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Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
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Posted - 2011.05.08 23:23:00 -
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The base speed of the Mach is 161 m/s
Therefore, the MWDII speed of the Mach is 161 x 5.50 = 885.5 m/s
The base speed of the Panther is 146 x 1.25 (assuming black ops skill is 5) = 182.5 m/s
Therefore, the MWDII speed of the Panther should be 182.5 x 5.50 = 1003.75 m/s
But EFT calculates the MWDII speed of the Panther = 146 x 5.50 = 803 m/s
How can EFT be right? If all black ops bonuses worked only when cloaked, the Widow would never be able to use its ECM bonus. I presume EFT has a bug?
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Fleta Amphala
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Posted - 2011.05.08 23:39:00 -
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Posting in a thread about black-ops.
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Sonya Kranz
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Posted - 2011.05.08 23:41:00 -
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its very simple, the machariel is has alot less mass so the MWD affects them more then it does on a panther.
Aside from that though, the cloaked velocity bonus only works when cloaked, just like stated
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.05.08 23:42:00 -
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You forgot to include the mass/thrust ratio in your calculation. Look up the rules for propulsion modules again. The Machariel's lower mass makes propulsion modules much more effective.
Seriously, all the angel ships have ludicrously low mass, and it's killing game balance. Fix it already...
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Adacia Calla
Minmatar
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
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Posted - 2011.05.08 23:48:00 -
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Mach is 50.000.000kg less.
That's why it's all around amazing, and almost the sole reason I fly one. I get yelled at by our Basilisk pilots constantly because they want to orbit me during WH Ops, and I'm the one orbitting them :D
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.05.09 00:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Sonya Kranz
its very simple, the machariel is has alot less mass so the MWD affects them more then it does on a panther.
Aside from that though, the cloaked velocity bonus only works when cloaked, just like stated
Terrible attempt at a troll, maybe if you had a clue you'd know that the panther has a cloaked velocity bonus and a std ship velocity bonus...
@ OP
As stated already, the panther is a big fat lardass of a ship, around 45% heavier than a tempest and 57% heavier than a mach.
You don't 'feel' the weight so much in game because it has a v nice inertia modifier, so it still turns and accelerates like a regular BS. Of course it simply will not do the straight line speeds you want it to...
...oh wait
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Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
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Posted - 2011.05.09 11:46:00 -
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Thank you all very much for your answers. 
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Sonya Kranz
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Posted - 2011.05.09 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Originally by: Sonya Kranz
its very simple, the machariel is has alot less mass so the MWD affects them more then it does on a panther.
Aside from that though, the cloaked velocity bonus only works when cloaked, just like stated
Terrible attempt at a troll, maybe if you had a clue you'd know that the panther has a cloaked velocity bonus and a std ship velocity bonus...
you sir need to get off your high horse and use your brain.
Where did i state that the ship has one or two bonusses? right i didnt.
i merely stated that the cloaky bonus only works when cloaked obviously, just like the op wondered. has absolutely nothing to do with the second velocity bonus.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.05.09 15:20:00 -
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Never flew the ship, but I got a 1304 m/s with 100mn mwd II for Panther in EFT.
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.05.09 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr
You forgot to include the mass/thrust ratio in your calculation. Look up the rules for propulsion modules again. The Machariel's lower mass makes propulsion modules much more effective.
Seriously, all the angel ships have ludicrously low mass, and it's killing game balance. Fix it already...
yeah,
why can't everything just be a drake. then we'll have a fair game.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
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Posted - 2011.05.09 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
As stated already, the panther is a big fat lardass of a ship, around 45% heavier than a tempest and 57% heavier than a mach.
You don't 'feel' the weight so much in game because it has a v nice inertia modifier, so it still turns and accelerates like a regular BS.
The Panther aligns in under 6 seconds, which is more like a cruiser and way better than the Typhoon. In fact, I am pretty sure it aligns faster than the Machariel. It definitely does so under cloak.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.05.09 19:13:00 -
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More to the point, why would you actually fly a Panther
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Adacia Calla
Minmatar
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
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Posted - 2011.05.09 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bumblefck
More to the point, why would you actually fly a Panther
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Fibby Sunhawk
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.05.09 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Bumblefck
More to the point, why would you actually fly a Panther
Mass and speed is an excellent combo for giving those station huging carriers nightmares 
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2011.05.09 21:09:00 -
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for bumping where the ship is off station already b ut has a scram, the panthers 4km/s stealth bump works a treat.
thats about the most specific situation i would use a panther over any other ship, unless i needed the portal or jump drive
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