 HDD: a good choice not quite in the bugget to go SSD Build 2 DANGER DANGER Will Robinson! AMD board do not have SLI! The only way to squeeze 2 460's on most AMD board is to buy the EVGA 2WIN, which is two 460's with SLI integrated into the card to manage the two GF 104 cores(the core the 460) Mobo: The board you chose has SLI but is a rare board, it is also a 750 chipset which will be a major bottleneck for your hexacore 1090t. I suggest something from the 890 series of chipsets. -------------
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.05.08 03:42:00 - [8] You dont need a 700 W PSU unless you have some sort of insane raid config, or multiple GPU's. (In which case if you read the spec you'll need 550 I could be wrong on the nvidia cards) using a 95 W CPU I'd say get a card with a gig of video ram, and dependent upon how much money you're looking to spend go AMD. Also probably dont need 8 gigs of ram. Think the most ram I use dual boxing eve and streaming tv, and itunes open at one time with DDR2 is 70%. In any case if you need more just buy another 2-4 later. Also see if you can find a HDD with 64mb of cache instead of 32 or buy another one for same price and raid it.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.08 08:23:00 - [9] STUFF YOU'LL REPLACE IN YOUR NEXT MACHINE = 300$ total AMD Phenom II X4 840 3.2GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core (105$) - CPU Linkage MSI 870S-G46 AM3 ATX, SATA 6GB/s, Crossfire ready (80$) - MoBo Linkage SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB (115$) GPU linkage STUFF YOU'LL MOST LIKELY KEEP FOR YOUR NEXT MACHINE = around 310$ total CORSAIR XMS3 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (90$) - RAM Linkage WDC Black 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s (90$) HDD Linkage OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W modular Xfire/SLI ready (90$) PSU Linkage Random decent case - 40$ tops, no point linking any = GRAND TOTAL 610$ You can always add a second 5770 for 725$ total, or replace them with any other better ATI/AMD video card you feel like shelling over. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Igualmentedos Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.08 16:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 08/05/2011 09:04:41 ... STUFF YOU'LL REPLACE IN YOUR NEXT MACHINE (1-2 years) = 300$ total AMD Phenom II X4 840 3.2GHz Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core (105$) - CPU Linkage MSI 870S-G46 AM3 ATX, SATA 6GB/s, Crossfire ready (80$) - MoBo Linkage SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB (115$) GPU linkage STUFF YOU'LL MOST LIKELY KEEP FOR YOUR NEXT MACHINE (3-4 or more years) = around 310$ total CORSAIR XMS3 8GB (4 x 2GB) Quad-Channel DDR3 1333 (90$) - RAM Linkage WDC Black 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s (90$) HDD Linkage OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W modular Crossfire/SLI able (90$) PSU Linkage Random decent case - 40$ tops, no point linking any = GRAND TOTAL 610$ You might even want to keep the MoBo in the next machine and only upgrade the CPU/GPU, so that makes 220$ worth of stuff you replace and 390$ worth of stuff you'll keep. Or you could already switch to, say, a pair of Radeon HD 6950 2GB (at 260$ each) GPU linkage ? Yes, that PSU should be able to handle it. That would drive you to 1015$ total, but offer a more than kick-ass gaming performance. You can always get just one of those, for "only" 755$ total and still get a great performance. Optionally, you can switch the HDD for a SSD (but don't expect to get more than 5 years out of it, especially with heavy use), you will get much faster load times, but not sure if it's worth the hike in price. Add slower-speed larger HDDs for storage. Personally, I would not bother, but other people really love it, so, depends on your preferences. I have a 2TB WD20EARS as my primary HDD (that one costs only 80$ - HDD Linkage), and I still don't find it bothersome at all. Okay, I took what you and Blacksquirrel said into consideration and came up with the following build. MoBo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130590 CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727 GPU: It's a recertified 470 and The reviews seem very promising, so I'm going with it. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133341 PSU: is 600w enough? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182032 RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231396 HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533 Any thoughts? Does everything seem to add up? Any compatibility problems?
Freyya Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2011.05.08 18:52:00 - [11] i Bought and built this rig 2 days ago. I couldn't have spent my money better at that budget IMHO. i5 2500K MSI P67A-GD65(B3 stepping!!) HD6950 1GB (any brand) G.Skill Ripjaw DC 8GB. Mushkin Callisto Deluxe 120GB SSD Coolermaster 600W silent pro. Ofcourse some other stuff like normal 1TB HDD and case and all. But man, Crysis 2 runs absolutely epic on this thing Even WoT looks ten times better than it did on my old P4 Rig with HD3870... ___________ NOW COLLECTING ISD AND CCP AUTOGRAPHS It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth Pink is the color of passion xxx Shadow
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.08 22:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Freyya But man, Crysis 2 runs absolutely epic on this thing You might want to try Crysis (1) Warhead, or maybe Metro 2033, or any other "not just DX9" game. Crysis 2 runs just fine on machines where Crysis 1 would choke. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Kyden Gallente PWNT-Inc.	Posted - 2011.05.08 23:26:00 - [13] SLI those 460's or get 2 6870's xfired...go with the I& over the I% as well. As far as CPU, the best I& performs 10% faster in games so I would go for the amd 1090t...best bang for your buck to be honest, or wait for AMD's bulldozer series to come out. Keep the sata drive for storage and games but get an SSD for your OS and EVE. Also asrock mobos are crappy. go with ASUS republic of gamer boreds, fot the amd build I suggest the Asus crosshair IV, Amazing overclocking abiities.
Kyden Gallente PWNT-Inc.	Posted - 2011.05.08 23:41:00 - [14] Edited by: Kyden on 08/05/2011 23:42:01 Build 2 DANGER DANGER Will Robinson! AMD board do not have SLI! The only way to squeeze 2 460's on most AMD board is to buy the EVGA 2WIN, which is two 460's with SLI integrated into the card to manage the two GF 104 cores(the core the 460) Mobo: The board you chose has SLI but is a rare board, it is also a 750 chipset which will be a major bottleneck for your hexacore 1090t. I suggest something from the 890 series of chipsets. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to amd motherboards...There is a 890 series called Fuzion that is compatible with both radeon and Nvidea cards. Not a bad board either. Do some research before posting bro.
Kyden Gallente PWNT-Inc.	Posted - 2011.05.09 00:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Igualmentedos I Decided on a build after stalking around newegg for an hour: DVD drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 HDD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148697 MoBo .http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138318 GPU http://wwwnct.aspxewegg.com/Product/Produ?Item=N82E16814121390 PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018 RAM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314 CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103849 Thanks for the patience and help. sorry to tell you this, but that Nvideo 460 isn't compatible with the mobo you picked out.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.09 01:25:00 - [16] Edited by: Akita T on 09/05/2011 01:27:53 Originally by: Kyden sorry to tell you this, but that Nvideo 460 isn't compatible with the mobo you picked out. If he sticks to a single video card, any type will work just fine, including a NVIDIA GTX 460, 470 or 560. Only if he wants two NVIDIA cards working together (and therefore would need a SLI-capable motherboard) will he have any problems with that particular motherboard (which is only listed as supporting Crossfire, not SLI). _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Igualmentedos Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.09 04:19:00 - [17] Well, I think I'm going to stick with the last build I posted since it seems to fit all of my needs without costing too much. Thanks for the help and input guys I really appreciate it.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.05.09 17:39:00 - [18] Any gaming PC without an SSD is a fail gaming PC in my opinion. Yeah, they're expensive. But trust me, they are worth EVERY PENNY.
Vogue Short Bus Pole Dancers	Posted - 2011.05.09 17:44:00 - [19] I have an 80GB SSD for OS, main apps and just two games - EVE and Supreme Commander Forged Alliance. My Steam directory is 135GB. I don't mind that some games take a short time to load on a regular HD. I suppose having the OS on a SSD can eliminate in game lag farts. .................................................. Fortress Of Solitude
Igualmentedos Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.09 17:58:00 - [20] Doesn't a slow HDD hurt the load times of games and that's all? I mean if that's the case I can wait an extra couple seconds, I'll be okay.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.09 23:42:00 - [21] Originally by: Jada Maroo Any gaming PC without an SSD is a fail gaming PC in my opinion. Yeah, they're expensive. But trust me, they are worth EVERY PENNY. To do what exactly ? Lower the load time of a new level from several seconds to a slightly lower amount of seconds ? Or for some dynamically loaded textures to show up in higher resolutions ever so slightly sooner ? That is, if you even have the game installed on the SSD, as opposed to just the OS (in which case, you either spent a truckload of cash for a larger SSD, or you only have a handful of games installed). And you most likely won't have the swap file on it either, unless you really, really want to have to buy a new one much sooner than initially feared. So remind me, how exactly is a SSD "worth every penny" ? And how exactly a gaming PC without one is so "fail" ? _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Jenko Raa	Posted - 2011.05.23 12:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Jada Maroo Any gaming PC without an SSD is a fail gaming PC in my opinion. Yeah, they're expensive. But trust me, they are worth EVERY PENNY. Wow, the ignorance is strong with this one.

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